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[naterist]

listen, if your a unit, and you drop in fw on the attack lane every night, and you have hno intention of even engaging the enemy because your sole objective is the gens and the mc, then dont even bother dropping. its one thing to do it every now and then, but when its continuous, i seriously have to ask why the f*** your playing a shooting game if you have absolutely no intention of engaging the enemy. i cant name any units but i think the guys who do this alot are wolves, and their unit tag has [REDACTED]. i forget exactly, but thats pretty close, their out there doin it right now actually.. .

stop playing this game if your only in it for the gen rushes. seriously. all your doing is killing the game, and after enough people leave, all that mc you have saved up is going to be worthless and everyone who was actually here to play mechwarrior online will be pissed because the gen rushing units pushed off the new potential players, and everyones going to be saying "well why did pgi not fix the game, balance was so broke, when in reality its, theres people showing up to fight and be mechwarriors, and accountant warriors over in wolf are swinging by in their cheetahs, bringing enough heavies to distract while the cheetahs go end the game in a handful of minutes, then they reque, and when people get called out on it they whine "well the game lets you do it so i should do it". ya, thats why people let you ghost drop. play the dam game, you clanner, gen rushing f***tards

Edited by Ibrandul Mike, 02 December 2016 - 05:52 PM.
Name and shame, really?

[BLOOD WOLF]

dude, noooooooooooooooooo

on a second note, gen rushing is not so good, but unfortunately its a tactic.

Edited by BLOOD WOLF, 29 November 2016 - 08:20 PM.

[naterist]

it shouldnt be the one you use every night, every game. thats not piloting, thats farming, and trying to find the easiest way to get things with the least amount of fun and effort available to them. im just mad because i KNOW said clanners never had any intention of fighting it out anyways. otherwise they wouldnt have had half big guys, and the 6 lights first wave, and 6 kodiaks 6 lights the second wave, with neither working together. one fought, one went after the gens. we kill them all, kodiaks show up to fight, lights are off in timbuktu waiting for everyone else to engage and goin for an easy win. that isnt piloting. thats a damn sight closer to cheating.


if you wanna avoid what we just went through, avoid both falcon and wolves now too i guess.

[BLOOD WOLF]

naterist, on 29 November 2016 - 08:26 PM, said:

it shouldnt be the one you use every night, every game. thats not piloting, thats farming, and trying to find the easiest way to get things with the least amount of fun and effort available to them. im just mad because i KNOW said clanners never had any intention of fighting it out anyways. otherwise they wouldnt have had half big guys, and the 6 lights first wave, and 6 kodiaks 6 lights the second wave, with neither working together. one fought, one went after the gens. we kill them all, kodiaks show up to fight, lights are off in timbuktu waiting for everyone else to engage and goin for an easy win. that isnt piloting. thats a damn sight closer to cheating.


if you wanna avoid what we just went through, avoid both falcon and wolves now too i guess.

we had a 12 man going but fought a different group. We go for gens only if its looks like we have to and thats being down 10-34 or something like that. Gen rushing with wave 1 or 2 is not an option I would take.

[Carl Vickers]

There are some high end teams that do whats called a gen rush but after dropping with them what happens is they wipe the first wave with little to no loss on their end and instead of farming the match out they end it there by taking the gens and Omega.

Bad teams gen rush without taking down a wave, they know they cant win via attrition so they gen rush to get the wins in to get the planet.

I should also add that some teams do this at the end of the cycle to make sure they take the planet when they know they dont have the time to win each match by attrition.

Edited by Carl Vickers, 29 November 2016 - 09:06 PM.

