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[Fellow Traveler]

WARCOCK, on 29 May 2015 - 08:27 AM, said:

Sounds like a challenge to me, any takers? If not, then it's you and me Zvolimir next on the dueling field, I'll stand proxy for 4TCR and continue defending their honor.

The Mecho insecurity is strong with this one. I would have faith(lol) that they don't need you protecting them they have some highly skilled and fantastic players in which I'd bet my life would never cheat but if you need to prove your mech bone is bigger than anyone else's please contact Kulu at the department of ****'s given. Hey Kulu I threw you under the bus remember to tuck and roll

[WARCRACK]

My offer still stands if you want to come out and play.

[Fellow Traveler]

WARCOCK, on 29 May 2015 - 09:29 AM, said:

My offer still stands if you want to come out and play.

The only good thing I can say about you is at least you don't have to cheat to feel like a tough mechwarrior.....I wonder where you were when our honor was attacked? No where to be found and why because we aren't like you? We all fought for Liao and we all fought to kill the davrat scum but only when your cheating friend gets called out do you climb out of your hole to be a knight in rusty armor your sense of honor is based in hypocrisy. We have never had a player cheat we have never hooped from Liao.....if anything our unit is the only unit in Liao that can claim to be a true loyalists.....what's the difference between us and you.....we don't care if you like us or like what we do or how we do it....so keep being a big strong mechwarrior and maybe with a paid cheat program you can win that challenge you keep throwing

[ShinVector]

Sounds like an accusation.

[Zvolimir the Blackhand]

Easy lads.

I know this has been emotional for those of you invested in our community.

We must remember our Stoic Discipline and remember why we are under isolation protocol.

[Fellow Traveler]

I want nothing more than for HLGK, 4TCR and all other Liao units to come back to peace. Now we don't have to tolerate her disdain for our ways I feel now is a time to mend wounds, old and new. I don't hate anyone in Liao....well anymore but that isn't the point we all need to kick the davrats teeth and then assist on the clan front so how about it can't we arrange a sit down between all the major leaders and come to a peace again?

[ArchangelKenko]

Agreed. This should be an opportunity for us to become a United at the house again

[Fellow Traveler]

Or we can keep hating each other until the dav scum wipe us off the map the choice is yours. We Gatekeepers have the stomach to watch everything we love burn, hell that is why most of us became keepers after all.....the 4th secession war took most of our dreams and goals and gave a us a new purpose and that is not only to defend what is left of our home but to also leave a path of scorched earth on are way to New Avalon. The balls in your guys court

[Vandril]

Zvolimir the Blackhand, on 29 May 2015 - 09:11 AM, said:

Well said. No one was bagging on the unit.


As I said, no one was bagging on the unit. 4TCR knows the score here, at least their remaining leadership does. The problem that we had was with one very vocal player who was removed. Don't misconstrue any of this because you don't have the background.

Jochi Kondur, on 27 May 2015 - 04:52 PM, said:

Why not? Where were those good people when she trolled against a Liao loyalist unit? 将听吾计，用之必胜，留之。将不听吾计，用之必败，去之 - but if unit leaders do not remove such a member themselves maybe PGI will!

Edited - I stand corrected, the unit the said person came from is merely a merc company in long employment under the great House Liao under the current MWO timeline.

TGCid, on 29 May 2015 - 09:40 AM, said:

The only good thing I can say about you is at least you don't have to cheat to feel like a tough mechwarrior.....I wonder where you were when our honor was attacked? No where to be found and why because we aren't like you? We all fought for Liao and we all fought to kill the davrat scum but only when your cheating friend gets called out do you climb out of your hole to be a knight in rusty armor your sense of honor is based in hypocrisy. We have never had a player cheat we have never hooped from Liao.....if anything our unit is the only unit in Liao that can claim to be a true loyalists.....what's the difference between us and you.....we don't care if you like us or like what we do or how we do it....so keep being a big strong mechwarrior and maybe with a paid cheat program you can win that challenge you keep throwing

No one was bagging on 4TCR? TGCid, please take a step back.

