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[Papapeshu]

My best mech is my Jagermech JM6-S with 3xUAC/5 & 2xMlas.
(sold my DD before the quirkening, I'll get another one day)

Just mastered Enforcers and by the Lord Grohl, I've a new favourite!
The 5P 2xUAC/5 & 1xMlas is one VERY effective mech.
Just get in the habit of chainfiring those cannons with a double-tap every 3 or so seconds and you'll be shredding whole lances!

[shellashock]

Not to dissuade you from your search for MOAR DAKKA, but I highly recommend you try a dual gauss build on a Catapult K2, Jagermech or King Crab. They do not have a high DPS, but nothing (IMO of course), beats the satisfaction of nailing an open component at 500m or more with a 30 damage alpha strike @ 2000 m/s. I would recommend you to try out the autocannon builds first to see how they are, but please try out a dual gauss build on some of the ballistics oriented mechs to see how you like it. Chances are high that you won't be disappointed.

CPLT-K2 "Gauss Kitty"
My personal favourite; fit armour to taste.

Edited by shellashock, 17 June 2015 - 07:08 AM.

[Mr Hunter]

I like dual gauss, not on the k2 but yes dual guass is amazing.

[Xannatharr]

All right folks, it looks like the winner is going to be the Jagermech line. I'll end up buying at least three of them, so I should have a chance to roll the version with 3 U A/C5s, the one with 2 A/C5s +2 A/C2s and one other.... I might heed the suggestion to try a dual Gauss build.

Thanks very much for all of your posts, after I buy the first one and have a few games in it, I will post a quick update here to let everyone know how it goes!

Regards,

Xann

Edited by Xannatharr, 18 June 2015 - 06:56 AM.

[Elizander]

Xannatharr, on 18 June 2015 - 06:55 AM, said:

All right folks, it looks like the winner is going to be the Jagermech line. I'll end up buying at least three of them, so I should have a chance to roll the version with 3 U A/C5s, the one with 2 A/C5s +2 A/C2s and one other.... I might heed the suggestion to try a dual Gauss build.

Thanks very much for all of your posts, after I buy the first one and have a few games in it, I will post a quick update here to let everyone know how it goes!

Regards,

Xann

Have fun

[Unnatural Growth]

Good luck Xann and don't forget to have fun.

Your very first upgrades should be dual heat sinks, regardless of anything else. Playing them stock will be pretty rough, but they get better the more you tune them.

And always build them in Smurphy first, before you spend any Cbills on upgrades and equipment. Will save you a bunch of space bucks to theory craft them first.

[Xannatharr]

I went ahead and squeezed the trigger last night: JM6-DD

Most of my evening was spent trying to finish Elite skills on my last Hunchback, the 4G. I only need about 3,000 more Mech XP on that one and I will be done with them so that I can get all of the Mastery stuff. Should be able to finish that up tonight, then spend most of the evening switching back and forth between my favorite Hunchback and my sweet new Jagermech.

From the two Jagermatches I played last night I learned the following:

• The stock build actually seems okay, but double heatsinks are needed and I should probably swap the A/C2s for a third U A/C5
  
• Dakkadakkadakkadakkadakkadakka!!!
  
• Peeking is a very different because I need lots of time on target to hurt them
  
• While sitting there blazing away, other enemies see me and light me up
  
• The Jager has cute, thin armor like a 45-tonner
  
• Dakkadakkadakkadakkadakkadakka!!!

It's a blast so far, I will post maybe one more time to report results once I have a good number of games under my belt with it.

Xann

[IraqiWalker]

Xannatharr, on 19 June 2015 - 05:58 AM, said:

I went ahead and squeezed the trigger last night: JM6-DD

Most of my evening was spent trying to finish Elite skills on my last Hunchback, the 4G. I only need about 3,000 more Mech XP on that one and I will be done with them so that I can get all of the Mastery stuff. Should be able to finish that up tonight, then spend most of the evening switching back and forth between my favorite Hunchback and my sweet new Jagermech.

From the two Jagermatches I played last night I learned the following:

• The stock build actually seems okay, but double heatsinks are needed and I should probably swap the A/C2s for a third U A/C5
  
• Dakkadakkadakkadakkadakkadakka!!!
  
• Peeking is a very different because I need lots of time on target to hurt them
  
• While sitting there blazing away, other enemies see me and light me up
  
• The Jager has cute, thin armor like a 45-tonner
  
• Dakkadakkadakkadakkadakkadakka!!!

It's a blast so far, I will post maybe one more time to report results once I have a good number of games under my belt with it.

Xann

For the record, there are between 5 and 8 builds that run well on Single Heat Sinks, or don't need Doubles. Other than that, every build in the game requires double heatsinks. It's gotten to the point where most of us automatically get DHS before we even realize what it is we are building.

