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[DaisuSaikoro Nagasawa]

Hail,

I've noticed a bunch of rank 20 pilots running around recently. I thankfully got to the rank myself and while I still want to engage and enjoy CW I've noticed that at the end of the game I feel empty. There just isn't any use to having loyalty points anymore.

My unit is sticking in a specific space and I have been wondering if there have been thoughts to extend the loyalty awards beyond the rank 20 (perhaps there could be a Khan and Ilkhan level or some such) or is there a way to maybe get a reset so that we can run the ranks all over again? Maybe a way to store up loyalty points to be used with a different faction later? Just thinking out loud.

Anyone else with thoughts? With perm contracts being 50% loyalty boost and the 5% we're getting in a few days people are going to get to those rank 20s quickly.

Thoughts?

[Monkey Lover]

Sounds like a great idea.

I would like to be able to do something with the billion mech xp i have too after maxing out.

Sell it cbills or something?

Edited by Monkey Lover, 08 June 2015 - 07:17 PM.

[Naduk]

Resetting rank in a prestige style system could be nice thing to have for a permanent faction player
However the rewards would need to change on the next run through, currently there is no reason to not swap team at max rank, cbills,mechbays,xp,gxp,mc and other rewards wont be/cant be taken from you when you change team

Items for a prestige layer rewards system could be
things like faction skin tokens that let you apply faction skin to a mech you own for free

Elite faction skins, same as above but more fancy and only available via the reward system
Death horns ? Opposite to a war horn, play some sort of sound or animation? When you die, also permanent faction only
Faction icon or banner upgrades

Special geometry to apply to the outside of a mech to show your uber loyalty (like golden dragons for kurita lords)

Weapon visual tweaks, green liao arty smoke?, blue Steiner gauss sparks

All manner of things to show you support X guys

But the most important part of all
Is that it all gets taken away the second you break contract
If you rejoin them later even under permanent pretense then you must start from scratch because your a dirty traitor and must prove your self twice over

[Chagatay]

Roll another clan faction. It is what I and several others have done. Rinse and repeat. I am sure they will add >r20 rewards at some point but until then you might as well go fishing for more stuff.

[Sagamore]

In an awesome little game called Altitude, players can "Ace Up" by resetting their rank once achieving the highest level. When you reach the highest rank again you are Ace 1 or whatever. I believe you could do this 10 times. I saw very few players at this level (if any) but you knew they were badass. However in Altitude you lost all of your unlocked perks and had to grind them again. The same concept wouldn't really work (or at least would be frowned upon) in this game.

Edit: grammar is hard

Edited by Sagamore, 08 June 2015 - 08:56 PM.

[Mordin Ashe]

Congratz Daisu, always believed in you :-)

Rank 20 has been the end of the journey since CW was released. What you recieved is all you can get. If you are after rewards then turning to different faction makes the most sence. Sadly since you are rank 20 at (I suspect) CJF your best chance is switching to CW (second best Clan right now) and that will be an unplesant change. Taking IS faction banner could be the way but only to an extent. All in all it is a bad situation to be in if you expect more rewards.

If you don't care about rewards then there is your answer - just keep playing for CJF. They are a great bunch of players and gaming environment is very solid.

We can hope for more rewards and/or more meaning for rank20 players but nothing changed in the past 6 months, I don't believe anything will change in the future. Most players will never reach rank20 so it makes little sence for PGI to dedicate some extra effort into it.

[Hades Trooper]

Don't take permanent contracts?

[BSK]

Congrats Daisu!
After the Battle of Tukayyid we used the map reset to have a look around. Although myself being 50.000 loyality points short of level 20, I didn't want to pay 120.000.000 cbills for breaking a permanent contract for our unit ever. Now we roam the factions to gain the mechbays for level 2 and 6 on weeklong contracts, maybe even another one on level 10 with 500 mc. Altogether thats 30 mechbays and 5000 mc for every member who plays regularly. We lost 3 members after the switch who never wanted to play IS in cw. I have seen each one of them only twice in cw so no one cared.
Maybe this is anoption for you. And you switch back to JF when you are on holiday or train new recruits. You could even temporarily leave your unit to see how it is to fight against your unit.
Anyway, you know where you find me to talk about plans or whatever ..

