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[Diablobo]

Now I've gotta get in my Summoner and see how well I can do in it. Sure, it's not as good as some of the others, but it is still fun, and if you use it right, you can do well.

[Bishop Steiner]

Nightingale27, on 11 July 2015 - 11:49 AM, said:

If you want superior survivability, Summoner works out better in terms of Streak boats since it can poptart and spread damage vertically.

poptart streakboats? Now I know you are trolling. Streaks need time to gain locks. Poptarts don't give you that time.

[Light-Speed]

Bishop Steiner, on 11 July 2015 - 01:28 PM, said:

poptart streakboats? Now I know you are trolling. Streaks need time to gain locks. Poptarts don't give you that time.

Which is why it can get frustrating if I come across a team that somehow never locked onto a single enemy nearby (before I jump).

But you can tell me why a Crow or Mad Dog would engage an enemy deathball any better.

p.s. remember my name, and remember that I never troll. Nor do I quite understand the point of doing so.

Edited by Nightingale27, 11 July 2015 - 01:48 PM.

[Rizzelbizzeg]

Every time I go to kit mine out and take them into battle, I eventually lose interest in the options and just play a different mech. I'll probably sell them after I fill my remaining empty mechbays and need more

[Richard Hazen]

Does anyone know what variant this guy piloted?

http://www.sarna.net...Nicolai_Malthus

[Bishop Steiner]

Deimos Alpha, on 11 July 2015 - 01:59 PM, said:

Does anyone know what variant this guy piloted?

http://www.sarna.net...Nicolai_Malthus

Supposedly the M.

Of course, there are none with like 6-8 lasers in the leg as shown in some of the cartoons


the cartoon is not canon though, and the canon version is the "M" packing a C-ERPPC, C-LB-10X, Steak6 and ERSL.

Edited by Bishop Steiner, 11 July 2015 - 02:13 PM.

[ShadowWolf Kell]

Haven't played mine in awhile but with the recent patch I'm positive they can poptart just fine. They were able to prior to the patch, and PPCs are back for the most part.

Other than that, fire support from the back, or play it like a slower medium. I generally play mine like I do my Shadow Hawks. Hit and fade and use my mobility to keep me out of trouble. I've seen people LRM with them but I've honestly never tried LRMing as Clan so can't really give any commentary there.

The rebalance as Russ described it sounds like the Summoner is going to get a huge boost in areas unrelated to firepower, while mechs like the Timber are going to lose agility. Also information warfare which is huge. Summoner might be my go to mech after the pass as the one thing that my HBR lacks and drives me nuts a lot is the mobility that the Summoner has.

The one thing I can say with a fair amount of confidence is that it's going to likely become a popular mech whenever the patch hits the PTS.

The firepower/DPS quirks sounds like they're mostly being pulled as PGI seems to be well aware of what a disaster that was.

Edited by ShadowWolf Kell, 11 July 2015 - 02:10 PM.

[Richard Hazen]

Bishop Steiner, on 11 July 2015 - 02:03 PM, said:

Supposedly the M.

Of course, there are none with like 6-8 lasers in the leg as shown in some of the cartoons


the cartoon is not canon though, and the canon version is the "M" packing a C-ERPPC, C-LB-10X, Steak6 and ERSL.

Could it be represented via moving around omnipods?

[Bishop Steiner]

Deimos Alpha, on 11 July 2015 - 02:19 PM, said:

Could it be represented via moving around omnipods?

not currently

[InspectorG]

mogs01gt, on 11 July 2015 - 08:50 AM, said:

I have over 250 games in my Thor. The more I play it, the more I realize what a waste of time it is to use the mech.

It looses side torsos like crazy
its arm hardpoints are useless on maps with multiple terrain levels(Caustic)
Cant even us it's iconic PPC without over heating or having to boat DHS
has zero DPS when you do use all of hits hardpoints due to no DHS(ac10+4ml's over heats it)
No energy ST hardpoints
I could keep going and going....

Once you own the any other Clan heavy, the Thor is pointless since cookie cutter laser builds simply do not work on it.

I think I'll keep it for a few more months, if its not quirked or if PGI doesnt move its arms up a bit, Im freeing up a mech bay.


Mogs

SAVE FOR FUTURE QUIRKS...

Otherwise...yeah. My favorite mech...king of 'Meh'.

Gauss+ERPPC poptarting

2ERPPC...meh.

Gauss + 4erml

5SRM6 / 5SSRM6...at least it can jump?

3LPL

4ERLL or 3ERLL with cooling or TC2+

2LPL + SRM

UAC20 + 4ERSL...fun but hot.

Sad part is, removable JJ or new ST pods with E could save this mech.

ShadowWolf Kell, on 11 July 2015 - 02:09 PM, said:

Haven't played mine in awhile but with the recent patch I'm positive they can poptart just fine. They were able to prior to the patch, and PPCs are back for the most part.

