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#21 Escef

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Posted 20 June 2015 - 04:28 AM

View PostNightshade24, on 20 June 2015 - 04:20 AM, said:

Fun fact: the clans are in this game.

If you haven't noticed the timberwolfs or couldron borns or anything...

And quote: "These 'Mechs are prized by the Clans when they were found. One such 'Mech was spotted in 3052 during the Battle of Tukayyid"


Correct, at this point there is a massive ONE confirmed Atlas II in the entire Inner Sphere. Maybe, just maybe, you could justify it as a Hero mech. As far as we know, that was the ONLY Atlas II to leave clanspace, and the Inner Sphere does not see any more until the WoB starts producing them after they capture the mechworks on Hesperus II.

But the problem here is the word "justify". That means you don't actually have a good reason to get what you want, but you're going to try to pull one out of your nether regions anyway.

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Posted 20 June 2015 - 04:15 PM

View PostEscef, on 20 June 2015 - 04:28 AM, said:


Correct, at this point there is a massive ONE confirmed Atlas II in the entire Inner Sphere. Maybe, just maybe, you could justify it as a Hero mech. As far as we know, that was the ONLY Atlas II to leave clanspace, and the Inner Sphere does not see any more until the WoB starts producing them after they capture the mechworks on Hesperus II.

But the problem here is the word "justify". That means you don't actually have a good reason to get what you want, but you're going to try to pull one out of your nether regions anyway.

Yes, and not a single Shadowcat J was seen until 3070's...

Also there was 0 confirmed sightings of Stalkers with Ballistics until 3064...
Also there was not a single King crab in battle durring the 3050's as most of them are greedily hogged and are in reserves... unlike the Clans use of the King Crab which saw battle durring 3051+ Especially clan ghost bear King Crabs who actually had more active king crabs then the Entire Inner sphere and half the clans... This is as popular as a mech for Ghost bear pilots as the Kodiak which is considered the most iconic Clan Ghost Bear mech.
And don't just say it's reserved for cadet training and second line duty... Generals and Star Commanders also were seen piloting these chassis: in some cases to the point it was famous for it. (much like how Aiden Pryde is famous for his Summoner and his final death in a timberwolf, or Natasha Kerensky in her Widowmaker Direwolf)

Also not a single Panther had a ballistic... "hero", "rare", or "standard".

Also there was no Double ballistic Enforcers present anywhere near the clan invasion...

There was also no Maulers with UAC's in this time period either.

There was no PPC+ Gauss victor in this time period either.

Oh and no atlas with XL 400's and medium pulse lasers to the count of 6 in the arms...



I'm sorry, but this is a mech that saw extensive Clan vs Clan fights outside and occasionally in the IS. (much like some of the mechs for clans we have in game, only saw contact against other clan forcers in 3050's).
It saw combat not only in the second lines and garrison units in 3050 but as well as in the front lines.
And it makes more sense to place a mech that FOUGHT in this time period that EXISTED instead of pulling variants / alt.configerations from 3070's / Jihad era or making up variants on the spot.


If you are telling me we are not allowed to have the atlas II in game because it is rare (cough cough king crab cough black knight cough), but you are telling me it's okay if I go put an atlas with 2 missiles in each arm, a E in the head and duel ballistics 1 on each torso because "if we are not allowed to use actual mechs in 3050, let's make up our own instead!" that would go well for you?

Or letting me take variants from the Jihad and only subsituting weapons in and out to make it 3050 friendly like having say a
Atlas AS8-D or I just go pull a PGI and say "AS8-D-P" and say stock it has a 1 medium laser in each arm, an LRM 20 in each torso, UAC 5, a ER large laser, 2 med lasers, and 2 small lasers on it?

Or just letting the AS7-S into the game because even though it's built around the 3070's it already has 3050 tech.

The problem here is that you keep using your own ego as your baseline factor in this debate and just keep on getting the same counter response repetitively thrown back at what should have been a normal constructive debate but instead it's more like a visit to the zoo with monkeys throwing unmentionable objects at the spectators.

I should have most likely not have stooped down to half way down to you're level, but It was rather difficult talking to you from that far away. Would be counterintuative if I just went on and mention how my ego is bigger then yours and that means my word is law, like some people here. But I would rather not grab a mirror and shine it your way for awhile.

Perhaps I got your ego mixed up with an extreme hate towards the Atlas, the SLDF, or the Clans. If a man hates one of those three so much to this degree I should suggest going outside or seeing a professional, because lossing 1 game in MW2: mercs to the clans is not a real reason to hate that faction so much, or something to exist at 100 tons.

I'll be here if you are ready for a propper debate. Until then I'll be waiting.

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Posted 20 June 2015 - 10:40 PM

TL; DR

Learn. Brevity.

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Posted 21 June 2015 - 12:31 AM

View PostNightshade24, on 20 June 2015 - 03:59 AM, said:

Yep, but the Atlas II was still used by the clans in 3050, as well as in the front lines such as in 3052 in the battle of tukayiid.

I for some reason find this mech rather intriguing... as for a mech so prized and loved by the clans... there is no clan refit of it thus far... only late-era mixed tech stuff from the IS. Makes me wounder if it's another missing-link mech that will be added later on or the clans were not that much bothered with it due to all the lostech / high tech stuff ...


Perhaps it's like the cameron star, where they wont use it until someone becomes ilKhan, that they also do not wish to modify it because it is of Kerensky and the Star League.
But.. it's an Atlas II, so I don't know if that theory holds any water.

View PostEscef, on 20 June 2015 - 10:40 PM, said:

TL; DR

Learn. Brevity.


TL;DR: he has a strong argument for adding the Atlass II, since lore wise it is less flimsy than some of the variants already in the game.

Edited by signal, 21 June 2015 - 01:19 AM.


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Posted 21 June 2015 - 01:59 AM

View Postsignal, on 21 June 2015 - 12:31 AM, said:

-snip-


Yes, however Kerenksy himself has his own how to say; "hero mech" (oh god if they add the atlas II that better be the hero variant!)

I found this guy awhile ago, it's a "hero" atlas, but it's Kerensky. That kinda doesn't fit the missing link of clan Atlas II to well as this is a one of a kind, hence why I think it'll be a cool hero.

It uses clan tech however it's just the counterparts from the original design.

19 x Clan DHS
Clan Ferro-Fibrous
ECM
(CT) BAP
Case automatically in the side torsos
1 x Clan LBX 10
1 x C LRM 20 + Artemis IV
2 x C SRM 6 + Artemis IV
2 x C Medium Pulse lasers
2 x C ER large lasers

Thinking about this... the Clans have many one-off refit designs durring 3050... my mind is kinda getting of topic here about IS mechs with Clan tech...

but there is the Atlas (C), and Centurion (C), which are IS mechs with some clan tech put on it to defend recently captured planets. Wounder if we'll ever be able to do that later on... have those kind of mechs running around. not sure if it's MC or C-bills though... maybe C-bills with a large GXP cost? Either way. I kinda doubt these things will get in game.
But I would like to see the normal Atlas II if added in game will have hardpoint inflation to match the hardpoints of kerensky atlas II. maybe without ecm...

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Posted 21 June 2015 - 03:52 AM

View Postsignal, on 21 June 2015 - 12:31 AM, said:

TL;DR: he has a strong argument for adding the Atlass II, since lore wise it is less flimsy than some of the variants already in the game.


Well, if his point is strong than he should learn to make it quickly. I'm not here to read his manifesto or his biography. Especially not when most of what I've already read him say on this matter is a damn temper tantrum and screaming, "I WANT!"





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