[Sjorpha]

Why not a "loyalty store", where you could buy special faction related things for loyalty points? Decals, cockpit items, perhaps unlock a faction specific skill/bonus/module. Lots of possibilities there.

Mech XP shares this problem, there needs to be something to do with them after mastering. My solution would be to have consumables (and perhaps modules as well) be mech specific and cost mech XP instead of cbills.

I also think loyalty points should be for loyalists only, and that mercs should have their own reward system, call it "reknown" or something, because this hopping around to farm loyalty bonuses for all the factions is beyond ridiculous.

Edited by Sjorpha, 09 June 2015 - 05:31 AM.

[Dolph Hoskins]

Sjorpha, on 09 June 2015 - 05:26 AM, said:

Why not a "loyalty store", where you could buy special faction related things for loyalty points? Decals, cockpit items, perhaps unlock a faction specific skill/bonus/module. Lots of possibilities there.

Mech XP shares this problem, there needs to be something to do with them after mastering. My solution would be to have consumables (and perhaps modules as well) be mech specific and cost mech XP instead of cbills.

I also think loyalty points should be for loyalists only, and that mercs should have their own reward system, call it "reknown" or something, because this hopping around to farm loyalty bonuses for all the factions is beyond ridiculous.

Friggin awesome idea. I'm no where near lv 20 myself but the loyalty store concept offers a lot of possibilities and give some incentive to keep going.

[Violent Nick]

If PGI thought things through they would maybe add MC discounts for mechs or money off packs plus other goodies. Heyho..

[Revis Volek]

Monkey Lover, on 08 June 2015 - 07:16 PM, said:

Sounds like a great idea.

I would like to be able to do something with the billion mech xp i have too after maxing out.

Sell it cbills or something?

You can exchange it and use it as GXP or XP on another mech. But NO WAY do i agree they should be able to be exchanged for cbills....

Not to mention if the exchange is 1:1 its not even worth it. Why not just wait for new modules to come out or something and a double exchange weekend.

[rolly]

This would be actual further content (sadly I'm not holding my breath)

But I think its a wonderful idea.

For the end game you really should be a full house/faction/clan unit and be given perks.

Ie.
-Once a month - a set of consumables to use (non prem)
-50% off repairs and rearm
-50%-75% off of faction specific swag
-50% off all faction colours permanently
-First use of Unit logo (when /IF implemented)
-Preferred drop location in CW
-Priority over-ridge for taking command of the company during CW
-Excess loyalty points can be converted to unit resource points to buy swag and faction specific equipment from a end-game user only store/supply shop?
-etc.


Basically all the perks a house/clan unit would have whether it be elite, fanatical loyalty or a line regiment. You get the best equipment, regular supplies, Might as well reward those loyal players who spent enough time suckage getting this far into a flat non progressive game system.

Edited by rolly, 09 June 2015 - 07:47 AM.

[Monkey Lover]

DarthRevis, on 09 June 2015 - 07:37 AM, said:

You can exchange it and use it as GXP or XP on another mech. But NO WAY do i agree they should be able to be exchanged for cbills....

Not to mention if the exchange is 1:1 its not even worth it. Why not just wait for new modules to come out or something and a double exchange weekend.

No way but you give no reason? Xp to cbills can be any ratio even 1000 to 1.

Edited by Monkey Lover, 09 June 2015 - 07:50 AM.

[rolly]

Monkey Lover, on 09 June 2015 - 07:49 AM, said:

No way but you give no reason? Xp to cbills can be any ratio even 1000 to 1.

or.... gasp it could be a floating ratio based on demand! But that would lead the way to an actual economy. (Which I'd love, something similar to STO or free form market like EVE - Pipe dream, promised but likely never to happen any time soon)

[DaisuSaikoro Nagasawa]

Chagatay, on 08 June 2015 - 08:55 PM, said:

Roll another clan faction. It is what I and several others have done. Rinse and repeat. I am sure they will add >r20 rewards at some point but until then you might as well go fishing for more stuff.

