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[Dino Might]

XtremWarrior, on 22 June 2015 - 12:45 AM, said:

Yup, most of the times, opinions are only there to make people get killed.

But i have an idea: Sadam killed his people, America comes and rescue them.
American government is also killing people - be it by favouring crap food (hello ministers from Monsanto), crap investments (hello guys who created the global 2008 bankruptcy) or crappy wars (iraq/afghanistan/ iraq the first time/etc.).
So what i propose is European countries invade you just to save your own population (destroying most of your social infrastructures on the way - so we can put our own companies on the market to rebuild everything) and after that we see in what state you are and how happy you feel about it?

If you can figure out a way to make a JDAM that targets only fast food cheeseburgers and loan paperwork, by all means.

The constant comparison of what USA does today compared to WWII is astounding. It's like they see videos of Dresden and Tokyo and imagine that's still what's going on, wholesale.

Want the USA out of the world police business? So do I. Let everyone else deal with it for a while and then come tell us how our s*** is the only kind that stinks.

bad arcade kitty, on 22 June 2015 - 12:10 AM, said:

american intervention to iraq (several times in a short span!) destabilized that whole region, guess who is ultimately to blame for people being killed by isis, and also why people even join isis

ISIS? Jihadis from other countries going to join ISIS and get killed in ongoing conflict in underdeveloped countries? Well it's not ideal, but it beats the heck out of fighting them in the streets of downtown Paris or NY.

The real reason they are recruiting is because too many people in this world have no purpose and no hope, and that's the first place where they think they can make a difference (regardless of if it's good or bad). To that end, we all are to blame for that. Poor parenting, no sense of community, corrupt political systems, general stifling of education. It's all part of the primordial soup of terrorism, which is naught more than glorified teenage rebellion taken to extremes. "I'm pissed off at the world. Now I'm going to go kill it until it pays more attention to me."

Edited by Dino Might, 22 June 2015 - 04:55 AM.

[MoonfireSpam]

Feel your pain.

[Dino Might]

MoonfireSpam, on 22 June 2015 - 04:57 AM, said:

Feel your pain.

Yeah, that's some garbage. Amazon sells that for $500 USD flat here in the States.

Edit: oh I see it on upper left now. Is that a composite, or do they really show you how much you are getting bent over each time you buy something?

Edited by Dino Might, 22 June 2015 - 05:04 AM.

[C E Dwyer]

Anarcho, on 20 June 2015 - 01:07 PM, said:

Stop this BS of socialism, the problem is PGI charging in USD. I really hope when they hit steam that it get xsolla out or at least regionalized like steam wallet is. My buddies in Brazil pay an absurd ammount difference.

I didn't think Steam did regional values ?

I thought all they did was convert via the exchange rate for you, to save you doing the Math, that's all

MoonfireSpam, on 22 June 2015 - 04:57 AM, said:

Feel your pain.

Did that include V.A.T at 17 % ?

[Mystere]

MoonfireSpam, on 22 June 2015 - 04:57 AM, said:

Feel your pain.

Ouch!

In a (somewhat) related note, will luxury goods (assuming GFX cards are classified as such) prices improve or get worse if [1] the UK leaves the EU, and [2] Scotland leaves the UK? How about everyday commodity prices?

I almost ended up living in the UK, but alas things did not pan out.

[Ghogiel]

Escef, on 21 June 2015 - 10:31 PM, said:

Look up how many of his own people Saddam Hussein killed and get back to me. Just in case you're too lazy to get some perspective, in 1 year Saddam Hussein killed more people than the Iraq and Afghan wars combined did from 2001 to 2011.

cherry picking the limits of what casualties that are allowed to be compared to justify your moral equivalence is bad mmmkay. the war is but a fraction of the wests damage on Iraq. It says Sadam had half a million people killed as high estimate. Still can't see how that is more than the 100+k civilians in the 2001 war but then you should tack on the 500k children that died + the other 500k of other people due to sanctions after the first gulf war which the secetary of state had the cheek to say it was a price worth paying or something ridiculous.

