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[Lily from animove]

So they said we are not big enough yet for EU servers
And that they have to wage the thing that Eu servers means ping increase for non EU gamers.

when I go through my screenshots I see for EU times many games where only up to 6 low pingers are, the tohers latency wise are all very likely EU's

so I do not really understand the logic of the arguments on the townhall meeting. it would be just an improvement for the big majority of 24 people in such a match.

[Fishbulb333]

Didn't they say the population was roughly evenly split between NA and non-NA players? Soo...if it's not ok to expect NA players to play with a higher ping sometimes why is it ok to ask the other half to play with high pings all the time?
I get 5-10 ping on most games with EU servers, but usually 95-100 at best on MWO and that's a lot lower than I used to get, before upgrading to fibre my pings here varied wildly from 140-400.

Would really like to see regional servers, as long as I'm still able to play on all of them.

[dario03]

Could be cost. Russ talked about having people connect to a Euro server during Euro peak and NA during NA peak but then you would have to have 2 server locations with only 1 in use at a time. I would think that would cost more.

[Egomane]

Fishbulb333, on 20 February 2015 - 09:59 AM, said:

Didn't they say the population was roughly evenly split between NA and non-NA players? Soo...if it's not ok to expect NA players to play with a higher ping sometimes why is it ok to ask the other half to play with high pings all the time?

That perturbs me as well!

Is it really that hard to ask of the other players to meet us at an even playing field? sometimes they get a better ping and sometimes we do?

Not to mention that some asian players might actually have ping improvements. Or the australians that are screwed by their providers routing through europe (if that is still a thing).

[Kain Demos]

I am in the US and for some reason many Euros have better ping than me.

[EvilCow]

Put servers in Greenland, cooling for free and about in the middle.

[occusoj]

151st Light Horse Regiment, on 20 February 2015 - 10:55 AM, said:

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Its not dying.
MWO is quite healthy and the steam release will bring in a good deal of money for PGI. A game like this one cant die unless the devs mess up a huge lot more than they do now.

Look at the "How much have you spent" thread. That fanbase is a goldmine. Most will continue to buy more cool mechs until the end of time, regardless of value and the games quality.

And regarding the EU servers: People will buy stuff even without EU servers, so why bother spending money on them?

Edited by Marvyn Dodgers, 20 February 2015 - 04:41 PM.
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[Mott]

Fishbulb333, on 20 February 2015 - 09:59 AM, said:

Didn't they say the population was roughly evenly split between NA and non-NA players? Soo...if it's not ok to expect NA players to play with a higher ping sometimes why is it ok to ask the other half to play with high pings all the time?
I get 5-10 ping on most games with EU servers, but usually 95-100 at best on MWO and that's a lot lower than I used to get, before upgrading to fibre my pings here varied wildly from 140-400.

Would really like to see regional servers, as long as I'm still able to play on all of them.

Egomane, on 20 February 2015 - 10:04 AM, said:

That perturbs me as well!

Is it really that hard to ask of the other players to meet us at an even playing field? sometimes they get a better ping and sometimes we do?

Not to mention that some asian players might actually have ping improvements. Or the australians that are screwed by their providers routing through europe (if that is still a thing).

The problem with your line of thinking is that you're equating "Non-North American" players to simply be European. And that's not the case.

Yes, the playerbase is fairly evenly split between NA and non-NA, but in the non-NA you have a lot of Aussies & SE Asia, Mainland Asia and European players.

Adding the Euro server is going to cause alllllll kinds of new problems... and only benefit maybe 25%-30% of the player base's ping.

[Ghogiel]

Mott, on 20 February 2015 - 11:02 AM, said:

The problem with your line of thinking is that you're equating "Non-North American" players to simply be European. And that's not the case.

Yes, the playerbase is fairly evenly split between NA and non-NA, but in the non-NA you have a lot of Aussies & SE Asia, Mainland Asia and European players.

Adding the Euro server is going to cause alllllll kinds of new problems... and only benefit maybe 25%-30% of the player base's ping.

Russ stated unequivically that the NA and EU playerbase is about a 50/50 split. He actually doesn't mention non EU/NA players at all. They could be 25-30% of the player base but since he talked about the NA and EU pop spikes during those prime times I doubt the non EU/NA players, ie all the aussies/asians make up even 25%.

