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[Thrudvangar]

playing lots of games today, what i've notived is the unfair ECM balance the drops bringt with them.

right now, again, had a match on river city night, 2 DDC atlas and two spider 5D on the enemy team, my team, again has had not one. Guess who wins?

after that: Caustic Valley. i've asked the only ECM capable mech in my team (Kitfox) if he carries ECM, he said no, i knew we lose... Turned out that the enemy, of course had two foxes and a spider, all with ecm of course plus plenty of LRMs.... my team had no ECM, not even a single lrm launcher except my lrm 10 lol. Guess who wins?!

its getting worse and worse.

tourmaline Desert, enemy = 4 ECM, my team NONE... but hey, we had a whole lance of lights (not ecm capable) and as assault a single highlander.. wohoooooo guess who wins?!

as soon as i know that we're only have one ecm IF we actually get one, i know we're on the losing side. And i'm always right with it.

[Onmyoudo]

This has been the case practically since ECM was introduced.

Don't worry though, someone will be along soon to tell you it's fine.

Edited by Onmyoudo, 12 October 2014 - 08:17 AM.

[KraftySOT]

So what?

If you want to always have ECM...bring ECM.

I dont want "Coddled Online".

Because really youre not complaining to PGI...youre complaining to the entire player base, because they didnt provide you ECM cover.

Welp.

[Thorqemada]

Well, obviously we need the ECM-Timberwolf - than each Player can be anything at the same time!

[KraftySOT]

Not only ECM Timbys but clearly Direwolves and Wubshees need it too.

And everything should mount 3 AMS

For no tonnage.

[Bulletsponge0]

Thrudvangar, on 12 October 2014 - 08:11 AM, said:

playing lots of games today, what i've notived is the unfair ECM balance the drops bringt with them.

right now, again, had a match on river city night, 2 DDC atlas and two spider 5D on the enemy team, my team, again has had not one. Guess who wins?

after that: Caustic Valley. i've asked the only ECM capable mech in my team (Kitfox) if he carries ECM, he said no, i knew we lose... Turned out that the enemy, of course had two foxes and a spider, all with ecm of course plus plenty of LRMs.... my team had no ECM, not even a single lrm launcher except my lrm 10 lol. Guess who wins?!

its getting worse and worse.

tourmaline Desert, enemy = 4 ECM, my team NONE... but hey, we had a whole lance of lights (not ecm capable) and as assault a single highlander.. wohoooooo guess who wins?!

as soon as i know that we're only have one ecm IF we actually get one, i know we're on the losing side. And i'm always right with it.

did you try using a UAV? telling your team to focus on the ECM mechs first? BAP? Seismic?

[KraftySOT]

Though dont let my snarky replies, be misconstrued as me saying ECM is ok as it is.

The magic jesus box is not ok.

But ffs its 1.5 tons and like 9 mechs can mount it. If you dont have ECM on your team, its no ones fault but yours.

Edited by KraftySOT, 12 October 2014 - 08:26 AM.

[Thrudvangar]

KraftySOT, on 12 October 2014 - 08:18 AM, said:

So what?

If you want to always have ECM...bring ECM.

I dont want "Coddled Online".

Because really youre not complaining to PGI...youre complaining to the entire player base, because they didnt provide you ECM cover.

Welp.

i bring my ecm mechs regularly so no need to tell me about it

2nd there is plenty of ECM, so you're wrong. but these ECM mechs are mostly all on the same side, instead split up between the teams to make it at least a little even.

Bulletsponge0, on 12 October 2014 - 08:25 AM, said:

did you try using a UAV? telling your team to focus on the ECM mechs first? BAP? Seismic?

come on really?

yeah i'm placing UAV, for about 2 seconds then they get shot. BAP?? show me somebody in the pug queue who equips BAP?? i do with my streakers but hey, it doesn't works against 2 or more enemy ECM's surrounding/spotting you.

i always call seismic activities, no one listens

Edited by Thrudvangar, 12 October 2014 - 08:38 AM.

[Training Instructor]

Need a consumable mod for 40k called White Light. It just frakking jams the entire battlefield, friend and foe. No one gets ECM or NARC, only TAG works because it's almost impossible to jam a laser without using physical obstructions.

[El Bandito]

Bulletsponge0, on 12 October 2014 - 08:25 AM, said:

did you try using a UAV? telling your team to focus on the ECM mechs first? BAP? Seismic?

UAV is pretty useless considering the fact that by the time one can lock a mech under ECM but is revealed by UAV (which will take upwards of 4 seconds), that UAV is already shot down.

Edited by El Bandito, 12 October 2014 - 08:36 AM.

[Tezcatli]

El Bandito, on 12 October 2014 - 08:35 AM, said:

UAV is pretty useless considering the fact that by the time one can lock a mech under ECM but is revealed by UAV (which will take upwards of 4 seconds), that UAV is already shot down.