I personally wouldn't dream of defending either Sadam or recent US foreign policy. It's this moral equivalence ****.

Edited by Ghogiel, 22 June 2015 - 05:44 AM.

[Escef]

Dino Might, on 22 June 2015 - 04:48 AM, said:

It's all part of the primordial soup of terrorism, which is naught more than glorified teenage rebellion taken to extremes. "I'm pissed off at the world. Now I'm going to go kill it until it pays more attention to me."

Terrorism is a business. They pay someone to make the bomb, pay someone to plant the bomb, pay someone to set it off and record the attack, send the footage to their media guys, media guys sell footage to backers (often wealthy Saudis that are ideologically motivated and don't have to deal with the day to day realities of terrorism any more than most members of congress).

Hell, ISIS was in Iraq when I was there (we called them something else at the time, and thought their goal of establishing a caliphate was just so much pie in the sky... well, if people hadn't f'd up good, it wouldn't have happened).

[XtremWarrior]

Escef, on 22 June 2015 - 04:30 AM, said:

You didn't really ask one. You just decided to pass off being a passive-aggressive **** as a question.

Agressive? Wow, i don't know how you would have reacted if i even tried to be agressive.

Point is, it's not USA's job to say which country is in a right state and which isn't. The people in those countries does. If they want to accept their dictators, then it's their own business. If they want to get rid of it, they start a revolution and then again it's their own business.
So what would happen if a coallition from OTAN or something else just invaded USA because their government is doing awfull thing to their own people and/or the rest of the world? (if you need a real question)

USA is a christian country, let's use the book then:
[color=#252525]"[/color][color=#252525] Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, [/color][color=#252525]Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam [/color]is[color=#252525] in thine own eye?" Matthew 7:1-5[/color]

Dino Might, on 22 June 2015 - 04:48 AM, said:

If you can figure out a way to make a JDAM that targets only fast food cheeseburgers and loan paperwork, by all means.

The constant comparison of what USA does today compared to WWII is astounding. It's like they see videos of Dresden and Tokyo and imagine that's still what's going on, wholesale.

Want the USA out of the world police business? So do I. Let everyone else deal with it for a while and then come tell us how our s*** is the only kind that stinks.

I can't understand the relevant points in your answer apart from last sentence. Which makes me say, then who do take care of USA own s***? But i can understand that your media are not really showing the reality behind USA's intervention.

Edited by XtremWarrior, 22 June 2015 - 06:37 AM.

[Escef]

XtremWarrior, on 22 June 2015 - 06:32 AM, said:

USA is a christian country,...

"Art. 11. As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion;..." - Excerpt, Treaty of Tripoli, unanimously ratified by US Senate after being read aloud in the senate chamber, signed by President John Adams on 10 June 1797.

Care to lie to me some more about my own country?

[Mindwipe]

Cathy, on 22 June 2015 - 05:28 AM, said:

I didn't think Steam did regional values ?

I thought all they did was convert via the exchange rate for you, to save you doing the Math, that's all

No idea if it's a generalized thing but I buy the equivalent of MC in another online game I bought off of Steam that also has it's own market and at least when I pay through Steam (never tried any other way) I pay $CDN exactly what the value showed, no exchange rate. Honestly, it's made me a bit more willing to blow cash in that game since my $50 is actually worth $50.

[Mystere]

XtremWarrior, on 22 June 2015 - 06:32 AM, said:

Point is, it's not USA's job to say which country is in a right state and which isn't. The people in those countries does. If they want to accept their dictators, then it's their own business. If they want to get rid of it, they start a revolution and then again it's their own business.

And speaking of those "oh so horrible" dictators:


(What happened to being the best of friends? )


(In the name of "Freedom and Democracy" ).


(Need I say more? <smh>)


Didn't the good ol' US of A lovingly support these fine folks in spite of the affected citizens' wishes? And those are the dead ones.

(My last post on this distraction ... I promise. )

Edited by Mystere, 22 June 2015 - 07:06 AM.

[sneeking]

That may be a steam thing, perhaps they are subsidising currencies ?