And 4TCR has always been and will always be Liao. We may have members that go off and come back, but as a unit we are true to Liao. Stuff the "We're the only Liao Loyalists". The passive aggressive superiority is sickening.

Yes, Faith rubbed you guys raw. That was her, and that is how she tried to get people realize they weren't playing to their full potential. Unlike HLGK, we are a group of individuals and respect the differing opinions even within our own ranks and their rights to express them. Creative tension is necessary, and that requires a dialogue and real discourse. I am not saying HLGK is bereft of such dialogue, but we both have different means of getting there. Rage is her flaw, sorry if that bothers you.

There were a lot of good qualities she did demonstrate and great times over the past few years. So yeah, people are going to defend her for those things, even if she did something so incredibly stupid. Warcock is one of those people she did help, so lay off accusing him of needing to cheat. A real person can admit defeat, much like Warcock did. He also has the backbone to get back in the ring. Chill.

People are not all good or all bad, generally speaking. So don't try and attribute the qualities and actions of a despot to someone you didn't like. Cheating at a video game is not beating your spouse, child abuse or any other type of massive wrong in the world. Yes it's bad, but enough.

Yes Faith was banned.

Not only was cheating dumb, it was completely unnecessary.

That situation is even more convoluted than you can guess at. No I will not go further into it. The unit does not cheat, and we were unaware of the situation. I cannot express the disappointment, rage, and sadness at this entire thing as 4TCR has been railing against cheaters for a long time now. While there are those people who will say "Great she's gone", we have to look at a friend that betrayed our trust in them.

May PGI continue their dragnet and get these other ******** we know are still using cheats.

Edited by Vandril, 29 May 2015 - 11:39 AM.

[Fellow Traveler]

So name one current Gatekeeper that has been banned for cheating or has left our great house.....you can't because we refuse to be bullied into changing our ideals in order to keep people who don't wish to play the game we do.....we lost many great pilots over our ideals and the direction of our command staff. I have much love and respect for several members of your unit as for warcock? The tcaf member that left Liao.....he isn't a example of Liao loyalist and 4TCR all in all express many traits that make a Liao loyalist unit how ever a rock and roll tour around the inner sphere doesn't back up being a truly pure Liao loyalist....we weren't just rubbed raw by faith we were rubbed raw by the greater Liao community allowing her to talk down to us about how we suck....I love sucking at this game I love losing it makes me happy because win or lose it's our skill that makes us mechwarriors. Ask Blackhawks,Gunshow and syndrome stoned and they will say that I have nothing but respect for them and their skill as for Orkdung if he just would of asked her to back off alittle no bad blood would ever been made. I will accept my punishment for breaking the stoic policy we here have adopted and I ask that you see we aren't in the wrong and allow all of us in the greater Liao community to come back together

[_____]

Thanks for the mention Cid!

Also guys, everyone just needs to chill. Take your aggro to the Davion boards where there's more entertainment to be had. Plenty of Davs on that list too.

Edited by BlackhawkSC, 29 May 2015 - 12:03 PM.

[Zvolimir the Blackhand]

Vandril, on 29 May 2015 - 11:33 AM, said:

No one was bagging on 4TCR? TGCid, please take a step back.

I'm trying to reign in the hatery, but to that end let's put a cork on the haterade all around.

Vandril, on 29 May 2015 - 11:33 AM, said:

And 4TCR has always been and will always be Liao. We may have members that go off and come back, but as a unit we are true to Liao. Stuff the "We're the only Liao Loyalists". The passive aggressive superiority is sickening.

We didn't start the fire.

Vandril, on 29 May 2015 - 11:33 AM, said:

Yes, Faith rubbed you guys raw. That was her, and that is how she tried to get people realize they weren't playing to their full potential.

Hypocrisy much?

Vandril, on 29 May 2015 - 11:33 AM, said:

Unlike HLGK, we are a group of individuals and respect the differing opinions even within our own ranks and their rights to express them. Creative tension is necessary, and that requires a dialogue and real discourse. I am not saying HLGK is bereft of such dialogue, but we both have different means of getting there. Rage is her flaw, sorry if that bothers you.

