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[oldradagast]

Kristov Kerensky, on 08 June 2015 - 05:03 PM, said:

Scale is wrong in MWO, that's a fact, but that's because most Mechs ARE APPROXIMATELY THE SAME HEIGHT! Lights aren't half the height of Assaults. Height does NOT equal mass, people need to get that through their heads and realize PGI mucked the scale of Mechs all to hell and back.

You do realize that the sizes were made for a table-top game, right? If a Locust was about as big as an Atlas - like I sometimes here Purists whine it should be - it would be less than useless. Same with all lighter mechs - only a few Heavies and Assaults would be remotely playable in such a world.

Why? Because we can actually AIM in this game. They could have said that the Locust was a mile tall in table-top, and who cares? You're still rolling the same dice to try to hit it, and the hit modifies are not in any way affected by the mech's supposed size. But in a game that involves actual aiming, the lighter, fragiler mechs had dang well better be a lot smaller if you expect anyone to use them.

[Rampancy]

Almond Brown, on 08 June 2015 - 10:46 AM, said:

All Mechs, based on direct tonnage, should be identical in all ways. That will cut down on the whines. Until every Mech that weighs the same as every Mech of the same weight are made equal, there will be whines.

My Awesome(s) weeps in the 80t "Assault" category so get in line... ;(

L2Awesome

[cSand]

Xetelian, on 08 June 2015 - 05:38 PM, said:

They both need amazing quirks pilots, but they keep skipping by my favorites for these clan mechs.

ftfy

that's not even true, they just need half decent pilots




Neither is bad. People just get spoiled on 1 click warrior chassis/builds, and can't handle anything else

they're not perfect but they aren't nearl as super-insane-o hard mode, or as broken, as people seem to think

Edited by cSand, 08 June 2015 - 07:34 PM.

[Kristov Kerensky]

oldradagast, on 08 June 2015 - 05:39 PM, said:

You do realize that the sizes were made for a table-top game, right? If a Locust was about as big as an Atlas - like I sometimes here Purists whine it should be - it would be less than useless. Same with all lighter mechs - only a few Heavies and Assaults would be remotely playable in such a world.

Why? Because we can actually AIM in this game. They could have said that the Locust was a mile tall in table-top, and who cares? You're still rolling the same dice to try to hit it, and the hit modifies are not in any way affected by the mech's supposed size. But in a game that involves actual aiming, the lighter, fragiler mechs had dang well better be a lot smaller if you expect anyone to use them.

Not so true, Lights in MW2 weren't scaled down, and people used them without the issues, and that was using straight TT armor and damage numbers, where 20 damage was enough to CT core a Light. I loved using a Firemoth, speed was life, and death if you weren't watching, hitting walls or boulders at 200kph was instant death.

Yeah, see, people don't want to actually have to TRY, that is the problem. MW2, Light pilots were nuts, but we had a blast and did just fine in our suicide rides against Marauder IICs, Warhammer IICs and Dire Wolves, because we had to BE better than they were, they could make a mistake and not die, we didn't have that option, mistakes WERE death. And it was fun.

But gamers today, you make it take skill and punish mistakes and they scream and cry about it not being FAIR! They want easy button games.

Go on, tell me I'm full of it, I'll point to the fact that this game is now much easier than it was in CB, armor has doubled because of the crying during CB. JJs are mostly useless on anything over 50 tons, PPCs and ERPPCs are slower than hell, Gauss has a charge, and people STILL whine about those weapons. Ghost heat....shall I continue with all the fun things that easy button whiners have brought to the game because skill isn't something they think should be required to play a video game?

Go find a copy of the original MW2, see how easy it was to play, and tell me why that game sold more copies than MW3/MW4/MechAssault/MA2 AND made more than MWO has to date, cause that game sure as hell wasn't easy and it did NOT treat crybabies well.

[CocoaJin]

TimePeriod, on 08 June 2015 - 09:44 AM, said:

Take the Quickdraw for an example. Its HUGE.
Its wider then then the Dire Wolf.
It takes REAR-CT damage from frontal shots.
4 laser hardpoints, 2 missile hardpoints. One hardpoint capped at 4 (WTF!?) tubes.

I could rave on and on about pilot error, incorrect loudout and so on but I won't, why?

Because there is 25 other 'Mechs which will do the Quickdraws job BETTER, without having to get Mastery, without having to get DHS, with less pilot skill and so on.

Please explain to me (for my brain has failed me) why has PGI allowed this kind of obscure nonsense to continue?!

Some of us like to RP, so we want to see our House's mechs regardless. Some of us like to mop the floor with guys with supposedly stupid-mechs.

Me, I like to mop up folks while role playing in supposed stupid Combine chassisies:
QUICKDRAW QKD-5K 88 62 24 2.58 164 31 5.29 42,725 107,505 12:40:53

That's a 2.58:1 win ration and 5.29:1 kill ratio in PuGs.

[DaZur]

CocoaJin, on 08 June 2015 - 08:35 PM, said:

Some of us like to RP, so we want to see our House's mechs regardless. Some of us like to mop the floor with guys with supposedly stupid-mechs.

Me, I like to mop up folks while role playing in supposed stupid Combine chassisies:
QUICKDRAW QKD-5K 88 62 24 2.58 164 31 5.29 42,725 107,505 12:40:53

That's a 2.58:1 win ration and 5.29:1 kill ratio in PuGs.

Slacker...

[PhoenixFire55]

Wait until the next phase of quirks. Then your Quickdraw will become OP and everyone will buy it. Then it will gradually become **** again because they need to sell another mechs.