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[Hades Trooper]

So Russ posted in the roadmap

http://mwomercs.com/...august-roadmap/

that with spectator mode that

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This we hope unlocks a start to a lot more tournaments and e-sports mentality for MWO

Does any significant portion of the community even give a rats arse about this kinda crap?

How can PGI hope to foster a e-sports mentality when basic functions of the game are constantly in flux, balance is something that's a pipe dream, the steam release needs work done on it and maps are still in a 8 man mode in the main.

how can u have a e-sports mentality when the maps are not even designed for the majority for 12 man groups?

I feel that Cw needs to be flesh out beyond a few changes to deploy zones to promote the game and when it's at a stage people are coming to the game in droves instead of fleeing in masses, then a e-sports mentality could develop. To do so before is to put the cart in front of the horse and say push instead of pull.

The new player experience and a comprehensive introduction in learning how to play are more important than trying to cater to this competative play mentality.


Get your priotories straight before u start to dream the dream. your looking to the stars Russ when where still building the launcher.

After all the smoke and mirrors with IGP leaving the scene, PGI is making a pretty good effort of screwing things up fairly well and this time they don't have any other company to blame.

Discuss folks, i'd like to hear our other feel about this e-sports mentality for MWO, than dealing with the current issues on hand. Should they really be trying to push this when so many things are in need of attention when Russ says it's a small firm, should they be wasting time on this junk so such a small % of the community would want?

Edit Note: People are getting off topic and starting to debate the value of e-sports, i should express, e-sports is a fine thing and all but a time and place and to me MWO isn't in the right place or time to start pursueing e-sport, many other things need to be addressed 1st and then when the player base is enough to give it some validation then go for it, till then get what needs to be done 1st before taking on more.

Edited by Hades Trooper, 24 June 2015 - 11:04 AM.

[Kira Onime]

I honestly don't give a crap about esports in MWO.
The population IMO isn't big enough to be taken seriously.

Edited by KiraOnime, 24 June 2015 - 09:43 AM.

[Anarcho]

I could care less with e-sports too... hate the GGCLOSE mentality and the arrogant teenagers who play like that (yeah, I am Old...)

Focus on CW, single player campaign, PVE and stuff like that...

[Kavoh]

This game will never be an "e-sport" plain and simple. Everything about this game, right down to the basic mechanics, is anti e-sport. Where he even got the idea from is beyond me, and quite frankly, the concept is laughable.

[Kira Onime]

Kavoh, on 24 June 2015 - 08:59 AM, said:

This game will never be an "e-sport" plain and simple. Everything about this game, right down to the basic mechanics, is anti e-sport. Where he even got the idea from is beyond me, and quite frankly, the concept is laughable.

eSports is gaining popularity and he wants to get a bite in that cash cow.

[Lyoto Machida]

It's too bad PGI is focused on e-sports when they could be providing a comprehensive Battletech experience. Fluff text would be a good start. Or an in game explanation of the game's mechanics via tooltips or something. Maybe even training missions for noobs...

Yeah, I guess I'm asking too much of a small design studio...

Anarcho, on 24 June 2015 - 08:57 AM, said:

I could care less with e-sports too... hate the GGCLOSE mentality and the arrogant teenagers who play like that (yeah, I am Old...)

Focus on CW, single player campaign, PVE and stuff like that...

How much less could you care? I kid, I kid...

[STEF_]

I think that a combat simulator is a very different thing from an e-sport.

WORSE idea ever.

And this "decision" explains a lot about PGI and why most of its ideas in mwo suck

[ArchAngelWC]

amusing as Battletech has E-Sports built right in...
Solaris 7 and proper IS houses/The Grand Melee for Clans would have set them up right but alas that was too much work and took too much vision and effort soo


"spectator mode!!"

[KHETTI]

Russ needs to focus on having actual working hitreg and some kind of alternative to the garbage that is elo and the current MM.
THEN there might be some point to e-sports in MWO, until then is just more of the same wasted misplaced effort on stuff that will fail.

[3xnihilo]

If catering to E-sports meant:

Fixing hitreg/lag so that 10 shots from an AC2 did 20 damage not 12-14 and you didn't have to lead your lasers by 1/2 a mech length.

Solaris VII, I would love to see Solaris as a game mode.

Then, I would be all in favor of it. . .not that I could play at a competitive level, but I would benefit from the above, nonetheless.

[hairpiece]

Anarcho, on 24 June 2015 - 08:57 AM, said:

I could care less with e-sports too... hate the GGCLOSE mentality and the arrogant teenagers who play like that (yeah, I am Old...)

Focus on CW, single player campaign, PVE and stuff like that...

Edited by hairpiece, 24 June 2015 - 09:20 AM.

[Charlie Grant]

Making e-sports a priority for MWO seems misguided.

[Fate 6]

I want spectator mode a lot. Maybe you don't care, about it but it lets us do more than just competitive things (cinematics?)

