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[stjobe]

I didn't find the Rewards 2.0 list anywhere but the patch notes, so I copied them from there to this thread - as they say, knowing is half the battle.

Rewards 2.0 - What's New?
The new rewards system comes with a number of new rewards specially designed for role warfare. With Rewards 2.0 all rewards were re-balanced in order to be economical. Many rewards are based on a system measuring engagement/disengagement with enemy players.

Engagement/Disengagement Rules:

• Dealing or receiving damage makes you engaged.
  
• Depending on sight, distance and time since the last damage was dealt, timers work to see if you are still actively in combat or disengaged.

The following rewards are new or follow a different system now:

Scouting:

• Be the first to spot a target.
  
• Do not engage.

Flanking:

• Move behind an enemy Mech without being targeted by it and without being engaged.
  
• Deal damage to the enemy Mech from behind (out of sight).
  
• Reward has a cool-down of 20 seconds.

Kill Most Damage:

• Compared to all other players, deal the most damage to a target.
  
• The target dies.

Killing Blow:

• Deal the killing shot to a target.

Solo Kill:

• Achieve both "Kill Most Damage" and "Killing Blow" for the same target.

Capture:

• Being inside of a base while the base re-aligns.

Brawler:

• Get a "Solo Kill" in between 0 and 450 meters distance to the target.
  
• Be in a medium or heavy 'Mech.

Lance Formation:

• All players of one lance are in a distance of 140 meters to each other.
  
• The whole lance is engaged.
  
• Reward occurs every 15 seconds if not interrupted.

Protected Light:

• Be in a light 'Mech.
  
• Stay close to a 'Mech that is at least 2 weight classes higher.
  
• Both are engaged.
  
• Reward occurs every 8 seconds.

Protected Medium:

• Be in a medium 'Mech.
  
• Stay close to a 'Mech that is at least 2 weight classes higher.
  
• Both are engaged.
  
• Reward occurs every 8 seconds.

Protect Proximity:

• Staying in a radius of 150 meters to a damaged friendly 'Mech (critical damage).
  
• Be engaged.
  
• Reward occurs every 10 seconds if not interrupted.

TAG Damage:

• TAG a target.
  
• Damage is dealt to that target while target is still TAGed.
  
• Reward is multiplied by the damage dealt in points.
  
• Reward is only shown on HUD once finished or interrupted (total number rewarded).
  
• Reward is only given if the target is tagged for at least 2 seconds.
  
• Reward is only given if the target takes at least 5 damage.
  
• The reward has a cooldown of 2 seconds.
  
• This timer resets to 2 seconds with every point of damage dealt.
  
• Once the timer reaches 0 all the accumulated reward is given to the player/shown on HUD.
  
• The reward is finished when:
  
  • Tag is removed from the target.
    
  • The target dies.

TAG Kill:

• The user is tagging the target.
  
• The target gets destroyed WHILE being TAGed.

Hit and Run:

• A hit and run “Score” is generated based off an engagement.
  
• Every point of damage dealt counts for 1 point of score.
  
• Every point of damage taken counts for -2 points of score.
  
• If score is greater than 10, you are awarded with a hit and run award.
  
• If the total damage taken during the engagement is greater than 15 the score is zeroed and no award is given.

First Capture:

• Player gets the capture collector reward for a previously uncaptured collector.
  
• Can only occur once per collector per match.
  
• Does not apply to starting bases that are already captured.

Stealth TAG

• Player TAGs a target.
  
• Player stays out of the line of sight of any enemy.
  
• Player is rewarded every 6 seconds.

Rewards 2.0 - What is the New Balance?

Reward	New Reward Given XP	New Reward Given CB
Component Destroyed	10	2300
Kill	30	4000
Death	0	0
Win	250	25000
Loss	40	10000
Assist	20	2500
Team Kill	-150	-10000
Damage Done	0	21
Tie	75	15000
Capture Win	75	0
Capture Assist	50	0
Spotting Assist	20	2000
Salvage Bonus	1	0
Kill Most Damage	80	5000
Solo Kill	280	10000
Scouting	20	2000
Flanking	20	1500
Capture	50	2500
Capture Pulse	0	25
First Capture	60	4500
Brawling	130	4500
Tag Damage	0	35
Tag Kill	60	6000
Narc Kill	60	6000
Hit And Run	15	2000
Tag Stealth	5	150
Lance Formation	0	60
Protected Medium	0	65
Protected Light	0	65
Protect Proximity	0	55
Savior Kill	60	4500
Defensive Kill	60	4500
UAV Kill	50	0
UAV Locked Damage	25	1800
UAV Detection	20	250
Counter ECM	70	2500
Counter ECM Locked Dmg	25	500
Turret Kill	50	1000
Tag Narc	25	1500

Edited by stjobe, 14 July 2015 - 03:55 PM.

