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[Mardek]

can we have this for the anniversary? pretty pretty pls?



http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Piranha

[FupDup]

That's 100% more devastation than the 6MG Spider.

[Mardek]

FupDup, on 05 July 2015 - 07:31 AM, said:

That's 100% more devastation than the 6MG Spider.

and why should it be a bad thing?

[One Medic Army]

I'd be so sad. Because in TT that thing is an unholy terror with the equivalent of 2 heat-free SRM6s when it comes to damage output. In MWO it'd be complete garbage.

[FupDup]

One Medic Army, on 05 July 2015 - 07:54 AM, said:

I'd be so sad. Because in TT that thing is an unholy terror with the equivalent of 2 heat-free SRM6s when it comes to damage output. In MWO it'd be complete garbage.

Maybe it's finally time for MG buffs?

...Or just +7.5% MG RoF quirks, because PGI seems more likely to do that instead.

[GeistHrafn]

+1. Want. Shut up and take my C-bills!

[Juodas Varnas]

Just imagine how hard it'll be to see through all that muzzle flash!
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I might even pick it up as my first Clan mech, ahahahha. Maybe. Eh, probably not.

[One Medic Army]

Ozealot, on 05 July 2015 - 08:08 AM, said:

Because 9,6 dps are totally awful for a 20 ton Mech, I get it. Oh, I forgot to count the ERMLs and the ERSL into that... so you can add about 2,2 dps... 11,8 dps. Ya, so sad... that there is not enough space for moar ammo. Moar.

DPS numbers for MGs are hugely inflated over actual effectiveness.

No range, large cone spread, requires 100% facetime. Yeah, there's a reason why we're not currently cowering in terror of MG lights. Piranha won't change that.

[Coralld]

I'd love to see this mech in game, hell, I would buy it straight away. However there is still the issue of the MGs being very bad with the large nerfs they were given. The biggest problem for MGs in my opinion is the fact that not only do you have to stair at the target the entire time but it also has a cone of fire, so even when your firing away your rounds are going all over the place. Remove the cone of fire for MGs and see where the weapon falls on the balance scale after that. If more needs to be done then we can buff up its damage a bit, at least against internal structure and equipment.

Edited by Coralld, 05 July 2015 - 08:42 AM.

[One Medic Army]

Ozealot, on 05 July 2015 - 08:23 AM, said:

*dusts off his Ember...

Ya, I get it. Facetime with Lights is bad because... oh well... uhm, you do the twist in XL lights? Well, you are the founder here. And that cone spread is heavily affecting what I do hit when within touching distance, where I can evade the enemy firing angle best. That's Fugdup. Lmao.

FaceTime is bad in every mech. It's the primary reason the Huginn is balanced despite having a DPS of over 17 accounting for fastfire, cooldown module, and quirks. And those are Artemis SRM4s which have longer range, spread less, and impede the ability to return fire.

Also only bad light pilots rely on face hugging to deal damage/avoid return fire.

Edited by One Medic Army, 05 July 2015 - 08:44 AM.

[Hit the Deck]

Let PGI make this unique 'Mech so we could get a chance for MG buff/rework.

[Bulletsponge0]

FupDup, on 05 July 2015 - 07:57 AM, said:

Maybe it's finally time for MG buffs?

...Or just +7.5% AMS RoF quirks, because PGI seems more likely to do that instead.

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[Juodas Varnas]

Hit the Deck, on 05 July 2015 - 08:44 AM, said:

Let PGI make this unique 'Mech so we could get a chance for MG buff/rework.

I do think, this mech could get the Urbie's treatment of a standalone pack.

I'm sure Clan scum would appreciate something like this.

[Mardek]

Hit the Deck, on 05 July 2015 - 08:44 AM, said:

Let PGI make this unique 'Mech so we could get a chance for MG buff/rework.

Also you can mount a large laser on the CT and scream UNIBEAM every time you shoot xD

[IraqiWalker]

Mardek, on 05 July 2015 - 07:30 AM, said:

can we have this for the anniversary? pretty pretty pls?



http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Piranha

No lies. I have had dreams about this mech in MW:O. So much fun.

FupDup, on 05 July 2015 - 07:31 AM, said:

That's 100% more devastation than the 6MG Spider.

There is no 6MG spider in the game (the K has 4). I think you meant 6 MG Jagermech, and 6 MG Arrow.

[aniviron]

IraqiWalker, on 05 July 2015 - 09:22 AM, said:

There is no 6MG spider in the game (the K has 4). I think you meant 6 MG Jagermech, and 6 MG Arrow.

He knows, he's making fun of PGI who once claimed the mythical 6MG spider coring and killing assaults in seconds as the reason they wouldn't buff MGs.

Some people may forget, but the forums as a whole, they never do.

[IraqiWalker]

aniviron, on 05 July 2015 - 09:34 AM, said:

He knows, he's making fun of PGI who once claimed the mythical 6MG spider coring and killing assaults in seconds as the reason they wouldn't buff MGs.

Some people may forget, but the forums as a whole, they never do.

I wonder how they would feel about this 6 MG King Crab?

KGC-000

[Mekanïk Destruktïw Kommandöh]

Dear Santan....

[Aim64C]

Ozealot, on 05 July 2015 - 08:53 AM, said:

Of course the Huginn is balanced. You can ask everyone who has one how balanced it is.

You mean the melted slag on the floor?

Or the gangly thing running around like an idiot after his team has been wiped out?

That generally describes the state in which I recognize the Huginn. I've had a few Ravens, in general, try for a rear torso SRM kill, but they have to work at it pretty hard, and I have to more or less be inviting it by being separated enough from the team to make it worth more than a couple love-taps from them.

Not saying it can't be an effective build - but that since the metric for balance seems to be whether or not one can pilot a light to get as much damage and kills as an assault - I'd agree with the statement that it is balanced and it is other light mechs that can't do this that are not balanced so long as we are remaining within that definition.

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Aside from that SRMs still have heat output, so I doubt you will reach that 17 dps, but I don't care enough to check it. Oh, and apparently not only bad light pilots rely on avoiding enemy fire by closing distance, because I do too. And when they do, they can't be that bad at all.

12 MGs just wouldn't be all that effective, honestly.

They would certainly have their moments, but MGs are more of a 'force multiplier.' The only reason my locust is even remotely effective when it does have a good day is because 'teamwork' is ensuring the enemy is not paying attention to the locust that is darting around and shooting at it with MGs like rambo incarnate.

It doesn't have the firepower to chew through rear armor except on platforms that are often just as maneuverable as it is (and is under-armored in comparison to). While the Piranha would have fewer issues with this, since it has roughly 3x the power of a 4mg locust, it would lack much of the practical firepower of a design using small pulse lasers.

Though on a map like terra therma, where there are quite a few people overheating or unable to use some of their more powerful weapons without overheating, it would most certainly be more effective, provided it can maneuver into position.

Not saying it wouldn't be fun. That little thing looks like it'd be a blast.

I just wouldn't expect it to be very effective, as it would be very reliant upon having a team that keeps the enemy from paying attention to you as you shower them in bullets.

[Aim64C]

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Mekanïk Destruktïw Kommandöh, on 05 July 2015 - 09:41 AM, said:

Dear Santan....

... LMAO - who the hell thinks of this stuff?