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[oldradagast]

TLBFestus, on 17 July 2015 - 07:38 AM, said:

I guess it depends on what kind of E-Sport players take up the game.

The kind that just want to be "the best" regardless of the weakness in the game and obvious flaws and patches, or the Serious Professional Players that won't accept "good enough" or minimal viable product.

Just kidding people......it's only going to be the former. The real players won't tolerate a game with the problems that currently exist..

See also: the trainwreck that is Community Warfare. The players who cared (the second type) pointed out the problems repeatedly. Meanwhile, the first time - gotta win at all cost - told us to "get gud or get rekted." Brilliantly forgetting the third option - not playing. So, CW fades and dies on the vine, becoming nothing but a haunt of occasional seal-clubbing and bleating by a tiny "community" that would challenge toddlers and the elderly to basketball games if they could since "winning is all that matters."

[Revis Volek]

Alistair Winter, on 17 July 2015 - 06:03 AM, said:

I know absolutely nothing about Kotaku or esports or professional CounterStrike players. But it's an interview with a professional CS player, so the question is more whether you believe that guy rather than whether you believe what the website is reporting.

lol, no...

I guess you dont get how the news works, but if he said "most guys i know play video games because they cant get girls" the news would swing that as to "most gamers are misogynistic women-haters."

[jss78]

Alistair Winter, on 17 July 2015 - 05:53 AM, said:

Newsflash: Some MWO players are really competitive. It's been this way since 2012. PGI is making a small effort to keep those players, because there's a fairly easy and cheap fix that will help the comp scene a lot. And people who aren't interested don't have to get involved, so everybody's a winner.

You may not understand it. I cannot for the life of me understand why anyone would watch other people play MWO on Twitch, but each to their own. MWO needs all the players it can get.

Agreed on all this. With grind of modern working life being as consuming as it is, I'll never understand why someone would want to be competitive in his spare time. But then I don't have to understand. If adding some small facilities will attract competitive players to MWO, it's all good.

Also, MWO does not have to become "big" among e-sport games for such additions to be worthwhile. Attracting or retaining even a small competitive crowd will help MWO, as it's a small niche game to begin with.

Alistair Winter, on 17 July 2015 - 05:53 AM, said:

Here's the fun part though. Accoring to Paul, MWO is getting something along the lines of public rankings and/or player tiers, based on Elo or something similar to Elo. I think it's going to be glorious, but that's the part that will probably p*** people off a lot more.

I have to say I'm really dubious about public rankings. The simple truth is that people have a tendency to become a**hats under anonymity. That being the case, I think it's a really bad idea to provide any public e-peen metrics about who's the biggest Internet Hero. It just doesn't combine well with the shield of anonymity.

MWO has had, by and large, a really mature and friendly user community. I'm attributing that in part to the lack of public metrics, which leads people to doing the stroking of their online egos someplace else.

Maybe they can implement any public rankings in a way that only affects the competitive circuit and its players. I suspect the great majority of the players (90+% being casuals, I guess) have no need or desire for public rankings.

[Alistair Winter]

DarthRevis, on 17 July 2015 - 07:50 AM, said:

lol, no...
I guess you dont get how the news works, but if he said "most guys i know play video games because they cant get girls" the news would swing that as to "most gamers are misogynistic women-haters."

Maybe I don't know how the news work, but I do know a little bit about how a camera works.

The interview is here.

Odinvolk, on 17 July 2015 - 06:17 AM, said:

I belive kotaku is not beyond paying somebody to lie in an "interview" to create click-bate fake stories. They are owned by gawker, it is their MO to lie. All you need to know about them is here: http://www.deepfreeze.it/ and here http://www.reddit.co...KotakuInAction/

So what am I going to do with all the Adderall I just bought?

The story has been reported by a whole bunch of different sites, not just Kotaku. The original interview is from a YouTube channel. I don't see anything to suggest that it's fake, and the idea of people taking PEDs in e-sports is hardly new. Since so many different websites are talking about it, and since PED talk in e-sports goes back many years, I'm going to go out on a limb and say Kotaku wasn't behind it all. They may have just jumped on the bandwagon

[Alistair Winter]

jss78, on 17 July 2015 - 08:32 AM, said:

Also, MWO does not have to become "big" among e-sport games for such additions to be worthwhile. Attracting or retaining even a small competitive crowd will help MWO, as it's a small niche game to begin with.

Precisely! It's a small niche game and they shouldn't be willing to lose their competitive players.

jss78, on 17 July 2015 - 08:32 AM, said:

I have to say I'm really dubious about public rankings. The simple truth is that people have a tendency to become a**hats under anonymity. That being the case, I think it's a really bad idea to provide any public e-peen metrics about who's the biggest Internet Hero. It just doesn't combine well with the shield of anonymity.
MWO has had, by and large, a really mature and friendly user community. I'm attributing that in part to the lack of public metrics, which leads people to doing the stroking of their online egos someplace else.
Maybe they can implement any public rankings in a way that only affects the competitive circuit and its players. I suspect the great majority of the players (90+% being casuals, I guess) have no need or desire for public rankings.