I've thought about that but it's a unit thing. I'm Clan Diamond Shark and have been for the past 14 years. The idea of taking a vacation is nice and might even give our new Khan some room to work without me being around... though who to go to?

CW? CGB? CSJ? No one quite has members like CJF does... which is nice, I like a challenge.

[DaisuSaikoro Nagasawa]

DarthRevis, on 09 June 2015 - 07:37 AM, said:

You can exchange it and use it as GXP or XP on another mech. But NO WAY do i agree they should be able to be exchanged for cbills....

Not to mention if the exchange is 1:1 its not even worth it. Why not just wait for new modules to come out or something and a double exchange weekend.

I have more than a million extra XP on some of my mechs and hundreds of thousands of

BSK, on 09 June 2015 - 04:49 AM, said:

Congrats Daisu!
After the Battle of Tukayyid we used the map reset to have a look around. Although myself being 50.000 loyality points short of level 20, I didn't want to pay 120.000.000 cbills for breaking a permanent contract for our unit ever. Now we roam the factions to gain the mechbays for level 2 and 6 on weeklong contracts, maybe even another one on level 10 with 500 mc. Altogether thats 30 mechbays and 5000 mc for every member who plays regularly. We lost 3 members after the switch who never wanted to play IS in cw. I have seen each one of them only twice in cw so no one cared.
Maybe this is anoption for you. And you switch back to JF when you are on holiday or train new recruits. You could even temporarily leave your unit to see how it is to fight against your unit.
Anyway, you know where you find me to talk about plans or whatever ..

Thanks for the perspective BSK. It pains me to see you fighting for the IS, mind you. And yeah, I'd only do that in the clans (until they drop Clan Diamond Shark into game).

I agree. It takes a long time to get 120k. We don't know what it's going to be used for (if ever though PGI has gotten around to things like the command console thing (heh) but it takes a long time to build it up. A long time.

[DaisuSaikoro Nagasawa]

Mordin Ashe, on 08 June 2015 - 10:46 PM, said:

Congratz Daisu, always believed in you :-)

Rank 20 has been the end of the journey since CW was released. What you recieved is all you can get. If you are after rewards then turning to different faction makes the most sence. Sadly since you are rank 20 at (I suspect) CJF your best chance is switching to CW (second best Clan right now) and that will be an unplesant change. Taking IS faction banner could be the way but only to an extent. All in all it is a bad situation to be in if you expect more rewards.

If you don't care about rewards then there is your answer - just keep playing for CJF. They are a great bunch of players and gaming environment is very solid.

We can hope for more rewards and/or more meaning for rank20 players but nothing changed in the past 6 months, I don't believe anything will change in the future. Most players will never reach rank20 so it makes little sence for PGI to dedicate some extra effort into it.

Hail MA,

Good to see you still out and about and thank you. Congrats on reaching Rank 20.

Great points as well. It really isn't about rewards though I have realized after a few games you look at that flash where you get loyalty points and it just feels like what's the worth. To win planets I'd have to be on a major grind and the planets don't mean anything (DS holds 5 and while it's a great honour ... what does it mean?) and we are all aware that the movement into IS territory can be negated at another moments notice if they have another big end game battle for terra.

Reflecting on this game that I love I realize I give a lot of leeway (it's mechwarrior after all) and I LOVE some of the ideas presented here (I hope someone at PGI pays attention (though it seems twitter and reddit get more attention these days). There really is so much more that I hope PGI does with this game. I know there are planetary leagues up and coming (NBT) and hopefully those will have more complete experiences.

Thanks for your input.

[DaisuSaikoro Nagasawa]

Hades Trooper, on 09 June 2015 - 04:34 AM, said:

Don't take permanent contracts?

Khan's decision. I like options but understand the benefit (of other members in the unit) for long term contracts.

I also think about newer members a lot (who may not have money) and thought about switching around to get those early cbill/mechbay/mc rewards but such a system is really for newer users which my unit is moving away from.

[Av4tar]

I would vote for trading leftover LPs for special items.
Like none buyable mechs variants, mech bays or other stuffs like experiental heavy gauss etc.