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#1 Mcgral18

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Posted 26 June 2015 - 02:15 PM

With the advent of non Terribad construction Clam robots, we get the opportunity to do things with Clam tech that were previously off limits due to actually following TT rules.

The Hunch IIC, at 50 tons, when stripped of all equipment including DHS and JJs, while also maxed of armour, gets a nice 27.5 tons of pod space.

Upgrading to Ferro gives you 29 tons, then stripping both arms completely and a few extra points, lets you take an impressive 31 tons of pod space on a 50 ton robot.


That's with full torso armour, 2B and 2E hardpoints. Other variants will likely be a missile and laser focused, to replace the quad HERLL+2MPL IIC2 laser boat and the ATM36 IIC3.


That's with the stock 200XL engine, which means the same agility as a PeaceDove and moving at 71Kph.


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The early art suggests...perfect Dual Gauss Med.

It has the space for Dual Gauss (or any pair of 12 ton Ballistic) with 7 free tons with that slow engine, and Gauss rifles won't care about lacking TrueDubs.


As a superior Battlemech, it will be able to change structure and engine.


Restrictions on those haven't been made clear...so I'll go with TT rules for now; they offer some restrictions while also offering plenty of choice. Also be a clear difference to IS robots and Clams alike.


Next engine up using those rules is a 250, same as the Nova (or Timby) for agility, while retaining the same armour stripping as above, can have 28 tons of pod space, and 10 TrueDubs.

UAC10s are the largest pair of ballistics you should take at this point, 5.5 tons of ammo, 1 JJ, 2 ERMLs sort of thing. Or, one large ballistic, ERLLs or MPLs, but that leaves a fair bit of pod space left; 2 CT E hardpoints prevents a pair of LPLs on the IIC, while the IIC2 should have plenty of space for lazors.


Next step up would be the 300XL, costing another 3 tons, bringing the total to 25 tons while running 107 Kph (Cute Fox agility...Crow is still better because dem 25% quirks).

The normal IIC probably shouldn't go this route, but a single large ballistic still works, and the energy boat gains the extra 4 slots because 2 engine slots for DHS.

A striker build with UAC20, 6 tons of ammo, 2 MPLs and 2 DHS, with a TC1 to help things along could work.


I don't imagine these will get hardpoint inflation; PGI will be creating the other two Hunches, and one has 6 E hardpoints, while the other has 3M 2E stock.



Lack of quirks and lack of hardpoints...still make this a pretty fearsome thing at a glance. Even Assault level agility isn't that significant, as it can at least stick with the group, unlike a Whale.
Dual Gauss will be fairly fragile, as the 5 HP Gauss will explode as soon as it's exposed...but a 50 ton effective Dual Gauss mech, that doesn't strip important parts, is pretty big.

#2 Bishop Steiner

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Posted 26 June 2015 - 02:16 PM

Too slow, Fast Drawl McGral! mwahahahaha!!!!!! :P

#3 Gas Guzzler

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Posted 26 June 2015 - 02:21 PM

71 kph is plenty fast to poptart with high mounted dual gauss, don't worry Bishop ;)


Highlanders had to make due with 64 back in their day, and even then only if you owuld take the XL

#4 Mcgral18

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Posted 26 June 2015 - 02:21 PM

View PostBishop Steiner, on 26 June 2015 - 02:16 PM, said:

Too slow, Fast Drawl McGral! mwahahahaha!!!!!! :P


But...mine has Maths and stuffs.

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Posted 26 June 2015 - 02:23 PM

View PostBishop Steiner, on 26 June 2015 - 02:16 PM, said:

Too slow, Fast Drawl McGral! mwahahahaha!!!!!! :P

View PostMcgral18, on 26 June 2015 - 02:21 PM, said:


But...mine has Maths and stuffs.


OH that's what you meant.

#6 Otto Cannon

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Posted 26 June 2015 - 02:25 PM

Can't unsee the angry face with cannons for eyes...

#7 Bishop Steiner

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Posted 26 June 2015 - 02:28 PM

View PostOtto Cannon, on 26 June 2015 - 02:25 PM, said:

Can't unsee the angry face with cannons for eyes...

COOKIE MONSTER!!!!!!


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Posted 26 June 2015 - 02:30 PM

View PostBishop Steiner, on 26 June 2015 - 02:28 PM, said:

COOKIE MONSTER!!!!!!



i see your cookie monster and raise you..... (warning, nsfw :D )
Spoiler

Edited by cSand, 26 June 2015 - 02:32 PM.


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Posted 26 June 2015 - 02:42 PM

I'd build mine to go at least 89 kph, because seriously a 50 tonner going at 85 ton Warhawk speeds is just derpy.

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Posted 26 June 2015 - 02:43 PM

Phun. More powahcreeping. So much phun...really looking forward.

#11 Mcgral18

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Posted 26 June 2015 - 02:45 PM

View PostFupDup, on 26 June 2015 - 02:42 PM, said:

I'd build mine to go at least 89 kph, because seriously a 50 tonner going at 85 ton Warhawk speeds is just derpy.


