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[Shad0wsFury]

wfischer, on 08 July 2015 - 08:54 AM, said:

Sounds like you should've joined a better unit.
[/flame]

Well played sir, well played indeed!

[Crockdaddy]

wfischer, on 08 July 2015 - 08:54 AM, said:

Sounds like you should've joined a better unit.
[/flame]

His unit RRB was in fact successful during the event and a US centric unit. It did suck a bit on the 4th but much of our unit was off on Friday. All holidays are at times good at times bad for events. Kinda hard to judge how people will receive it. No biggy.

[Wild_Alaskan]

Crockdaddy, on 08 July 2015 - 09:32 AM, said:

His unit RRB was in fact successful during the event and a US centric unit. It did suck a bit on the 4th but much of our unit was off on Friday. All holidays are at times good at times bad for events. Kinda hard to judge how people will receive it. No biggy.

I wasn't REALLY flaming him, it was more of a friendly poke. I don't have enough heat sinks for all the real flaming that's been going around lately.

[Damon Howe]

Shad0wsFury, on 08 July 2015 - 03:52 AM, said:

'Murica.

As an average American who likes football, loves BBQ and sets off fireworks and guns whenever I can afford it, I can say I did none of that nor spend time with family this holiday and played MWO.

Why?

Simply put, I work at a job that requires me to play babysitter for everyone who IS doing the things I love and making sure they don't break the rules, our facilities, or each other. So I was up til midnight on the fourth chasing down people setting off fireworks illegally. After all the fun of the night shift all I wanted to do was sit back and blow virtual stuff up. Furthermore, family is simply too far away (nearest relative is 3 hours from me) and I'm new to the area so I have no real friends yet to hang out with.

So just remember - some don't celebrate because they're not in the USA - others don't because they don't have the opportunity this year.

[Crockdaddy]

wfischer, on 08 July 2015 - 09:36 AM, said:

I wasn't REALLY flaming him, it was more of a friendly poke. I don't have enough heat sinks for all the real flaming that's been going around lately.

I know. The /flame told me the sarcasm. I just happened to know about him and RRB.

[Dracol]

QueenBlade, on 08 July 2015 - 08:16 AM, said:

How QueenBlade won the Hardcore CW challenge...

It all started with what appeared as an issue with PGI's algorithm on determining planetary conquest score. Wednesday, we lost control of a planet called Nox. KCom came to its defense and was rewarded with the tag and a point, but we lost a point.
Nox was taken prior to the event.

I surfed quickly to the tournaments page and looked it up and down but could not find any indication that planets tagged prior to the event would be included. Off to mwomercs to post up what I thought was, a bug. I also submitted a ticket over to support. Then to my disappointing eyes, it only took four words. "This is as designed..." -Tina

Confused with such a response I was then over joyed and rushed over to the IS map because thanks to this "design" I would finally be able to strategize and make things happen in-game from outside of the game. Looking around for ways to manipulate the leaderboard. Taking things into consideration like attack lanes, possible points, man power, and active units/factions. I formulated a plan to keep any Clan unit not CJF from running away with the planetary conquest leaderboard.

Contacting other factions and units, setting up battles to change planet tags, negating much of anyone's gains as they completely ignored attacking and slowing down the units ahead of them.

This here actually sounds like what community warfare is suppose to be about, in my opinion. The large strategy. Something more then just random forces on a field of battle. I will say this, would have been nice if the rules were comprehensive and included the info from the get go.

The rest of your post QueenBlade, there is one point I want to emphisize:

QueenBlade, on 08 July 2015 - 08:16 AM, said:

As 228 captured 5 planets with nothing but Ghost Drops (2 Wolf, 2 Smoke Jaguar, 1 Ghost Bear). To put it into perspective, it takes 13 Ghost Drops to put a planet into a capture state. That is 65 drops. 65 drops if contested would of landed our unit anywhere from 780 - 1560 event points. Ghost Drops is the Clanner's first line of defense.

The ghost drops against clan planets. Not a fault of PGI's in my opinion. Its the end effect of all major Clan Loyalist Units maintaining their mutual cease fire. Being an outsider, a merc, you have little influence over that condition. From the inception of CW, the Clan Loyalist Units have been fighting hard to remove Clan v Clan conflicts.

You came into CW to play an event and seem disappointed you had minimal impact. You were late to the game you hoped to play, a game players serious about their faction have been playing since the start of CW.

Oh and your statement "You claim you are all battletech fans through and through, yet you forgot something. Your ability to play the game outside of the game." Ya, the die hard battletech fans understand that Clan v Clan conflict is something to avoid. Betraying that in the name of an event is dishonorable in their eyes. They have been playing the game outside the game from the start.

Hmmm.. thinking about it, treacherous Jade Falcons manipulating behind the scenes while the Wolves keep focused on the main objective, Clan dominance over the IS. Sounds like the event was spiritually akin to the lore.

Edited by Dracol, 08 July 2015 - 11:17 AM.

[Necromantion]

QueenBlade, on 08 July 2015 - 08:16 AM, said:

At the end of the day, the fault lays at PGI's feet.

Since it is not really a gamplay mechanic I am not going to raise a huge fuss over this however I am irked in ways due to the fact that you knowingly manipulated a borked event mechanic.

Why am I irked? Because of hours of coordinated drops between units in faction and taking multiple planets 2-5 some evenings with hours of drops our wins were countered by ghost drops on planets not obtained during the event.

Ah well, it is what it is.

[pwnface]

Necromantion, on 08 July 2015 - 11:21 AM, said:

Since it is not really a gamplay mechanic I am not going to raise a huge fuss over this however I am irked in ways due to the fact that you knowingly manipulated a borked event mechanic.