[IraqiWalker]

You are a saint!

[InspectorG]

Needs 'pilot pressed R' bonus.

[Chadamir Fitzkrieg]

Lovely you posted this! Huge help to newer players.
Imho... I think they should be doubled would give the game so much more life and new player friendly,

[stjobe]

InspectorG, on 14 July 2015 - 04:02 PM, said:

Needs 'pilot pressed R' bonus.

It's there, it's called a "spotting assist" and gives 20 XP + 2,000 CB.

[DAYLEET]

Awesome job, this need to be stickied in the new player forum part.

[Thumper3]

stjobe, on 14 July 2015 - 04:11 PM, said:

It's there, it's called a "spotting assist" and gives 20 XP + 2,000 CB.

No, that's the reward for "Player spammed R key just to get rewards..."

The reward for "player pressed R" would have a required 5 second hold time or so. As it is people just run in and hit the R key as fast as they can to get the bonus on as many mechs as they can see...then they run away and hide. And it only rewards the FIRST person to do so........so after the opening engagement no one cares if they lock up a target or not.

Not that there should be a reward for doing what any sane mechwarrior should do ANYWAY, but nowadays...........

[Greenjulius]

Thank you! Much appreciated sir!

[IraqiWalker]

Thumper3, on 15 July 2015 - 12:11 PM, said:

No, that's the reward for "Player spammed R key just to get rewards..."

The reward for "player pressed R" would have a required 5 second hold time or so. As it is people just run in and hit the R key as fast as they can to get the bonus on as many mechs as they can see...then they run away and hide. And it only rewards the FIRST person to do so........so after the opening engagement no one cares if they lock up a target or not.

Not that there should be a reward for doing what any sane mechwarrior should do ANYWAY, but nowadays...........

Spotting assists are only given IF the target you locked on to, gets hit by an ally.

[stjobe]

Thumper3, on 15 July 2015 - 12:11 PM, said:

No, that's the reward for "Player spammed R key just to get rewards..."

The reward for "player pressed R" would have a required 5 second hold time or so. As it is people just run in and hit the R key as fast as they can to get the bonus on as many mechs as they can see...then they run away and hide. And it only rewards the FIRST person to do so........so after the opening engagement no one cares if they lock up a target or not.

Not that there should be a reward for doing what any sane mechwarrior should do ANYWAY, but nowadays...........

It doesn't work that way.

You don't get a spotting assist unless you actually have the 'mech targeted when someone else hits it.

The people who run in and spam R are usually trying to show their team mates where the enemy is, not get spotting assists.

[IraqiWalker]

stjobe, on 15 July 2015 - 12:17 PM, said:

It doesn't work that way.

You don't get a spotting assist unless you actually have the 'mech targeted when someone else hits it.

The people who run in and spam R are usually trying to show their team mates where the enemy is, not get spotting assists.

It's an old tactic from closed beta days. Spam R since it causes a lot of beeping on your teammates' HUDs. Works better than stopping in front of 6 mechs to type "enemies at D6"

[Thumper3]

stjobe, on 15 July 2015 - 12:17 PM, said:

It doesn't work that way.

You don't get a spotting assist unless you actually have the 'mech targeted when someone else hits it.

The people who run in and spam R are usually trying to show their team mates where the enemy is, not get spotting assists.