I don't think you know much about our internal workings, except as expressed by an ex-member who could never make himself present enough to take part.

Vandril, on 29 May 2015 - 11:33 AM, said:

There were a lot of good qualities she did demonstrate and great times over the past few years.

We never got to see this, despite attempting to work many times with the other Liao units. Talk to your leadership about this.

Vandril, on 29 May 2015 - 11:33 AM, said:

That situation is even more convoluted than you can guess at. No I will not go further into it. The unit does not cheat, and we were unaware of the situation. I cannot express the disappointment, rage, and sadness at this entire thing as 4TCR has been railing against cheaters for a long time now. While there are those people who will say "Great she's gone", we have to look at a friend that betrayed our trust in them.

May PGI continue their dragnet and get these other ******** we know are still using cheats.

I can only imagine, and am sorry for your loss.

You have to expect some backlash from all this, however...and although I caution Gatekeepers to excercise discipline and refrain from giving in to your surprise and vindication, I also invite you to examine the record for yourself. Talk to your commanders about how many of Faith's posts attacked us and were deleted either by PGI or herself in an effort to clean up said record.

HLGK is a different beast than what I think a lot of you imagine, and I invite you to Purvo this evening at 00:00 PVST if you want an open, real time dialogue. Just come and hang out and see what it's about.

Or not. However, one thing you can't say is that HLGK has been the dividing factor in the splintered Liao community. I invite the other unit commanders to pitch in on this.

Edited by Zvolimir the Blackhand, 29 May 2015 - 02:32 PM.

[Stoneblade]

I only recognized Redjack3 (SP?) Were there others?

...Think I'll go to the non-local Arby's and have a sit and listen....

[_____]

Stoneblade, on 29 May 2015 - 12:45 PM, said:

I only recognized Redjack3 (SP?) Were there others?

...Think I'll go to the non-local Arby's and have a sit and listen....

That and...
Keith Youngblood, also of 66AH I think?
randomr24 also was Dav at some point https://www.youtube....gMHVZU9O4#t=138

Probably more but here ya go

[WARCRACK]

Got to hand it to you TGCid, you really know how to show us a roleplayer blowing things way out of proportions. But I can dig the trashtalk, it just fires me up Love it! But that much aside, I think the only person so far that has earned the right to talk **** really is Jochin, he gets props. Heck, win or lose at least he put his mechs on the line. You still have to earn it.

TGCid, on 29 May 2015 - 09:40 AM, said:

only when your cheating friend gets called out do you climb out of your hole to be a knight in rusty armor your sense of honor is based in hypocrisy.

Simply put, Faith was my friend as are many members of 4TCR. I'll put my name and mechs on the line any day to stand up for my friends. I'm sorry if you weren't feeling the Liao community love when getting "attacked," but you want that love you got to earn it son, and frankly you haven't earned it.

True Liao? Give me a break.. You've been playing this game for how long (your profile says since January 2015)? I've been gaming MWO on team Liao since 2012. Memory serves me right, TCAF had the Dav team on the run throughout much of CW Beta-1, we were taking planets from them while you were .... hmm, where exactly were you? I'll let players who have been playing MWO longer than than me rag on me about being "true Liao" long before I ever care what you have to say on the subject. Again, you just simply haven't earned that right.

Edited by WARCOCK, 29 May 2015 - 02:03 PM.

[Zvolimir the Blackhand]

WARCOCK, on 29 May 2015 - 01:58 PM, said:

*SNIP*...frankly you haven't earned it.

True Liao? Give me a break.. You've been playing this game for how long (your profile says since January 2015)? I've been gaming MWO on team Liao since 2012. Memory serves me right, TCAF had the Dav team on the run throughout much of CW Beta-1, we were taking planets from them while you were .... hmm, where exactly were you? I'll let players who have been playing MWO longer than than me rag on me about being "true Liao" long before I ever care what you have to say on the subject. Again, you just simply haven't earned that right.