I just bought a game on steam during the sale, the same game I looked at on psn costs around $60 then dlc packs are between 7 to 11 bucks each.

Got the game and all dlc for under $20 !

[Dino Might]

XtremWarrior, on 22 June 2015 - 06:32 AM, said:

I can't understand the relevant points in your answer apart from last sentence.

I am not surprised.

XtremWarrior, on 22 June 2015 - 06:32 AM, said:

Which makes me say, then who do take care of USA own s***? But i can understand that your media are not really showing the reality behind USA's intervention.

What you wrote is quite confusing. I don't know what, "who do take care of USA own s***" means. But I'm assuming English isn't your first language, and you're much better at it than I am at any foreign language, so I appreciate the effort.

If you want to quote numbers, please provide sources. Pulling comments off an ISIS propaganda website does not constitute actual research. If you want to play the comparison game, then we can do that until the cows come home, but you'll probably lose. If you want to argue on principles, then explain to me how it is principled and sit on a fence watching two groups slug it out over what to you is obviously morally one-sided.

Ok, move me to K-town, mods. I have done my world commentary bit for the day.

[Y E O N N E]

https://www.iraqbody...t.org/database/

Have fun.

[Escef]

Yeonne Greene, on 22 June 2015 - 09:22 AM, said:

https://www.iraqbody...t.org/database/

Have fun.

https://en.wikipedia...risings_in_Iraq Estimated casualties (mostly civilian) of over 200,000. In one year.

Edited by Escef, 22 June 2015 - 09:40 AM.

[Ghogiel]

Escef, on 22 June 2015 - 09:39 AM, said:

https://en.wikipedia...risings_in_Iraq Estimated casualties (mostly civilian) of over 200,000. In one year.

Even if that mattered one bit besides to make you feel less bad about the USs foriegn actions, but if you want to count bodies and do the same thing {Godwin's Law} sympathisers did with moral equilvances, it's still only a fraction deaths that were caused by the sanctions the west put on Iraq.

[Y E O N N E]

Escef, on 22 June 2015 - 09:39 AM, said:

https://en.wikipedia...risings_in_Iraq Estimated casualties (mostly civilian) of over 200,000. In one year.

I thought I was on your ignore list.

Anyway, I wasn't taking sides, just posting a link to a place that tracks the ongoing death toll by perpetrator for anybody interested. On a personal level, I agree with kicking Saddam out of Iraq. The only real shame is that the USA has a tendency to back despots before later deposing them and that it doesn't follow up its operations very well because everybody forgets that wars don't resolve just because you leave the area yet they still want out. "The People" wanted us out of Iraq, the Iraqi government wanted us out of Iraq, but Iraq was not ready for us to be out of Iraq. Combine the inadequacies of the Iraqi government with our hesitance to support democracy-supporting uprisings in Libya and Syria in a timely fashion (for reasons, see: The People wanted us out of Iraq), and of course ****-tier groups like ISIS gain support.

[CDLord HHGD]

Warblood, on 20 June 2015 - 09:01 AM, said:

Its cause of the Cdn to US exchange rate.

But it does seem odd that a Canadian company would charge Canadians in USD, they ask for your postal code when you give your credit card info so they know were you live.

[XtremWarrior]

Escef, on 22 June 2015 - 06:40 AM, said:

"Art. 11. As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion;..." - Excerpt, Treaty of Tripoli, unanimously ratified by US Senate after being read aloud in the senate chamber, signed by President John Adams on 10 June 1797.

Care to lie to me some more about my own country?

Yes, i was lying, of course! i'm the devil!
No, i'm sorry, it's just the book on which your President swears his "vows of office" that confuses me i guess!
Also, as a "christian country", i only mean that USA are massively christians, sorry if i picked the wrong words. You know, i'm the agressive one here so i speak very harshly and all!

But it's ok, you will never answer to anything i say (not because you cannot but for a pure and deeper purpose, i'm sure). And as it was already out of OP's concerns, i leave what could had been a discussion right here.
See you on the field without political chats!

[Roadkill]

You know why Canada as a Twonie, right?

So they can have a coin that's actually worth a dollar.