I was referencing the "Scouting" bonus, not "spotting". But you are correct, still does not stop people from giving into their ADD and switching targets constantly. LOL

IraqiWalker, on 15 July 2015 - 12:33 PM, said:

It's an old tactic from closed beta days. Spam R since it causes a lot of beeping on your teammates' HUDs. Works better than stopping in front of 6 mechs to type "enemies at D6"

It is a great method, from when before their was VOIP......of course, it took years for them to add VOIP in game which should have been there from day 1........and no one uses it LOL I'd rather hear someone say "6 enemies at D6, mostly lights, one Atlas...." than to just get a bunch of intermittent contacts and still be left wondering if it's a scout group or a wave of Assaults coming that way.

Edited by Thumper3, 15 July 2015 - 12:47 PM.

[Telmasa]

Good info.

Why the hell are there no rewards for using NARC, and so many for using TAG...?

[Narcissistic Martyr]

Telmasa, on 15 July 2015 - 03:48 PM, said:

Good info.

Why the hell are there no rewards for using NARC, and so many for using TAG...?

Because TAG requires you to continually stay on target while NARC just requires you to hit them with the rocket.

[stjobe]

Telmasa, on 15 July 2015 - 03:48 PM, said:

Why the hell are there no rewards for using NARC, and so many for using TAG...?

There's both "Tag Narc" for 25 XP, 1,500 CB and "Narc kill" for 60 XP, 6,000 CB.

[PFC Carsten]

Thumper3, on 15 July 2015 - 12:11 PM, said:

No, that's the reward for "Player spammed R key just to get rewards..."

The reward for "player pressed R" would have a required 5 second hold time or so. As it is people just run in and hit the R key as fast as they can to get the bonus on as many mechs as they can see...then they run away and hide. And it only rewards the FIRST person to do so........so after the opening engagement no one cares if they lock up a target or not.

Not that there should be a reward for doing what any sane mechwarrior should do ANYWAY, but nowadays...........

While I see your point, I might add that this servers a purpose in PUG as well - at least as long as after the initial cycling through one lock is maintained. It's the fastest way in PUG-land to make your teammates aware that there are multiple enemies in your LOS and not just a single one.

Edited by PFC Carsten, 16 July 2015 - 01:03 AM.

[Void Angel]

Yes, cycling targets is the standard way to tell people there are multiple enemies in sight - and since so many people have not bothered to get a microphone headset in this day and age, it's still in use.

It's unlikely that they're all just doing it to farm the relatively small reward for target locking, because almost nobody remembers what those bonuses are; hence this thread.

[Telmasa]

Narcissistic Martyr, on 15 July 2015 - 05:34 PM, said:

Because TAG requires you to continually stay on target while NARC just requires you to hit them with the rocket.

It is a hell of a lot harder to hit a target with a slow-moving rocket with a maximum range of 400-600m (IS vs clantech), than it is to wave a continuous laserbeam with a max range of 750 (or 850+ depending on quirks, currently...) across an enemy mech at regular intervals.

Plus, y'know...minimum 4 tons (probably more if you're sensible to take extra ammo) with 3+ crit slots, vs 1 ton and 1 crit slot for TAG.

So TAG is exponentially more rewarding, currently, than NARC is.

stjobe, on 15 July 2015 - 11:28 PM, said:

There's both "Tag Narc" for 25 XP, 1,500 CB and "Narc kill" for 60 XP, 6,000 CB.

I'm not certain I've seen either of those since the reward changes happened. I may have to try to test it some.

Edited by Telmasa, 16 July 2015 - 01:22 AM.

[IraqiWalker]

Telmasa, on 16 July 2015 - 01:20 AM, said:

It is a hell of a lot harder to hit a target with a slow-moving rocket with a maximum range of 400-600m (IS vs clantech), than it is to wave a continuous laserbeam with a max range of 750 (or 850+ depending on quirks, currently...) across an enemy mech at regular intervals.

Plus, y'know...minimum 4 tons (probably more if you're sensible to take extra ammo) with 3+ crit slots, vs 1 ton and 1 crit slot for TAG.

Yes, but NARC is still the least risky of the two, by miles. The NARC rockets can still hit a target at up to 450 meters. You can then boogie out of there without consequence. Whereas TAG provides the enemy with a clear red "shoot over there for a free kill" beam of light. The mech has to hold it over the target, until it is hit by LRMs for them to get a reward. Do you know how long it takes a dual Gauss mech to kill something standing still?

[Ano]

Well done and thanks, stjobe.

This needs to be stickied, methinks.