[Unnatural Growth]

Xann,

Yes the only real drawback on the Jager is it's paper thin armor and huge side torsos. As soon as someone starts banging away at you, you need to fall back and reposition. I still love engaging Jagers one on one with my Cataphracts, they don't stand a chance.

Better off playing it as a striker/flanker, or just stay close to the assaults and play fire support for your assault buddies. They'll take most of the focused fire for you, and you can lay down some serious hurt in return.

[Rogue Jedi]

Xannatharr, on 19 June 2015 - 05:58 AM, said:

From the two Jagermatches I played last night I learned the following:

• The stock build actually seems okay, but double heatsinks are needed and I should probably swap the A/C2s for a third U A/C5
  
• Dakkadakkadakkadakkadakkadakka!!!
  
• Peeking is a very different because I need lots of time on target to hurt them
  
• While sitting there blazing away, other enemies see me and light me up
  
• The Jager has cute, thin armor like a 45-tonner
  
• Dakkadakkadakkadakkadakkadakka!!!

It's a blast so far, I will post maybe one more time to report results once I have a good number of games under my belt with it.

Xann

Stock Jagermechs mount less than half there max armor, but you can fix that in the Mechlab

if you are currently running it stock except for DHS then I would look carefully at what compromises you want to make, ideally you want near max armor and a lot more ammo, absolute minimum I would recommend is 2 tonnes per UAC5, it is not unusual for me to run out of 3 tonnes of ammo for each UAC5, also it may be worth swopping the Fero Fibrus Armor for Endo Steel internals, for an extra 2.5 tonnes of space,

you mentioned that you were considering running 3 UAC5 build, if that is what you want to do I would recommenced something along the lines of this:
http://mwo.smurfy-ne...cab0297acd19a88

the upgrades and additional equipment will cost about 3 million cbills

[Xannatharr]

IraqiWalker, on 19 June 2015 - 06:06 AM, said:

For the record, there are between 5 and 8 builds that run well on Single Heat Sinks, or don't need Doubles. Other than that, every build in the game requires double heatsinks. It's gotten to the point where most of us automatically get DHS before we even realize what it is we are building.

Yeah, I should have waited to buy it so that I had the additional 1.5M C-Bills to go to DHS right away, but I was just so excited... Will make this my next spend.

OldOrgandonor, on 19 June 2015 - 06:23 AM, said:

Xann,

Yes the only real drawback on the Jager is it's paper thin armor and huge side torsos. As soon as someone starts banging away at you, you need to fall back and reposition. I still love engaging Jagers one on one with my Cataphracts, they don't stand a chance.

Better off playing it as a striker/flanker, or just stay close to the assaults and play fire support for your assault buddies. They'll take most of the focused fire for you, and you can lay down some serious hurt in return.

And thanks, I'm going to work on my playstyle with the Jager; it definitely requires that you learn the art of retreat and re-position!

And as always, it seems like I will often benefit from staying with the big boys, so I will work on that as well.

Thanks for the posts!

Xann

Rogue Jedi, on 19 June 2015 - 07:11 AM, said:

Stock Jagermechs mount less than half there max armor, but you can fix that in the Mechlab

if you are currently running it stock except for DHS then I would look carefully at what compromises you want to make, ideally you want near max armor and a lot more ammo, absolute minimum I would recommend is 2 tonnes per UAC5, it is not unusual for me to run out of 3 tonnes of ammo for each UAC5, also it may be worth swopping the Fero Fibrus Armor for Endo Steel internals, for an extra 2.5 tonnes of space,

you mentioned that you were considering running 3 UAC5 build, if that is what you want to do I would recommenced something along the lines of this:
http://mwo.smurfy-ne...cab0297acd19a88

the upgrades and additional equipment will cost about 3 million cbills

Holy crap, I didn't even notice that the stock build has ferro-fibrous but not Endo. Thanks for pointing that out!

I will add that to my list of upgrades/changes as well. I could also drop the 2 MPLs to MLs, which would buy me a little more tonnage for armor/ammo... that bears thinking about too.

Edit: I just took a close look at your at your recommended 3 UA/C5 build.. the maxed out armor on torsos and arms is sweet. And 8.5 tons of ammo? Damn! Hopefully I can work to survive long enough to burn through all of it Great build, that gives me some good ideas on the things I should do to maximize my Jager's effectiveness. Thank you!

Xann

Edited by Xannatharr, 19 June 2015 - 07:25 AM.

[IraqiWalker]

Xannatharr, on 19 June 2015 - 07:17 AM, said:

Holy crap, I didn't even notice that the stock build has ferro-fibrous but not Endo. Thanks for pointing that out!
Xann

This has it's origins back in Tabletop. After the Inner Sphere went stupid, and started nuking itself apart, they lost the ability to manufacture Endo-steel virtually everywhere. FF armor was still easy to manufacture, and can be done on land (Endo-Steel can only be manufactured in zero-G environments, and those facilities were destroyed during the First Succession War). So it was the easier, and cheaper to make option for weight savings.