[naterist]

therers some units who think like that, i can name a few off the top of m,y head, but the ones who dont (we all know who they are, its why experienced players refuse to drop against the falcons.) are the ones who are killing off the game, not pgi. and the funny thing is that whenever theres something coming down the line that would help to even the disadvantage, they flood the forums and twitter and whatnot saying its a horrible idea and that if its implemented theyll quit the game forever and their never giving pgi money again. this hurts not only the game, because pgi gets nervous and gives in (like with energy draw), people checking out the site because their considering downloading see the negative comments and decide not to play because of their tone, and the ones who do play are scared off shortly after because those idiots kept their advantage and use it every fight, so the newbs leave. after a bit theres only ghost drops left because those units scared everyone off, then they look around and complain pgi killed CW, further burying the hatchet because everyone who sees that people are saying its dead, dont even bother trying anymore, cause who wants to start a game only to have it discontinued a moth later. so they see everyone saying its dead or dying so newbs dont come and that means the game dies.

edit:and this forum complaining problem isnt a new problem. people were literally saying pgi wouldnt get a cent of their money since before closed beta came out, i s**t you not. its no wonder this game never had a chance at becoming a massive hit worldwide, people have been baggin on it since before it came out.

Edited by naterist, 29 November 2016 - 08:40 PM.

[Tarl Cabot]

It is that they are going for the gens cause they are able to push through you instead of setting up firing line and duking it out?

Are people targeting their legs to stop their forward motion? Are the defensive team set for long/med range exchange or setup for more med/short range, ballistics/srms type battle?

But looking at it from another viewpoint, it is an effective tactic against IS forces, forces that for their heavier mechs have to take STD engines to prevent from being side torso checked, thus slower to reach X point, or if they do take isXL engine, they are out with a side torso check while still having half of their payload. And with lights and most meds, loss of a side torso and they are no longer able to be a PITA, whereas Cheetah missing both arms and a side torso can still be one, drawing enemy fire.

Would those tactics they are using work as well if it was against another Clan using Clan mechs?

Edited by Tarl Cabot, 30 November 2016 - 09:02 AM.

[Nephologist]

I feel like I need to listen to this while reading this thread.

[feeWAIVER]

Gen rushers like [REDACTED] are basically tier 4 pilots who get stopped by teams like mine.
They gen rush against random pugs because history has taught them that random pugs will beat their 12man.

Gen Rushing is an equivalent to a Noobtube, that allows baddies to feel good sometimes.
The bright side is that gen rushers typically get smoked 48-12 in a Counter Attack.

Edited by Ibrandul Mike, 02 December 2016 - 05:54 PM.
Name and shame? Really?

[BuckshotSchell]

My two cents; I like those guys as a group, they are nice peeps and pretty fun to play with, but the gen rushing is really aggrievating. Blood you came on and advertise that you and some others are dropping on "X" planet, and then when people show up for some hot mech on mech action, we get gen rushing. That is not fun for anyone really, so people get pizzed and leave. We as a community need to make the mode as fun as we can to keep guys like us playing and to try to bring some new meat into the grinder.

[Natred]

feeWAIVER, on 30 November 2016 - 10:41 AM, said:

Gen Rushing is an equivalent to a Noobtube, that allows baddies to feel good sometimes.
The bright side is that gen rushers typically get smoked 48-12 in a Counter Attack.

#thesaltisreal

[REDACTED] is a respectable unit and you can not be upset at them for using a strategy implemented into the game. How about trying to use tactics and strategy, depending on the map and game mode to beat them?

Edited by Ibrandul Mike, 02 December 2016 - 05:55 PM.
cleanup

[xX PUG Xx]

As frustrating as it is to be beaten by an objective rush, it IS a viable tactic and shouldn't be seen as some low brow trick.

In an ideal world the Drop Caller would see an enemy team made up of solo pilots and adapt the attacking teams strategy to give them a decent fight. This is still possible to do and not "dunk" the Omega with the split push tactic you described and shows some respect/ consideration for the solo droppers that most likely will come back to fight again. So the time and effort put into setting up the attacking group doesn't go to waste and allows them to practice the chosen tactic but if successful allows them to take Onega down to a sliver, fight it out on the third wave and then finish off Omega on the fourth.

Obviously there can be other considerations such as time to ceasefire, where it is better to "dunk" the Invasion and save the fight for the Counter Attack. Quite a few teams need to work on their coordination during this part of the planetary fight (yes, I'm looking in the mirror) so it can be advantageous to get the Invasion over ASAP and then concentrate on the defensive side.

