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[InspectorG]

Ngamok, on 12 July 2015 - 06:54 AM, said:

What's your Gear Score.

Me?

Over 9000!

[Jman5]

Moomtazz, on 12 July 2015 - 11:01 AM, said:

Most of the forum warriors' newbness would be exposed if stats were visible. I think I saw one in particular recently post about being 500 Wins or Deaths under .500, yet it constantly posts know-it-all info.

Until PGI splits group and solo queue stats, it's hard to conclude anything about a player. Solo Queue has a larger population and is better able to match teams competitively. This means people who play solo queue a lot will have a tendency toward 50/50. Group queue has a smaller population and has a much harder time matching groups together fairly. It leads to more exaggerated WL and KDR at both the high and low end.

There are a lot of mediocre players out there with very high stats because they play with a group of people who are very good. Catch them alone in the solo queue and their scores are usually no better than average.

It's almost like comparing apples to oranges.

[War Beast]

Adiuvo, on 12 July 2015 - 12:09 PM, said:

This isn't real life. To be successful in MWO relies on you understanding the game. It's why when all of the aimbotters were banned none of them were notable players. They obviously had perfect aim, but were terrible at the game and performed poorly regardless.

Not to be too contrary, but that first round of bans was more of a "shot across the bow" hitting non essential accounts, with one notable. The basic aim, it seems, was to show the masses that PGI was doing something. At the same time it was a warning to their "competitive whales / buyers", to cut the crap or they will eventually be forced to conduct real bans. I'm sure there were a LOT more "known" players, as you put it, who could have been banned. It seemed more of a "warning" to all players, than a real attempt to clean out hackers. They need every paying player they can comfortably retain.

Unless PGI is completely spineless, if / when they do bans again, you will most likely recognize a lot more names.

Wanting to believe that PGI was doing "serious" hack banning ... pipe dream. Also, doesnt actually make sense.

Edit: Typos

Edited by War Beast, 12 July 2015 - 01:11 PM.

[Adiuvo]

War Beast, on 12 July 2015 - 01:10 PM, said:

Not to be too contrary, but that first round of bans was more of a "shot across the bow" hitting non essential accounts, with one notable. The basic aim, it seems, was to show the masses that PGI was doing something. At the same time it was a warning to their "competitive whales / buyers", to cut the crap or they will eventually be forced to conduct real bans. I'm sure there were a LOT more "known" players, as you put it, who could have been banned. It seemed more of a "warning" to all players, than a real attempt to clean out hackers. They need every paying player they can comfortably retain.

Unless PGI is completely spineless, if / when they do bans again, you will most likely recognize a lot more names.

Wanting to believe that PGI was doing "serious" hack banning ... pipe dream. Also, doesnt actually make sense.

Edit: Typos

Every person in the MLMW rosters, which most notable teams are participating in, was checked specifically for cheating. Everyone was cleared.

[Slaughterz]

Kiiyor, on 12 July 2015 - 06:07 AM, said:

Because e-peen comparisons, probably. I wouldn't want it visible*. Not for my own sake, mind you, but because I imagine that sort of information could be used for less than savoury purposes:

• Discounting people's opinions because their KDR doesn't pass some arbitrary threshold.
  
• Telling people they aren't qualified to comment on mechs because they suck in them, or don't own them.
  
• Claiming X mech isn't overpowered, only to have it discovered that your KDR in it is significantly higher than in other mechs.
  
• Being ridiculed for piloting 'FOTM' mechs only.
  
• Being ridiculed for piloting known missile boats.
  
• Being excluded from units based on your stats.
  
• Getting hackusations if your KDR is particularly high.

Or, worse than most...


People considering your opinion to have more weight because you have a high KDR.

There are already some pretty spectacular trolls getting about on the forums - imagine arming them with statistics to twist to their own vile agendas.

* having said all this, i'd love to be able to get my hands on everyone's stats... in the name of SCIENCE of course.

This is exactly why stats are important. Information/facts/stats behind ideas is what gives opinions and recommendations substance. Having someone that is bad at the game give suggestions or talk about what mechs are good doesnt help anything. its exactly like getting legal advice from a cashier with a grade 9 education.

The only argument against stats is basic greifing, which i do agree, "LOOK AT MY STATS BLAH BLAH" is useless.

Everything you mentioned in your list is why there should be facts and stats behind arguments and discussion.