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Alan Davion, on 30 June 2015 - 11:32 AM, said:

Okay, so about 3500 people that actually visit the forums voted in that, going with the same hypothetical 20,000 total players, that's still only, what, maybe 15% of the total players? My math-fu is failing me on this one for some reason.

It's not your math-fu that's failing, it's your statistics-fu.

There's really no reason to assume the percentage spread would differ between the population at large and the forum-posting population, even if the absolute numbers would have of course been larger.

[Alan Davion]

stjobe, on 30 June 2015 - 12:02 PM, said:

It's not your math-fu that's failing, it's your statistics-fu.

There's really no reason to assume the percentage spread would differ between the population at large and the forum-posting population, even if the absolute numbers would have of course been larger.

Math was never my strongest subject. The 20k player-base number was just a W.A.G. out of left-field anyway.

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Alan Davion, on 30 June 2015 - 12:04 PM, said:

Math was never my strongest subject. The 20k player-base number was just a W.A.G. out of left-field anyway.

The player-base total really doesn't matter; what matters are the percentages, and as I said there's no real reason to believe that those would change dramatically in the full population as opposed to the forum-going population.

We're a diverse lot, as can be evidenced in just about every single thread - but in the 3PV poll, 91% of us agreed it was neither wanted nor needed.

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Alan Davion, on 30 June 2015 - 11:01 AM, said:

That still begs the question, how many people, at the time of that poll, did not visit the forums?

For all we know, that could still be a "minority" of the entire playerbase. Just for Ss&Gs, let's say there were 20,000 people that played the game at the time of the poll, with only say 2000 people using the forums. With that math, that 85% of the forum users becomes maybe 10% of the overall playerbase.

The above is a hypothetical example, but for all we know, to IGP and PGI, with access to actual overall player base and forum usage, that could very well be why 3pv was put into the game.

That's an issue with any sort of polling - whether it be governmental elections, or a corporate action requiring the approval of "x"-number or "y"-percentage of the outstanding shares, or video game players voicing their opinion over a proposed feature.

A large part of any sort of statistical analysis is ensuring that there is a sufficiently-large sample size to believe that the sample could reasonably represent the population on a broader scale.

[FupDup]

Having a polling mechanism integrated into the game's launcher would help reduce the fear of under-representation.

[Roadkill]

Almond Brown, on 30 June 2015 - 10:38 AM, said:

3PV turned out as the Dev stated it would, a non issue

It only became a non-issue because of the {scrap}storm that we raised on the forums. Multiple versions that they talked about would have been horribly OP. The forum rage accomplished 4 major changes:

1. The visible drone/red light floating above any Mech using 3PV was added to identify 3PV users.

2. The height of the camera above the 3PV Mech was lowered significantly so that it couldn't be used to see over hills as easily.

3. The HUD was removed while in 3PV mode so that users in 1PV would have a distinct advantage in combat.

4. A delay was added when toggling between 1PV/3PV (basically, the animated the drone launching/landing) so that it couldn't be as easily used to peak/jump/snipe.

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Alan Davion, on 30 June 2015 - 12:04 PM, said:

Math was never my strongest subject. The 20k player-base number was just a W.A.G. out of left-field anyway.

Your math was fine (enough).

He's pointing out that according to statistics, it doesn't really matter how many actual players there are. If 91% of forum users voted a certain way, statistics say that 91% (or thereabouts, depending on desired level of confidence) of all players are likely to vote that same way. The larger the sample size - in this case your 15% (or so) - the more likely it is that the vote actually does represent the entire population. From a statistics perspective, a 15% sample size is very large, which means that there's a very good chance that the vote was an accurate representation of what the entire population felt.

PGI's claim that the vote was a small, vocal minority failed basic statistics.

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Whenever there are surveys of any kind, the typical percentage of people who actually respond voluntarily is somewhere around 10% I believe. PGI should have been very confident about their 15% rate. I too remember the flaming that was going on over 3PV. I really think that we sort of have the best of both orlds. PGI or IGP . . . whoever REALLY wanted it, got their 3pv, and the players got something that not only wasn't overpowered, which was the worry, but got something that was so terribly underpowered that no one uses it once they get used to the mech controls.

Although, I did just use it at the beginning of a drop to admire my new paint job. Then I turned it off so I could fight.

Edited by mailin, 30 June 2015 - 01:17 PM.

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Almond Brown, on 30 June 2015 - 10:38 AM, said:

And it was also the beginning of the end for the Devs to ever listen the Forum goers again. 3PV turned out as the Dev stated it would, a non issue, and yet, the QQ crew would not let go of their precious bone. We have paid for it ever since.

Besides, it was told that IGP was the real reason it really went in despite everything.

/thread

[TexAce]

You old ***** are still butthurt about 3PV....???

jeez

let it go....

Aethon, on 30 June 2015 - 08:46 AM, said:

Nothing is unthinkable with PigGI. Going back on promises, introducing things that make no sense...even holding polls, then ignoring their results when they do not go their way. This, my good sir, is the PigGI way.

Honestly, though, the IIC mechs will make little difference in my gameplay, if I ever patch the game and play again; I play IS mechs almost all the time anyway. Highlander IIC excluded, of course.

why are you still here anyway?
Just to moan about years old stuff?

Edited by Big Black Wolf, 30 June 2015 - 03:21 PM.

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Christof Romulus, on 30 June 2015 - 07:52 AM, said:

I came to the mwomercs website and saw, what can only be described as, the unthinkable.

Clan Battlemechs.

I'm just going to skip the tirade and jump straight to the point:

I want the Devastator announced. Now. No more excuses. Now.

would you still want it if the stock weapons were hard wired to the mech ?

[Aethon]

Big Black Wolf, on 30 June 2015 - 03:20 PM, said:

You old ***** are still butthurt about 3PV....???

jeez

let it go....


why are you still here anyway?
Just to moan about years old stuff?

Keeping an eye on things, hoping it might be worth coming back sometime soon.

As a hardcore Battletech fan, it is hard to stop observing the only active title in the franchise; finding people to play MWLL and MegaMek is not always easy.