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[0rionsbane]

so let me get this straight, a minor graphical/sound change and trees being destructible (wich mwLL did years ago) is enough to make you feel immersed by having a mech that magically appeared with 11 other mechs on a planet around a city that is not named on a nameless planet fighting 12 other mechs over what i assume is territory but we really dont even know that.

I feel your level of immersion is quite shallow, but it is a improvement nonetheless.

Edited by 0rionsbane, 08 July 2015 - 11:36 PM.

[Alistair Winter]

Navid A1, on 08 July 2015 - 10:14 PM, said:

Don't know about you alistair, but that immersion factor slowly changed to an annoying factor in the first couple of hours... clang, dang, clong... all the time. Its a bit over-done.
Also, footstep sounds were there from the very very beginning.!

I wouldn't say it's over-done. I don't feel any sounds should be removed. But many of the sounds in MWO are poorly done and should be either replaced or supplemented by a bunch of other sounds.

I know footstep sounds were there from the beginning.

CptGier, on 08 July 2015 - 11:05 PM, said:

To much CoD with mechs and to litlte Mechwarrior...no way to really get immersed in it.
Id find it much more immersive to just be with a litlte 4 man lance doing a PVE coop campaign. Where we can move tactically and its not all just wash rinse repeat, nascar or corner humping......
Mechcommander 1 I find more immersive...
I was walking through that new river city thinking of various PVE modes and ways that map could really be immersive and its awesome...but actual gameplay on it...was same ol MWO.

Well, I think solo player is the most immersive experience, for sure. I don't ever feel like coop mode is more immersive than regular PVP, in any game I've ever played. As soon as you introduce other players, it's very hard to think of them as part of the universe unless you're actually roleplaying.

0rionsbane, on 08 July 2015 - 11:35 PM, said:

so let me get this straight, a minor graphical/sound change and trees being destructible (wich mwLL did years ago) is enough to make you feel immersed by having a mech that magically appeared with 11 other mechs on a planet around a city that is not named on a nameless planet fighting 12 other mechs over what i assume is territory but we really dont even know that.
I feel your level of immersion is quite shallow, but it is a improvement nonetheless.

You don't really need names for the sake of immersion. A lot of movies and books have main characters you never know the name of. Sometimes you don't know where the story is supposed to take place either.

The minor change in itself isn't enough for immersion, but this game was doing a lot of things right already. The cockpits, the map design (I'm talking in purely aesthetical terms on the micro level, not game balance and not that the landscapes look realistic as a whole), the animations. MW:LL will never be as immersive in a close range encounter, simply due to the fact that the animations are too unrealistic. It may very well be the best Mechwarrior game ever, its maps may look more realistic on the macro level, in terms of having realistic mountains and hills instead of arbitrary walls of rocks that have clearly been put up for balancing reasons, like on MWO maps. But it's very hard to immerse oneself in MW:LL when all the mechs look like they were animated in 1992. Hell, some of the MW2 animations look better than the ones in MW:LL.

The mechs don't magically appear on the new River City, they're inserted via dropships. Unless you want to follow the MechWarrior from he gets up that morning, pours a cup of coffee, puts his neurohelmet on, walks into the mechbay, climbs into his mech, etc, then I'd say this is fine. Naturally, Star Citizen has almost every FPS game beat in terms of immersion. It will actually have that level of immersion, which is pretty crazy.

With the level of resources PGI has available, I don't think there's any way around the game mechanics of equally big teams dropping equally far from game objectives on a fairly symmetrical map. There's no point complaining about that, so I feel that to say it detracts from my immersion is like complaining that the maps have borders and we're not playing on infinite maps that stretch across a whole Earth-sized planet. Quentin Tarantino made a similar point when discussing suspension of belief in his movies. At some level, the viewer never forgets that he's watching a movie, he said. At least he has never really been so immersed that he actually truly believed he was watching a real event. So he doesn't worry too much about breaking the 'immersion' at times, for the sake of telling a better story.

[White Bear 84]

CptGier, on 08 July 2015 - 11:05 PM, said:

Id find it much more immersive to just be with a litlte 4 man lance doing a PVE coop campaign. Where we can move tactically and its not all just wash rinse repeat, nascar or corner humping......

Our unit did 4 v 4 matches last night with lights and mediums to explore the map and they actually turned out to be some really fun battles! Always in different locations, fun out comes and good tactical maneuvering.

Scouting/alt missions on maps like this for CW would be cool. (Objective, check the following locations for enemy mechs or locate VIP missions, scout city defenses and neutralise e.g. 4v4 with random turrets or anti air guns around the city etc etc)

[Joseph Mallan]

ShadowWolf Kell, on 08 July 2015 - 06:32 PM, said:

It was... sorta. But then they fixed the EBJ death animation. Now it's back in limbo.

You mean they broke the EBJ's Break Dancing ability? How sad!

[Troutmonkey]

I have to say the new River City Redux is simply great. The fact that you're airlifted in makes a world of difference. Add to that with destructible terrain and a day/night city and you're set. Can't wait for every map to be this polished

[MeiSooHaityu]

The new River City is amazing. It's not just the destructible terrain, or the clangs of charging mechs, it's also the drop ship delivering you to the battlefield (all CW style).

Plus, the weird color filter is gone and the map is vibrant and colorful.

It's a stunning map with a lot of immersion. I can't wait to see the new Forrest Colony!

[Lugh]

White Bear 84, on 08 July 2015 - 07:42 PM, said:

PGI starting to take advantage of the engine more!

The old maps were so standard/simple in comparison to the new river city, I mean even just enhancing the textures and water effects is one thing, but adding day/night cycle and better environmental effects e.g. lighting/smoke have really really upped the bar.

And tree's actually have the potential to offer cover now - since they are shootable objects.. ..imagine the luck if you are a light ducking through trees and that one ac20 shot that could have killed you, instead shoots down a tree! booyah!

Really riding the RC wave though, there could be issues and room for improvement such as the FPS drops, but it really is a much much higher standard. Exceptionally excited for the new forest colony and frozen city maps, it is the kind of improvement and level of quality that will bring players back to the game

Trees do not offer cover according to the patch notes.

[TWIAFU]

White Bear 84, on 08 July 2015 - 07:42 PM, said:

PGI starting to take advantage of the engine more!

The old maps were so standard/simple in comparison to the new river city, I mean even just enhancing the textures and water effects is one thing, but adding day/night cycle and better environmental effects e.g. lighting/smoke have really really upped the bar.

And tree's actually have the potential to offer cover now - since they are shootable objects.. ..imagine the luck if you are a light ducking through trees and that one ac20 shot that could have killed you, instead shoots down a tree! booyah!

Really riding the RC wave though, there could be issues and room for improvement such as the FPS drops, but it really is a much much higher standard. Exceptionally excited for the new forest colony and frozen city maps, it is the kind of improvement and level of quality that will bring players back to the game

Here, here!

They have really outdone themselves with RC! Like many have said, the new sounds/sights are small additions but add a lot to the game.

I am very excited to see the other maps get this treatment.

Well done PGI, you have set the standard for maps in MWO. Keep it up!

[White Bear 84]

Lugh, on 09 July 2015 - 04:16 AM, said:

Trees do not offer cover according to the patch notes.

Yup.. ..paragraph redacted.. ..would be cool if they did though!

[DONTOR]

IMMERSION!!!!!!!!!!!

I recently changed my cockpit field of view and that helps alot also!