Other than that, fire support from the back, or play it like a slower medium. I generally play mine like I do my Shadow Hawks. Hit and fade and use my mobility to keep me out of trouble. I've seen people LRM with them but I've honestly never tried LRMing as Clan so can't really give any commentary there.

The rebalance as Russ described it sounds like the Summoner is going to get a huge boost in areas unrelated to firepower, while mechs like the Timber are going to lose agility. Also information warfare which is huge. Summoner might be my go to mech after the pass as the one thing that my HBR lacks and drives me nuts a lot is the mobility that the Summoner has.

The one thing I can say with a fair amount of confidence is that it's going to likely become a popular mech whenever the patch hits the PTS.

The firepower/DPS quirks sounds like they're mostly being pulled as PGI seems to be well aware of what a disaster that was.

I seriously hope this is the case. Seriously.

[Ursh]

They're not the most competitive, but they work well enough.

In CW, or even normal queue, there are lots of spots where you can jump gauss people, even when they're in firing lines, because you can rise just far enough about the ridge to let off your gauss before dropping back into cover. There are exceedingly few gunners who can hit you if you're doing it right...don't listen to the yahoos on these forums claiming that they'll blow you to pieces if you try it against them.

Not a huge fan of the cuac on these, because my playstyle is to move around a lot, not dedicate facetime to my targets.

[Cyborne Elemental]

The same guys that can't get a Summoner to work, are the same guys who either can't or refuse to pilot anything difficult such as Commando's, Locusts, Trebuchet, Orion Awesome, Kintaro, Kitfox, Nova, Iceferret.

Anything that actually presents a challenge to pilot they won't touch it with a 9001 foot pole, because its not competitive and not "the easy button".

Now granted, the Summoner has some less than favorable hardpoints but its still lethal in the right hands.

The two biggest problems are its low arms, and very low # of hardpoints and can't boat anything except SRM or LRM's efficiently so it is stuck in the crap bucket for most players.

I still find it hilarious when I see the 1ERPPC+GAUSS builds running around, such a poor build for the summoner.

[Saint Scarlett Johan]

Mister D, on 11 July 2015 - 04:02 PM, said:

The same guys that can't get a Summoner to work, are the same guys who either can't or refuse to pilot anything difficult such as Commando's, Locusts, Trebuchet, Orion Awesome, Kintaro, Kitfox, Nova, Iceferret.

Anything that actually presents a challenge to pilot they won't touch it with a 9001 foot pole, because its not competitive and not "the easy button".

Now granted, the Summoner has some less than favorable hardpoints but its still lethal in the right hands.

The two biggest problems are its low arms, and very low # of hardpoints and can't boat anything except SRM or LRM's efficiently so it is stuck in the crap bucket for most players.

I still find it hilarious when I see the 1ERPPC+GAUSS builds running around, such a poor build for the summoner.

I find this build and this build to be the best builds for the chassis.

But I'm far more entertained by this build.

[Mcgral18]

Deimos Alpha, on 11 July 2015 - 01:59 PM, said:

Does anyone know what variant this guy piloted?

http://www.sarna.net...Nicolai_Malthus

This one:


Note the ST laser (or PPC) which PGI hasn't given us yet.

[Cyborne Elemental]

That chest energy point would do wonders for the Summoner.

*
And my favorite troll build for the Summoner.
http://mwo.smurfy-ne...532f9be29337ff8

Edited by Mister D, 11 July 2015 - 05:01 PM.

[Light-Speed]

Mister D, on 11 July 2015 - 04:02 PM, said:

...can't or refuse to pilot anything difficult such as Commando's, Locusts, Trebuchet, Orion Awesome, Kintaro, Kitfox, Nova, Iceferret.

Maybe when they change the damn cockpit .

Just my two cents.

[Cyborne Elemental]

Nightingale27, on 11 July 2015 - 05:01 PM, said:

Maybe when they change the damn cockpit .

Just my two cents.

(Locust cockpit)
Agreed.

[bad arcade kitty]

mogs01gt, on 11 July 2015 - 08:50 AM, said:

Once you own the any other Clan heavy, the Thor is pointless since cookie cutter laser builds simply do not work on it.

don't play them then
it can be something like 2 uac-5 + 2 ml or 5 ssrm-6 jumping streakboat

[Territorial Oak]

SMN-PRIME

Try this build, it's great with the recent uac buffs.

edit: fixed the left arm omnipod, which is needed to make the build work.

Edited by Territorial Oak, 11 July 2015 - 05:56 PM.

[Kira Onime]

Diablobo, on 11 July 2015 - 01:11 PM, said:

Now I've gotta get in my Summoner and see how well I can do in it. Sure, it's not as good as some of the others, but it is still fun, and if you use it right, you can do well.

Good pilots will make it look good but at the end of the day, it's an inferior clan heavy mech.