CW mainly; or LB40x because why not?
It's known for Dual Dakka, so some people might be sad going with a single Dakka, with lots of ammo and MPLs.

Dual 10 might still be alright, but you get to a point of...what do you do with the tonnage, and lack of hardpoints?


The Energy boat could do top engine easily, and probably the missile as well, due to lack of hardpoints (6E VS 3M2E)

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Posted 26 June 2015 - 02:46 PM

View PostMcgral18, on 26 June 2015 - 02:45 PM, said:


CW mainly; or LB40x because why not?
It's known for Dual Dakka, so some people might be sad going with a single Dakka, with lots of ammo and MPLs.

Dual 10 might still be alright, but you get to a point of...what do you do with the tonnage, and lack of hardpoints?


The Energy boat could do top engine easily, and probably the missile as well, due to lack of hardpoints (6E VS 3M2E)

I'm thinking...

2 UAC/10 + 2 ERSL
2 UAC/5 + 2 MPL
Gauss + 2 ERLL
etc.

#13 C E Dwyer

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Posted 26 June 2015 - 03:15 PM

29 tonnes 24 used up with twin gauss 2 with erml's three tonnes of ammo five if you strip the armour off the arms or don't bother with the erml's

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Posted 26 June 2015 - 03:24 PM

View PostFupDup, on 26 June 2015 - 02:42 PM, said:

I'd build mine to go at least 89 kph, because seriously a 50 tonner going at 85 ton Warhawk speeds is just derpy.


Yeah, this. Seriously.



It's a bit mind boggling that so many are excited to run a 50T mech at 71kph.




The Clans have a viable Dual Gauss platform right now.

It has excellent mount locations, it travels 89kph, it can strip the hell out of one side for tonnage.



What do I see? I see people running it with Gauss + CERMLAS, because it's the better build.

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Posted 26 June 2015 - 03:28 PM

View PostUltimatum X, on 26 June 2015 - 03:24 PM, said:


Yeah, this. Seriously.



It's a bit mind boggling that so many are excited to run a 50T mech at 71kph.




The Clans have a viable Dual Gauss platform right now.

It has excellent mount locations, it travels 89kph, it can strip the hell out of one side for tonnage.

What do I see? I see people running it with Gauss + CERMLAS, because it's the better build.

I run my Dual Goose version with 3 bonus ERSL in the LT as backup. I'm such a hipster. :P

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Posted 26 June 2015 - 03:40 PM

View PostFupDup, on 26 June 2015 - 03:28 PM, said:

I run my Dual Goose version with 3 bonus ERSL in the LT as backup. I'm such a hipster. :P


If you are feeling particularly bold you can strip the LT armor down quite a bit.

Aside from it being rare for anyone who knows the game to purposefully target there (since it contains 3 CERSLAS) - the EBJ CT tends to take fire even when torso twisting anyway.

Edited by Ultimatum X, 26 June 2015 - 03:40 PM.


#17 Mcgral18

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Posted 26 June 2015 - 03:41 PM

View PostUltimatum X, on 26 June 2015 - 03:24 PM, said:


Yeah, this. Seriously.



It's a bit mind boggling that so many are excited to run a 50T mech at 71kph.




The Clans have a viable Dual Gauss platform right now.

It has excellent mount locations, it travels 89kph, it can strip the hell out of one side for tonnage.



What do I see? I see people running it with Gauss + CERMLAS, because it's the better build.


Better?

It has 2 CT E slots; not much. Run with the max engine, probably a 275.


That leaves you with 26.5 tons of pod space, 2 CT E mounts, and 2 B mounts. Arms can be maxed for -1.5 tons

Not enough for Dual 10s, dual 5s?

Or just dual ERLLs with a Gauss?



It doesn't do very much very well, hardpoints ensure that.

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Posted 26 June 2015 - 03:43 PM

he is adorable
but what are these double holes in his shoulder mount, afaik he has only 1 ballistic 1 energy slot per torso

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upd... or, i'm stupid, clam ac-20 has double barrel -_-

Edited by bad arcade kitty, 26 June 2015 - 03:44 PM.


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Posted 26 June 2015 - 03:43 PM

View Postbad arcade kitty, on 26 June 2015 - 03:43 PM, said:

he is adorable
but what are these double holes in his shoulder mount, afaik he has only 1 ballistic 1 energy slot per torso

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Mount a UAC/20 on any Clan mech, and you'll see that it has 2 barrels.

Also, the 2 lasers are in the CT actually.

Edited by FupDup, 26 June 2015 - 03:45 PM.


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Posted 26 June 2015 - 05:11 PM

View PostMcgral18, on 26 June 2015 - 02:45 PM, said:


CW mainly; or LB40x because why not?
It's known for Dual Dakka, so some people might be sad going with a single Dakka, with lots of ammo and MPLs.

Dual 10 might still be alright, but you get to a point of...what do you do with the tonnage, and lack of hardpoints?


The Energy boat could do top engine easily, and probably the missile as well, due to lack of hardpoints (6E VS 3M2E)


If the guns don't jam that's a 40 damage double tap on the dual uac10....which isn't bad.





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