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[M4NTiC0R3X]

Clan Wolf & Widowmakers has always been my favorite

Oh and whoever posted the cartoon, thank you for giving me a much appreciated and well deserved break from the game this evening!

Edited by M4NTiC0R3X, 05 November 2012 - 05:05 PM.

[Solis Obscuri]

It's a toss-up between McEvedy and Amaris...

[IGuardianI]

I'm going to say I would go with Pryde. And also bring back CLAN JADE WOLF!!!!!!

[Syndicate501st]

Tseng. Legitimately beat every Ghost Bears Legacy Mission on hardest difficulty without failing once...dear god did I sweat some times.

[Oderint dum Metuant]

Grimwill, on 10 August 2012 - 06:05 PM, said:

I will fight anyone in snow raven or any other clan for the McKenna bloodname
I shall be Khan of snow raven as well!

Oh Hi there

[Homeless Bill]

Homeless Bill Von Jankmon just has a nice ring to it.

[EarlGrey83]

Rosse

For many clans have strengh, some have honor, only the Nova Cat has wisdom.

[Daneiel]

LeFabre - the only one i want .

[Zloj Mangoost]

Hazen

[Pariah Devalis]

Given I actually earned mine in Mech4... you know which one I want.

It may not be flashy. It might be a generic Nova Cat bloodname. However, it sure as hell beats the pants off of the 50,000 special snowflake Kerensky and Osis out there.

Edited by Pariah Devalis, 17 February 2013 - 02:21 PM.

[Erasus Magnus]

If i ever choose to play clans, i would either go with a blood spirit name like Church, Keller, Schmitt or Campbell (Keller and Schmitt being my favourite ones since they sound pretty german ) or Wolverine (Minnesota Tribe?) blood names (HERESY!!!!!!!!!!!!!) like Mann or Hennesy.

It`s the two Clans I can empathize the most with (and Clan Snow Raven to a lesser degree).

Edited by Erasus Magnus, 17 February 2013 - 02:51 PM.

[XphR]

Bloodnames are a mechanism to control and label the 'lesser man', lineage speaks nothing of ones capability. The sins and graces of blood are not to be passed on.

[Wales Grey]

XphR, on 17 February 2013 - 04:23 PM, said:

Bloodnames are a mechanism to control and label the 'lesser man', lineage speaks nothing of ones capability. The sins and graces of blood are not to be passed on.

Inbreeding emphasizes both strengths and deficiencies. The Bloodname system flies in the face of the ideals of a meritocracy. Only people who are members in a Bloodnamed House can be leaders of a Clan, regardless of talent, skill, or ability.

Edited by Wales Grey, 17 February 2013 - 07:12 PM.

[Pariah Devalis]

While in the overall picture it flies in the face of it (from the standpoint of a freebirth being given limited options), from the stance of a trueborn the bloodname pretty much epitomizes the meritocracy. They would not be nominated for a chance at one unless they were deemed worthy by others, and that nomination alone is far from earning one.

Assuming the system worked like it was intended to (and, let us face it, no human system does, regardless if it is IS, Clan, or reality), the nomination is supposedly for more than just combat skills, but encompasses leadership capabilities and intelligence. Politics pervert it, however - but that is nothing new in any society. The actual combat trials that determine the ultimate winner of a Bloodname are won through combat prowess and clever moves, however. All the nominations in the world mean nothing if you get pulped in the first round by a better pilot.

In theory, the winner of a bloodname is to possess all the characteristics required for a ruling position. An individual who can lead competently, can behave in a manner befitting the clan he or she represents, and who can be almost without equal on the field of battle.

Edited by Pariah Devalis, 17 February 2013 - 07:51 PM.

[Viper69]

Sangrael

[Jaroth Corbett]

Wales Grey, on 17 February 2013 - 07:03 PM, said:

Inbreeding emphasizes both strengths and deficiencies. The Bloodname system flies in the face of the ideals of a meritocracy. Only people who are members in a Bloodnamed House can be leaders of a Clan, regardless of talent, skill, or ability.

Incorrect. Once a warrior is created, he is a member of a Bloodname House. You have to actually WIN the Bloodname to get a seat on the Clan Council & have a vote (except for the Ghost Bears) by defeating all other who claim it. Once you have the Bloodname, you will be eligible for higher ranks. As Ulric said:

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"...........That you have been chosen to participate already marks you as elite, but victory here will rightly place you among the few who exist at the zenith of all the Clans hold sacred."