Why am I irked? Because of hours of coordinated drops between units in faction and taking multiple planets 2-5 some evenings with hours of drops our wins were countered by ghost drops on planets not obtained during the event.

Ah well, it is what it is.

To be fair, they did ask PGI if this was the correct behavior for the leaderboard/tournament and they replied with "Working as intended". They did what they had to do to win within the confines of the rules. I'd be pretty upset too if I were in MS shoes but the blame lies solely on PGI for not thinking this issue through.

[Deathlike]

http://mwomercs.com/...02#entry4538302

It was confirmed "working as intended", and people played on as such.

[Necromantion]

Oh im well aware Tina said that but it would have been nice to know prior to the event starting if this was intended as their wording in the event implied the total opposite!

[sdsnowbum]

QueenBlade, on 08 July 2015 - 08:16 AM, said:

How QueenBlade won the Hardcore CW challenge...

<snip>

At the end of the day, the fault lays at PGI's feet.

Really don't understand why anyone is complaining.

You saw what was needed to win, you did it, and you won.

Is that not the very essence of a comp team?

Edited by sdsnowbum, 08 July 2015 - 11:53 AM.

[Starwulfe]

Rattazustra, on 08 July 2015 - 06:38 AM, said:

When an event is boring and pointless, it is not Mercstar, 228, KCOM, or SWOL that are to blame. Quite the contrary. They do what is logical to do and they succeed with it. Numbers make it easy, but it is not their fault they got the numbers. Honour to the victors.

Just a point of correction: KCom is not a large unit. We do not have 100's of members. We have 30ish. Many times we had only one partial to full group running. Our highest drop numbers were around 16 members. There was nothing 'easy' about what we push ourselves to do to accomplish what we did at Tukayyid and the hardcore CW event.

Edited by Starwulfe, 08 July 2015 - 12:27 PM.

[Rattazustra]

Well, that is not apoint of correction, because I never said you were a large unit to begin with.

KCOM is the exception to the rule here and I mentioned that there was a critical mass point for activity and skill. That is truly exceptional and I salute you. The rule in this tournament seemed to be something else, though.

[Tiamat of the Sea]

Frankly, if this event was performed to demonstrate that larger units are somehow gaining an excessive advantage in Community Warfare, it should be marked as a total failure: the criteria for performance in the event very specifically cater to the advantages of a larger unit to begin with.

With the rewards system being skewed in favor of units that are able to get more total play-hours in this severely, the event has not actually proven anything beyond that more people can play more games in the same amount of real life time. (If you did not already know this, or have the ability to figure it out yourself, you are suffering from a severe failure of reasoning ability.)

Edited by Quickdraw Crobat, 08 July 2015 - 04:07 PM.

[Deathlike]

Quickdraw Crobat, on 08 July 2015 - 04:06 PM, said:

Frankly, if this event was performed to demonstrate that larger units are somehow gaining an excessive advantage in Community Warfare, it should be marked as a total failure: the criteria for performance in the event very specifically cater to the advantages of a larger unit to begin with.

With the rewards system being skewed in favor of units that are able to get more total play-hours in this severely, the event has not actually proven anything beyond that more people can play more games in the same amount of real life time. (If you did not already know this, or have the ability to figure it out yourself, you are suffering from a severe failure of reasoning ability.)

Then, explain Marik.

Seriously, while even if your supposition may sound like a conspiracy theory, there were flawed mechanics long before knowing bigger units had the upper hand. It also automatically handicapped smaller units to boot.

[Tiamat of the Sea]

Nah, I don't think it's a conspiracy theory, I think it's a flawed event idea. A mistake, if you will.

I tend to operate by Hanlon's Razor:

Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity.




Remember, everyone's a little dumb now and then.

Edited by Quickdraw Crobat, 08 July 2015 - 04:57 PM.

[Deathlike]

Quickdraw Crobat, on 08 July 2015 - 04:56 PM, said:

Nah, I don't think it's a conspiracy theory, I think it's a flawed event idea. A mistake, if you will.

I tend to operate by Hanlon's Razor:

Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity.




Remember, everyone's a little dumb now and then.

I'm fine with the idea that it wasn't malice. Stupidity is the name of the game.. or in this case an event.

Edited by Deathlike, 08 July 2015 - 05:04 PM.

[MechWarrior3671771]

"Murica isn't the world. Its holiday schedules shouldn't warrant special consideration, especially for a Canadian games manufacturer"

Actually no, America is still (barely) the world. The rest of you only exist with our explicit permission. Enjoy it while it lasts, because if you think the US is bad, just wait till you see what follows...

That said, if the majority of your customer base is in one country, it would be wise to cater to them.

[Sable]

Jimmy DiGriz, on 08 July 2015 - 04:09 AM, said:

@Apogee - 2. Murica isn't the world. Deal with it.

What a tremendously unpleasant way to put it! I am not from the US and have no allegiance to it but, really? Was it necessary to be so unpleasant when Shad0wsFury had made a reasonable point about an event being held over a Holiday weekend which is focussed on family? Just try to be kind.

Sorry but american IS the world. What isn't an official part of america desperately wants to be like it. Haters gonna hate but you know you want it.

[Jumping Gigolo]

After playing CW for at least 6 hrs every night for the entire event (with 1 day played 14 hrs straight!) and constantly bribing my wife by doing household choirs and let her shop like she's in her 20's for her to let me play MWO for extended hours at night, I finally got a Faction Mug and a naked Hula Girl! woooohoooo!

Oh wait... the hula girl is not naked!!! NNNNOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!

Edited by Jumping Gigolo, 12 July 2015 - 12:41 AM.