[Midax]

3xnihilo, on 24 June 2015 - 09:15 AM, said:

If catering to E-sports meant:

Fixing hitreg/lag so that 10 shots from an AC2 did 20 damage not 12-14 and you didn't have to lead your lasers by 1/2 a mech length.

Solaris VII, I would love to see Solaris as a game mode.

Then, I would be all in favor of it. . .not that I could play at a competitive level, but I would benefit from the above, nonetheless.

I don't know what sort of ping you are playing on, but I have never had to lead with lasers. Maybe you should be excited about the EU and Asia servers?

[Hades Trooper]

Fate 6, on 24 June 2015 - 09:28 AM, said:

I want spectator mode a lot. Maybe you don't care, about it but it lets us do more than just competitive things (cinematics?)

Yeah it could be a good thing, but where talking about it as a device as in Russ's words to promote a e-sports mentality. Your cinematics was not what Russ was thinking, it's a by product of a direction Russ is trying to steer this that i would think the majority of players have no interest in.

Though i should mention it's something that does add a small element to the game and if u can make it work for you and find a use for it outside of e-sports mentality, then i say more power to you.

Though i would have to say, don't you agree there are bigger fish to be dealt with than some element that obviously must have taken some man hours to achieve considering how much issue PGI seems to have with coding that that time could have been spent in a better manner? no?

[FupDup]

If I had to guess, Russ was trying to promote community events such as player-made tournaments (i.e. Monday Night Mechwarrior) and what have you in order to generate buzz and attention for the game.

Not that they're really succeeding at it, though...

[ThirtyOughtSix]

ArchAngelWC, on 24 June 2015 - 09:08 AM, said:

amusing as Battletech has E-Sports built right in...
Solaris 7 and proper IS houses/The Grand Melee for Clans would have set them up right but alas that was too much work and took too much vision and effort soo


"spectator mode!!"

I see many blowing off e-sport mentality here and yet the Competitve nature of CW is very closely aligned to E-sport. It's just group based. Solaris is about as close and spot on as e-sport you can get. I'm not super Competitve and could give a rats ass about it, but fact is this game is prime for real e-sport league type stuff. It's up to PGI to make the game playable as an E-sport. As it stand RiGHT NOW it's about as far from it as you can get (Edit: On an individual player type level).

Edited by Hyper99, 24 June 2015 - 09:38 AM.

[Hades Trooper]

Midax, on 24 June 2015 - 09:33 AM, said:

I don't know what sort of ping you are playing on, but I have never had to lead with lasers. Maybe you should be excited about the EU and Asia servers?

3xnihilo is correct, even in australia with my 250 ping against certain mechs u still have to lead the target even with lasers which gets quite frankly very annoying.

so unless he's aiming for a North and South America to partake in this e-sport mentality then EU and Asia Servers would be a higher on the of things to spend time on and even in the roadmap he's already stated the Asia server is likely to behind the EU one already.

Now if u want to be truly e-sport minded, how many yanks are gonna be willing to fight vs others from around the world when the server would be biased towards the EU and Asia player base?

There not going to be willing to give up there precious sub 100 ping and play like the rest of the world has been. So once again these e-sport mentality would end up being regional. As isn't the servers going to be shifted as prime time playing hours change so North America players would end up with 250+ pings say during prime time Asian hours?

the MWO player base numbers is so small that it can't be taken as a serious e-sport and then to further divide that into world regions would be even more of a laughing stock.

Edited by Hades Trooper, 24 June 2015 - 09:42 AM.

[Sir Wulfrick]

I'd love to see MWO have a laser-like focus on being an e-sport... For Solaris matches. They could even get the voice actor back who did the commentary from the Mechwarrior 4 Mercs Solaris games. Great stuff.

The very, very large problem I have with this is that the Solaris matches and that entire game mode should be a side show to the real game. A battletech game should reflect the Battletech universe: huge-scale strategic military campaigns with missions, objectives, co-operative game play, logisitcs, macro and micro strategy, objectives, all sorts of different missions on different planets throughout the inner sphere and beyond. Did I mention objectives?

I want the core game play of MWO to be a war. A war in which our actions actually matter, if even on a small scale for an individual player. A war in which we all take part in our house armies, merc units or as clan warriors.

Solaris matches would be a great addition to the game and could feature all sorts of e-sport type tournaments. I do not however want this to become the sole focus of the game. If that happens, I and I suspect many other hard-core battletech fans would be done here.

[Kristov Kerensky]

I see we have many people who know nothing about e-sports.

LoL and CS are both e-sport big games, both have as much content as MWO when it comes to e-sports, both make a lot of money off e-sports, as do some of the top players in those games who get sponsers and so on.

Coca Cola is looking at getting into e-sport sponsership, as is Pepsi and other big name product makers because it's actually becoming a rather huge market.

And MWO being e-sport friendly and directed isn't new, it's been a stated goal since day 1, remember?