Blood of Kerensky Trilogy - Book 3 - Lost Destiny

Edited by Jaroth Winson, 18 February 2013 - 04:26 AM.

[n0e]

Ulrich also said:
"Well then a fox you shall be until I find your name, my foxy lady."
source

[Wales Grey]

Jaroth Winson, on 18 February 2013 - 04:24 AM, said:

Incorrect. Once a warrior is created, he is a member of a Bloodname House. You have to actually WIN the Bloodname to get a seat on the Clan Council & have a vote (except for the Ghost Bears) by defeating all other who claim it. Once you have the Bloodname, you will be eligible for higher ranks. As Ulric said:

On the contrary, the Bloodname system is little more than a substitution for a system of hereditary titles, a concept that is fundamentally incompatible with the ideals of a meritocracy.
What about the freebirth warrior who shows greater aptitude and skill than their 'trueborn' peers? Without a genetic legacy, that warrior is unable to claim any of the (extremely limited) number of bloodrights associated with that name.
Even if the warrior can prove a claim to one of the bloodrights, they need to be sponsored by an elder. And even then, a trial of bloodright does little to test the skills of a person at command, leadership, or strategic thinking. It's not a question of the system being "perverted" by politics; the system is fundamentally flawed in determining who has leadership potential.

[Jaroth Corbett]

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On the contrary, the Bloodname system is little more than a substitution for a system of hereditary titles, a concept that is fundamentally incompatible with the ideals of a meritocracy.

Hereditary traditionally meant that the offspring of the person in question would claim what was theirs when that person dies or in the case of more than one, the elder. Young or old, ristar or average, hated or loved, connected or not connected, you still had to fight to gain what you claimed was yours. Every trueborn had an equal chance.

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What about the freebirth warrior who shows greater aptitude and skill than their 'trueborn' peers? Without a genetic legacy, that warrior is unable to claim any of the (extremely limited) number of bloodrights associated with that name.

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Even if the warrior can prove a claim to one of the bloodrights, they need to be sponsored by an elder. And even then, a trial of bloodright does little to test the skills of a person at command, leadership, or strategic thinking. It's not a question of the system being "perverted" by politics; the system is fundamentally flawed in determining who has leadership potential.

When you hear Steiner, you think Lyran Commonwealth but did you know that Steiner is a Bloodname?



Did you know that besides Kerensky, Winson & Osis, the Cooper Bloodname also has 50 Bloodrights because two Clans (Hell's Horses & Snow Ravens) claim them? Jorgensson also had 50 before the Widowmakers were absorbed. Do you think you cannot find a Cooper in the IS or among the freeborn?

Or what about Andrews, Blackburn, Bush, Carmichael, Chen, Cole, Daniels, Fletcher, Foster, Grey, Hawkins (remember Miles Hawkins from the cartoon?), Harper, Henderson, Hutchinson, Jackson, Johns, Jorgensson, Kingston, Levi, Lewis, Lopez, Mackenzie, McCloud, Mendoza, Mitchell, Moore, Morales, Murphy, Norris..............., Patrick, Perez, Richardson, Scott, Silva, Solomon, Taylor, Wallace, Wayne & these are just the ones common to ME. I am sure if someone looked through the complete list of Bloodnames, they would see some others they think would be called common.

https://www.dropbox....%20Labnames.xls

Who said the Trial of Bloodright was supposed to test command, leadership or strategic thinking? It is basically a HUGE Trial of Possession. A warrior will be coached on the rank he is supposed to be promoted to. A Bloodname does not mean a promotion or post in the upper echelon of the Clan, it simply gives you the access to get there. Also the Bloodheritage associated with the specific Bloodname plays an important part.

Edited by Jaroth Winson, 18 February 2013 - 08:00 AM.

[Wales Grey]

Jaroth Winson, on 18 February 2013 - 07:48 AM, said:

Who said the Trial of Bloodright was supposed to test command, leadership or strategic thinking? It is basically a HUGE Trial of Possession. A warrior will be coached on the rank he is supposed to be promoted to. A Bloodname does not mean a promotion or post in the upper echelon of the Clan, it simply gives you the access to get there. Also the Bloodheritage associated with the specific Bloodname plays an important part.

So basically, only people of a "certain lineage" can become leaders, regardless of the skills of others at the task?

Sounds like a hereditary monarchy to me, just one where you have to fratricide your way to the top.

Edited by Wales Grey, 18 February 2013 - 08:06 AM.