[N0MAD]

Are you people just seriously ignoring the fact that there just isnt the population to split into 2 separate servers?.really?..

[Kain Demos]

Ghogiel, on 20 February 2015 - 11:27 AM, said:

Russ stated unequivically that the NA and EU playerbase is about a 50/50 split. He actually doesn't mention non EU/NA players at all. They could be 25-30% of the player base but since he talked about the NA and EU pop spikes during those prime times I doubt the non EU/NA players, ie all the aussies/asians make up even 25%.

That can not be. Look at the daily CW reports--it looks like 70% of the activity is in the NA ceasefire. Basically the overwhelming majority of action takes place in the NA slot with some action in the EU slot and the APAC slot is virtually dead indicating a very small APAC player base.

[Mott]

Ghogiel, on 20 February 2015 - 11:27 AM, said:

Russ stated unequivically that the NA and EU playerbase is about a 50/50 split. He actually doesn't mention non EU/NA players at all. They could be 25-30% of the player base but since he talked about the NA and EU pop spikes during those prime times I doubt the non EU/NA players, ie all the aussies/asians make up even 25%.

The TH writeup i read used NA vs Non-NA to describe the near 50/50 split... it did not say that Euros nearly equaled North Americans.

I don't know if Russ said what you claimed, i didn't attend the TH and haven't listened to it yet.

[XXXBunnyXXX]

i really dont care .. as long as my ping is stable im good

[Lily from animove]

N0MAD, on 20 February 2015 - 11:46 AM, said:

Are you people just seriously ignoring the fact that there just isnt the population to split into 2 separate servers?.really?..

they are not seperated, we talk about matchservers, everyone can still be matched with everyone, but in EU primetime when 20 out of 24 players come from the EU, a match would be calculated by an EU Server. not an US one.

[Tahribator]

151st Light Horse Regiment, on 20 February 2015 - 10:55 AM, said:

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1/10 would not get trolled.

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[Critical Rocket]

I am by far the least qualified to talk about servers and how they work for games like this, but would it be feasible for PGI to use a system similar to Guns of Icarus and other titles where you choose the server you want to find a match for and if it can't within X amount of time the system then widens the search to include NA servers as well? At least that way players who would like reasonable ping and less hit detection issues can play in their zone and if you specifically want to game with clan members from the NA or EU you can choose that server region when grouping.

Again I am not the most clued in about these systems but if it could be done, it would help a lot of people. Community warfare could stay on the current system because of the population not being the largest currently. But public games could use this system.

[Torgun]

I most certainly doubt they are interested in paying for EU servers, so this whole discussion is pretty much meaningless.

[KharnZor]

I wish i could get the ping you euro's get.

[Ghogiel]

Kain Thul, on 20 February 2015 - 11:50 AM, said:

That can not be. Look at the daily CW reports--it looks like 70% of the activity is in the NA ceasefire. Basically the overwhelming majority of action takes place in the NA slot with some action in the EU slot and the APAC slot is virtually dead indicating a very small APAC player base.

Russ has spoken on the matter and stated EU/NA player base split is about 50/50, there really isn't any point arguing about that until Russ makes a retraction some point in the future. He could of mispoke.

I agree that the APAC pop is far lower than either of those pops.

Mott, on 20 February 2015 - 11:53 AM, said:

The TH writeup i read used NA vs Non-NA to describe the near 50/50 split... it did not say that Euros nearly equaled North Americans.

I don't know if Russ said what you claimed, i didn't attend the TH and haven't listened to it yet.

Listen to Russ.

[Lily from animove]

Torgun, on 20 February 2015 - 12:31 PM, said:

I most certainly doubt they are interested in paying for EU servers, so this whole discussion is pretty much meaningless.

you would need less hardware in the us, but more in the EU. further steam release will bring in many gamers, they anyways have to stock up server. even even further, many EU gamers simply never play games with 100+ latency, so the invenstment would not even be that bad.

And Europs + Russia are some of the most "STFU and take my money"

Edited by Lily from animove, 20 February 2015 - 02:15 PM.