No details yet, so let's see how it turns out. I honestly wouldn't mind completely public rankings even though I'm an average player. If that means people won't listen to my ideas, that's ok. The game is almost 3 years old, I guess I have better things to do than discuss my ideas anyway. I don't care if people insult my skills, really. Some people invest so much time and energy into this game, I have no problem accepting that others are better than me. And it's just a game anyway.

[TheCharlatan]

E-sports is just a word for: PGI getting $$$ by having tourneys (their own or made by others).
Look at the other e-sports: they exist because lots of people watch it, which means that sponsors are intrested in putting $$$ in it, and PGI can take a share of that.

To do that you don't need balance, you don't need hitreg, you need friggin' people watching the matches like they were in trance.
Look at Hearthstone: it's a F2P game, and when it was in open beta it worked like s***, and was incredibly unbalanced but a lot of people watched it.
Why?
Well, because it's a Blizzard game, they have lots of people following their games just because of that, but also thanks to the streamers: lots of them rose up during the early stages of the game, each with their personality and playstyle, and people chose a favorite, and now watch them religiously.

PGI wants to make MWO into an e-sport?
What they need to do is help the MWO streamers. They are the ones that can create this audience.
Make people care about big giant mechs shooting each other, or e-sports dosen't mean a thing.

[Jman5]

Alistair Winter, on 17 July 2015 - 05:53 AM, said:

I'm already buying Adderall to be a pro e-sport player. All the cool kids are doing it.
http://kotaku.com/pr...rall-1717849428

These guys are grade A morons. A coffee from Mcdonalds would probably have a better and safer effect on a player who wants to be alert for a match.

It's probably the amphetamines in adderall that's tricking these guys into thinking they're playing way better than they actually are. They feel great, their insecurities, and tiredness disappear temporarily and so they believe they're untouchable. What they don't realize is that they're also overconfident and over aggressive leading them to make stupid decisions that a more prudent and sober player wouldn't make.

You guys want to play better? Sleep right, eat right, and practice. You don't get better at layups by taking a pill. You get better by practicing layups.

Edited by Jman5, 17 July 2015 - 11:53 AM.

[DAYLEET]

You guys ever watch 2 comp team going at it in MWO? Comp players take a game, remove everything but the easiest and very best option, that makes for very effective gameplay but exceedingly boring to watch.

[Moldur]

Oh, we haven't missed it, we've been making fun of it ever since he said that.

For instance

"We will be doing something stupid for development"

No worries guys, E-sports is gonna save this game!

[Telmasa]

Darian DelFord, on 17 July 2015 - 05:32 AM, said:

Russ Bullock

Completely missed this in the June July August Roadmap.

No wonder there is no content in this game. Do they seriously think that MWO is a competitor for E-Sports? Am I missing something?

...Do you know what Solaris was/is?

PGI has two options to try marketing this refurbished MW:O (once balance and map updates roll around) to the wider gaming world:
1. E-sports
2. PvE campaign with in-depth immersion and roleplaying and storytelling.

The rest of the gaming world will not care about anything else. Most gamers in general do not play games for the mindless neverending PvP grind, nor will they play for a "clan wars" arena - no matter what game you play, that only appeals to a select number of passionate players.

Y'all are attaching a whole lot of negative vibes to the e-sport thing for reasons that just don't make sense to me. Relax.

[Mycrus]

Odinvolk, on 17 July 2015 - 06:17 AM, said:

I belive kotaku is not beyond paying somebody to lie in an "interview" to create click-bate fake stories. They are owned by gawker, it is their MO to lie. All you need to know about them is here: http://www.deepfreeze.it/ and here http://www.reddit.co...KotakuInAction/

Kids use it to cram for exams... imagining tryhards to use it in esports is not a stretch...

DAYLEET, on 17 July 2015 - 11:54 AM, said:

You guys ever watch 2 comp team going at it in MWO? Comp players take a game, remove everything but the easiest and very best option, that makes for very effective gameplay but exceedingly boring to watch.

And that is the difference with this game and say usfiv... watching comp teams in this game is boring... blame complete rebalance™

[Mystere]

Odinvolk, on 17 July 2015 - 06:17 AM, said:

I belive kotaku is not beyond paying somebody to lie in an "interview" to create click-bate fake stories. They are owned by gawker, it is their MO to lie. All you need to know about them is here: http://www.deepfreeze.it/ and here http://www.reddit.co...KotakuInAction/

Speaking of those huge sleazebags called Gawker, see this.