My advice would be to not take it personally, play it out and try your best.

**EDIT**

Just to clarify, if I'm DC'ing (which I'm terrible at) for IDI, it is highly unlikely to be an objective rush. We play the mode because it mainly provides longer fights and is preferred over the short, sharp action of QP; so if you see a group of IDI expect a brawl.....or maybe not, if we decide to be all tactical and things

Edited by xX PUG Xx, 30 November 2016 - 11:52 AM.

[Natural Predator]

feeWAIVER, on 30 November 2016 - 10:41 AM, said:

Gen rushers like [REDACTED] are basically tier 4 pilots who get stopped by teams like mine.
They gen rush against random pugs because history has taught them that random pugs will beat their 12man.

Gen Rushing is an equivalent to a Noobtube, that allows baddies to feel good sometimes.
The bright side is that gen rushers typically get smoked 48-12 in a Counter Attack.

A bold statement there fee. And yes Atilla, zito, count, and cheeks often do carry you to victory against us. Your essentially deck stacking in order to beat us with 5 or 6 top 25 players so good for you! But I will stick up for BNB we won 6 of 7 matches last night and only two of them were gen rushes and we have a win ratio over 3.0 so the claim we can't fight is ********. Every unit gets beat every once in a while. So go on bragging about being carried by your betters man! I'll just keep stacking up the wins when your not getting carried.

Edited by Ibrandul Mike, 02 December 2016 - 05:56 PM.
quote cleanup

[RaptorCWS]

I dont recall losing 48-12 last night on a defense? Not sure if you were on the team or not but I do remember a group pushing out with lights on our lights b4 we started a rush and after the first wave we had 2.5 gens down and the kill lead on a gen rush, so sorry for not dragging that out. And here is the thing about Jenner IIcs, arctic cheetahs and vipers, they are pretty easy to kill when you take out a leg. the gen rush is a valid tactic and the objective is to destroy/ protect omega. not for the attackers to completely eliminate the defending force. .

[Positive Mental Attitude]

Just actively call the drop caller pathetic wheather theyre on your team doing it or the enemy. Because thats what they are.

[A Shoddy Rental Mech]

I'm more amused by the thought of Farming FW for MC

If you maxed your unit out

Multiply
225 days
3 attack phases phases/day
6 planet tags max
15 mc

equals

60750mc

Divided by number of players

MS for exapmle 330 players = 184 mc

Kcom 36 players =1898 mc or roughly 1/2 what i earned from quickplay events

[Naglinator]

Clan traitor bear-wolf uses Gen rushes??? No, who woulda thought Although, in general defense(not there's thought) PGI should start using some of the quick drop maps in CW so that we can just do normal matches.

[Natural Predator]

The Nerf Bat, on 30 November 2016 - 12:00 PM, said:

I'm more amused by the thought of Farming FW for MC

If you maxed your unit out

Multiply
225 days
3 attack phases phases/day
6 planet tags max
15 mc

equals

60750mc

Divided by number of players

MS for exapmle 330 players = 184 mc

Kcom 36 players =1898 mc or roughly 1/2 what i earned from quickplay events

Doing it for MC is the furthest thing from our minds. Expanding wolf territory and closing up with multiple factions for better opportunities at drops is.

[RaptorCWS]

Naglinator, on 30 November 2016 - 12:02 PM, said:

Clan traitor bear-wolf uses Gen rushes??? No, who woulda thought Although, in general defense(not there's thought) PGI should start using some of the quick drop maps in CW so that we can just do normal matches.

what is the cause of your dislike for us dude? sure we do gen rushes. we do not always. sometimes we do. Our reasons are our business. we can and have brawled it out. if you haven't got a match with us doing that, that is not our problem.

[naterist]

Wow, almost feel sorry for [REDACTED] now i know you can max out a unit. How havent you done that yet with all the puggies around recently? I actually feel bad for you.

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Edited by Ibrandul Mike, 02 December 2016 - 05:59 PM.
Name and shame, insults.