See, this is where I'm going to object.

You seem to imply that as a unit we "haven't earned it"? Earned what exactly?

We've been here since WAY before the CW. Where was 4TCR when there were no Liao? Sir...HLGK was a unit long before there were units in the game. Not only that, there have been no breaks in our service.

BTW, we were on the Clan Front as part of the nSL, and we were defending TCAF worlds during the NA time slot...just not enough tags to beat the 180 they could plant each night. They still needed defending, but we got no props for those worlds defended or the ones we took ourselves.

So, no...you don't get to say this sort of thing to us here.

There will be no more trash talking.

Edited by Zvolimir the Blackhand, 29 May 2015 - 02:10 PM.

[Fellow Traveler]

WARCOCK, on 29 May 2015 - 01:58 PM, said:

Got to hand it to you TGCid, you really know how to show us a roleplayer blowing things way out of proportions. But I can dig the trashtalk, it just fires me up Love it! But that much aside, I think the only person so far that has earned the right to talk **** really is Jochin, he gets props. Heck, win or lose at least he put his mechs on the line. You still have to earn it.



Simply put, Faith was my friend as are many members of 4TCR. I'll put my name and mechs on the line any day to stand up for my friends. I'm sorry if you weren't feeling the Liao community love when getting "attacked," but you want that love you got to earn it son, and frankly you haven't earned it.

True Liao? Give me a break.. You've been playing this game for how long (your profile says since January 2015)? I've been gaming MWO on team Liao since 2012. Memory serves me right, TCAF had the Dav team on the run throughout much of CW Beta-1, we were taking planets from them while you were .... hmm, where exactly were you? I'll let players who have been playing MWO longer than than me rag on me about being "true Liao" long before I ever care what you have to say on the subject. Again, you just simply haven't earned that right.

*redacted*

Edited by TGCid, 29 May 2015 - 02:14 PM.

[WARCRACK]

You know what Zvolimir, I'm a pretty reasonable person and I'll say that you're right I did totally forget about that nSL clan front you guys tried to open up. Heck, I even applaud you for your efforts on that, truly, I know that organizing things isn't easy. No sarcasm.

But was a new clan front what the Liao community really needed at the time? Anyways, water underneath the bridge. I know we all had different opinions on that, with some even stronger than others.

[Gorgo7]

Gorgo7, on 28 May 2015 - 07:22 PM, said:

Careful Stone.

Stone, my sincere apologies.

The comment was not in defense of the cheating S#ut, W4o7e, Cu2t that was rightfully banned by MWO in a fit of righteousness that took way too long to be implemented (in my opinion).
It was the hurtful statements made by you about our unit, which you have played with in the past, in the spirit of brotherly love.
I am shocked that you would say such things.
We have never been cruel to you or talked down HLGK.
Indeed, we have welcomed you.
Why? Because you are our brother...
Faith be damned!
What hurts us the most, is the loss and betrayal of ACE.
Christ.
Our XO. 20 pieces of silver.
Christ.

All you can do is crow about a girl that beat you on the forums.
You know nothing.
Fool.

[ArchangelKenko]

Gorgo7, on 29 May 2015 - 02:41 PM, said:

Stone, my sincere apologies.

The comment was not in defense of the cheating S#ut, W4o7e, Cu2t that was rightfully banned by MWO in a fit of righteousness that took way too long to be implemented (in my opinion).
It was the hurtful statements made by you about our unit, which you have played with in the past, in the spirit of brotherly love.
I am shocked that you would say such things.
We have never been cruel to you or talked down HLGK.
Indeed, we have welcomed you.
Why? Because you are our brother...
Faith be damned!
What hurts us the most, is the loss and betrayal of ACE.
Christ.
Our XO. 20 pieces of silver.
Christ.

All you can do is crow about a girl that beat you on the forums.
You know nothing.
Fool.

I keep saying we need to just move on from all of this. S*** happend feelings were hurt, but we have a final chance for solidarity. I think we should take it, rather than move forward with the acrimony.