Edited by Mystere, 17 July 2015 - 05:56 PM.

[Odinvolk]

Mystere, on 17 July 2015 - 05:55 PM, said:

Speaking of those huge sleazebags called Gawker, see this.

OMG! Speachless. God damn dark ages all over again.

Edited by Odinvolk, 17 July 2015 - 07:52 PM.

[Starbadger]

Hello, MWO forums! =]

So, having perused the thread, I see a lot of people are confused about why people watch Twitch TV. In my opion, it's not something you have to be into yourself to understand and respect- Just like chess or athletic sports, video games can be very complex. For some, exploring those complexities is an important and satisfying part of the hobby. MWO offers a vast number of different chassis to choose from, ways to outfit them, and styles of play. It's really cool to see someone kick butt in a completely different way from you-- I'm someone who runs a lot of brawlers and skirmishers, uses left-handed joystick + mouse, and is absolutely hopeless with a PPC. So for me, it's satisfying to watch a skilled keyboard-using PPC sniper nail their shots- It's a style of play I'm not used to, and understanding it deepens my enjoyment of the game (not to mention lending me an advantage!).

When it comes to watching and discussing the experts doing their thing, twitch users are hardly alone. You'd be hard-pressed to find a football fan who didn't watch football. Ask anyone really into the game about their hobby and they'll gush at you about the plays, the players, the teams and their strategies-- Competition between skilled players of anything is just plain fun to watch.

As far as e-sports go, my personal opinion is that rankings, better stat-tracking and a bigger, more organized competitive scene would be super fun, and is certainly not incompatible with a good pace of content development. It would introduce a whole new layer of personal and global statistical analysis, allowing everyone to see how different builds, playstyles and players compare . A lot of posts have been all about the negative aspects of e-sports-- People dreading a coming onslaught of e-peen wavers dumping on the less skilled. I think that's a fair point (and probably a reasonable expectation) but there are ways it can be addressed. Creating a ranking system that is opt-in only, for example, could help soften the blow of raging douchiness: Those that don't want their stats out there for the world to see could keep them private, allowing casual players to have some level of separation from the competitive community.

Just my two centies. Oh, wait, I only have one of those... Er... Happy gaming all!

Edited by Paige V, 17 July 2015 - 09:20 PM.

[Narcissistic Martyr]

Making MWO an e-sport makes sense financially. It creates a long term active player base and generates continual interest in the game. That being said MWO isn't there yet. It has great potential, but it isn't there yet.

[Odinvolk]

Narcissistic Martyr, on 17 July 2015 - 09:50 PM, said:

Making MWO an e-sport makes sense financially. It creates a long term active player base and generates continual interest in the game. That being said MWO isn't there yet. It has great potential, but it isn't there yet.

Respectfully disagree.

The first players to jump on this and to spend huge $$$ were life-long BT/MW fans, many of us with tabletop experience.
And we will be the last to leave. Unless this game drives us out. Right now it could go either way.

Hell, I ve beeing playing MW2 Mercenaries online before most people knew what a modem was. I already spent hundreds of dollars on MC and Mechs here too. Do you know how many other, non-half-baked-beta games one could get instead of another "mech pack"?

The game market is fragmented between PC/Console/Mobile, and along Free/Pay lines already.
This game will live or die with it's core audience. IMHO, e-sport fans were never, and will never, be primary audience for Mechwarrior. If any other cool game comes out they will leave.

[Mystere]

Mycrus, on 17 July 2015 - 05:46 PM, said:

Kids use it to cram for exams... imagining tryhards to use it in esports is not a stretch...

Chocolate works much better, not to mention tastes even much better.

Edited by Mystere, 17 July 2015 - 10:20 PM.

[MauttyKoray]

Darian DelFord, on 17 July 2015 - 05:32 AM, said:

Russ Bullock



Completely missed this in the June July August Roadmap.

No wonder there is no content in this game. Do they seriously think that MWO is a competitor for E-Sports? Am I missing something?

TWIAFU, on 17 July 2015 - 05:35 AM, said:

Hehe, wasn't missed at all. Might have to go back a few pages to find all the topics/posts.

To be fair, I don't believe he's talking about major league e-Sports, just our usual tournaments and stuff within the community. I could be wrong...I hope I'm not...

[Mystere]

MauttyKoray, on 17 July 2015 - 10:30 PM, said:

To be fair, I don't believe he's talking about major league e-Sports, just our usual tournaments and stuff within the community. I could be wrong...I hope I'm not...

Then what's the point of straying from original goals and end up alienating the BT/MW fans?

[Mystere]

Odinvolk, on 17 July 2015 - 07:51 PM, said:

OMG! Speachless. God damn dark ages all over again.

There's more from these same sleazebags.