They should make the UAV do barrel rolls at random.

[Bulletsponge0]

El Bandito, on 12 October 2014 - 08:35 AM, said:

UAV is pretty useless considering the fact that by the time one can lock a mech under ECM but is revealed by UAV (which will take upwards of 4 seconds), that UAV is already shot down.

but the brief time its up, it can tell your whole team where the enemy is....

now, getting them to react is an entirely different story..but at least they'll know where the enemy are

[Thrudvangar]

KraftySOT, on 12 October 2014 - 08:25 AM, said:

Though dont let my snarky replies, be misconstrued as me saying ECM is ok as it is.

The magic jesus box is not ok.

But ffs its 1.5 tons and like 9 mechs can mount it. If you dont have ECM on your team, its no ones fault but yours.

i NEVER said that ECM needs to be fixed or something like that.. Or that ppl should equip ecm in their mechs....

good god can't you ppl read?!

S P L I T the damn ECM mechs via matchmaker to make it even and dont let one team of the match completely without it and give the other team EVERYTHING......

god damn

[KraftySOT]

Thrudvangar, on 12 October 2014 - 08:41 AM, said:

i NEVER said that ECM needs to be fixed or something like that.. Or that ppl should equip ecm in their mechs....

good god can't you ppl read?!

S P L I T the damn ECM mechs via matchmaker to make it even and dont let one team of the match completely without it and give the other team EVERYTHING......

god damn

No.

Be responsible for your own actions.

[Desolator]

KraftySOT, on 12 October 2014 - 08:43 AM, said:

No.

Be responsible for your own actions.

This almost made sense.

The OP has a completely legitimate solution to a know issue.
There is absolutely no reason in solo queue there can't be an algorithm to do this. It already makes sure that there is a certain number of each weight class in a game.

If there are 7 mechs in queue with ECM equipped it should either split them 4:3 or 3:3 and make the 1 go into another game. This is perfectly feasible, but it will probably make queue times longer than they already are.

[Thrudvangar]

KraftySOT, on 12 October 2014 - 08:43 AM, said:

No.

Be responsible for your own actions.

what?!

are you stupid or something?

where is your problem?! If you don't have anything to say about my starting post instead of "mount ecm yourself" then.... just leave. I DO mount ECM with my Raven and with my Cicada... Yeah believe it or not.

it's not that ecm is THERE, its about how it is split between the teams.

[KraftySOT]

Desolator, on 12 October 2014 - 08:53 AM, said:

This almost made sense.

The OP has a completely legitimate solution to a know issue.
There is absolutely no reason in solo queue there can't be an algorithm to do this. It already makes sure that there is a certain number of each weight class in a game.

If there are 7 mechs in queue with ECM equipped it should either split them 4:3 or 3:3 and make the 1 go into another game. This is perfectly feasible, but it will probably make queue times longer than they already are.

And if theres 1 ECM mech in queue...my wait times sky rocket waiting for another one. Or the guy with the ECM is booted from that match wait ...

No thanks.

Then he has to be ECM, plus the right ELO.

Seriously just bring ECM if you want ECM.

Dont ruin MY match because you cant handle it. What will happen, is that ECM DD-C with a super high elo, will be on my team, and the Raven noob will be on your team.

Or the wait times sky rocket while it tries to find an ELO match for ECM capable mechs on top of just ELO rankings being within a window.

More waaait.

Edited by KraftySOT, 12 October 2014 - 08:56 AM.

[InspectorG]

The ecm/lrm/stealth mechanic needs work. Obviously.

But i do tire of people complaining about other teammates not bringing an ecm, while they themselves dont bother to bring one.

Hypocrisy. Heavies used to be the only exception with the 3x4...

You want ecm, bring one for yourself. It a good tool for Puglandia and low level team drops but look at what the comp players say about it. They seem to think its best use is hiding your health status, not praying the Rosary so lrm wont hit you.

[Bartholomew bartholomew]

BAP should have a 600M range. That would mitigate ECM somewhat. But hey, That's not canon. Unless you count that BAP is supposed to notice an ECM mech quite a ways out. But, oh well.

[Desolator]

KraftySOT, on 12 October 2014 - 08:55 AM, said:

And if theres 1 ECM mech in queue...my wait times sky rocket waiting for another one. Or the guy with the ECM is booted from that match wait ...

No thanks.

Then he has to be ECM, plus the right ELO.

Wow dude, you have literally no reading comprehension or the ability to think.
If you are the only mech in queue with ECM you would get a game just the same. You are 1 mech. 1 mech with ECM does not win a game, but it does get out of control, when one side has 7 ECM mechs to another side with only 1.