Not to mention that unlike FF, to install an Endo-steel skeleton on a mech, you have to literally strip the whole thing down, and re-build it from the ground up. It's very expensive, and only a few places in the IS could make it after they rediscovered how to do it. While FF only requires you to remove the armor plates you currently have on your mech, and put the FF ones.

[Rogue Jedi]

Xannatharr, on 19 June 2015 - 07:17 AM, said:

I just took a close look at your at your recommended 3 UA/C5 build.. the maxed out armor on torsos and arms is sweet. And 8.5 tons of ammo? Damn! Hopefully I can work to survive long enough to burn through all of it Great build, that gives me some good ideas on the things I should do to maximize my Jager's effectiveness. Thank you!

with ammo I aim to run out occasionally, if you never run out you are wasting tonnage on something you are not using, by the same token, if you run out more than about 1 game in 3 you are probably not taking enough, experience has taught me that for most Mechs 3 tones per UAC5 is best for me (I will use all the ammo about 1 game in 5), you may well settle on a different amount but only experience will tell you that.

I am not sure weather or not you have figured this out, and I probably should have mentioned it in my earlier post but if you hold the trigger down the UAC5 fires at the same rate as the AC5, it is only if you tap fire that you can get the "double tap" second shot, but if you double tap you stand a risk of jamming.
if you are not usualy using the double tap you may as well swap the UAC5s for standard AC5s and save 3 tonnes

[Threndor]

I'd like to add a question to this thread on the Jaeger: what about an asymmetrical build of guass/AC2 (backed by 3-4 MPLs)?

[Elizander]

Xannatharr, on 19 June 2015 - 05:58 AM, said:

I went ahead and squeezed the trigger last night: JM6-DD

Most of my evening was spent trying to finish Elite skills on my last Hunchback, the 4G. I only need about 3,000 more Mech XP on that one and I will be done with them so that I can get all of the Mastery stuff. Should be able to finish that up tonight, then spend most of the evening switching back and forth between my favorite Hunchback and my sweet new Jagermech.

From the two Jagermatches I played last night I learned the following:

• The stock build actually seems okay, but double heatsinks are needed and I should probably swap the A/C2s for a third U A/C5
  
• Dakkadakkadakkadakkadakkadakka!!!
  
• Peeking is a very different because I need lots of time on target to hurt them
  
• While sitting there blazing away, other enemies see me and light me up
  
• The Jager has cute, thin armor like a 45-tonner
  
• Dakkadakkadakkadakkadakkadakka!!!

It's a blast so far, I will post maybe one more time to report results once I have a good number of games under my belt with it.


Xann

Just remember with 3 UAC5 and a single double shot alpha you already did 30 damage. That's enough of a salvo for you to seek cover right away if they see you.

So your peek-a-boo style is wait for all UAC to unjam, peek out, double pump, hide again.

Just think of it as switching to 3 shot burst mode on your rifle.

Edited by Elizander, 20 June 2015 - 03:24 AM.

[IraqiWalker]

Threndor, on 20 June 2015 - 12:06 AM, said:

I'd like to add a question to this thread on the Jaeger: what about an asymmetrical build of guass/AC2 (backed by 3-4 MPLs)?

Could work. AC 2 keeps them rocking, before you slug them with the GR. I'll leave the definitive answer to those more versed in the art of Jager-fu

[Audacious Aubergine]

TheCaptainJZ, on 16 June 2015 - 09:15 PM, said:

If you are considering dropping some cash, the Jagermech just got a Mastery pack added to the store today. It's 3 mechs, one hero, one champion, one regular to level skills with, some premium time and 50% off all the contents. Might be worth considering...

But the Cataphract has one too, contains the Ilya (that I use with 3 AC/5), the 4X (that I use with 4 AC/5) and another variant that I can't remember off the top of my head. So it's a matter of whether you prefer a tankier mech with lower guns or a slightly more fragile one with the guns on periscopes

[Threndor]

My other problem is just getting used to the game (I finally -just- completed my raven set). Going from light to heavy... its like being stuck in concrete!

[IraqiWalker]

Threndor, on 20 June 2015 - 05:24 PM, said:

My other problem is just getting used to the game (I finally -just- completed my raven set). Going from light to heavy... its like being stuck in concrete!

It's also a very different type of game. I love that each weight class is it's own mini game.

[InspectorG]

Xannatharr, on 17 June 2015 - 06:27 AM, said:

Yeah, just IS for me... at least for now!

Shame though....

Nothing out-dakkas the Whale. 5-6UAC5, 4UAC10, dual/triple Gauss...

For the IS, Jager, Dragon-N, Crab.