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[Dirk Le Daring]

As the title says, -MS- control many planets/systems for Clam Wolf, and have recently announced a change to the FRR.

They have taken worlds under the FRR banner, as may be seen, but remain in control of Clan Wolf worlds...... How ?

If they have switched from Clan to Inner Sphere, then they should lose control of ALL Clan occupied worlds.

This is an observation, not an attack on -MS-. PGI is at fault here, but not attacking you PGI, only observing a flaw.






Photographic evidence of an obvious error.

This also raises the question, especially considering ten (10) planets contested maximum.....

Would it be possible for a well coordinated, large enough unit, to own ALL factions of the map ????

Food for thought......

[kesmai]

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as nothing to do with -ms-.

every unit keeps their tags when changing factions.
it's not a bug, it's a feature. ;-)

[Xetelian]

Guess it'll say -MS- until someone else can take it.

Doesn't bother me, -MS- is a good group of guys too, so they can have all the planets.

[Speedy Plysitkos]

-ms-.. why not caliing it with real name, ie 66AH.

[Lily from animove]

kesmai, on 23 July 2015 - 12:42 AM, said:

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as nothing to do with -ms-.

every unit keeps their tags when changing factions.
it's not a bug, it's a feature. ;-)

which is somethign PGI should change, because how can you own a palnet if you belong to another faction but the planet remains the othr, now opposite faction. thats kinda nonsense.

Thats really something PGI needs to fix. But as long as there is no economy, and owning a planet has no influence than an added tag, it will not be at any higher priority on the list.

Edited by Lily from animove, 23 July 2015 - 01:05 AM.

[Dirk Le Daring]

kesmai, on 23 July 2015 - 12:42 AM, said:

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as nothing to do with -ms-.

every unit keeps their tags when changing factions.
it's not a bug, it's a feature. ;-)

Never said it had anything to do with -MS-. It's just that it seems illogical that a unit controlling Clan space, then switches to Inner Sphere and maintains control of Clan worlds. Seems a bit illogical to have them occupying opposing sides.

I think that upon switching, as they did from Clan to Inner Sphere, all Clan worlds controlled should be lost. It would be fair and logical. It is a fault in the game, not with the unit.

Xetelian, on 23 July 2015 - 12:53 AM, said:

Guess it'll say -MS- until someone else can take it.

Doesn't bother me, -MS- is a good group of guys too, so they can have all the planets.

I'll take nothing from them, well done on their behalf, but it is illogical to maintain Inner Sphere AND Clan territory.

Titannium, on 23 July 2015 - 01:02 AM, said:

-ms-.. why not caliing it with real name, ie 66AH.

????

[Joseph Mallan]

Dirk Le Daring, on 23 July 2015 - 12:29 AM, said:

As the title says, -MS- control many planets/systems for Clam Wolf, and have recently announced a change to the FRR.

They have taken worlds under the FRR banner, as may be seen, but remain in control of Clan Wolf worlds...... How ?

If they have switched from Clan to Inner Sphere, then they should lose control of ALL Clan occupied worlds.

This is an observation, not an attack on -MS-. PGI is at fault here, but not attacking you PGI, only observing a flaw.






Photographic evidence of an obvious error.

This also raises the question, especially considering ten (10) planets contested maximum.....

Would it be possible for a well coordinated, large enough unit, to own ALL factions of the map ????

Food for thought......

Yes. It was called the Star League Defense Force

[ScarecrowES]

MS is a merc unit. They're beholden to no house except temporarily via contract. Why would they just automatically lose planets they've taken just by changing contracts? They took those planets fair and square under the Wolf banner. They actually got punished for this during the last event when units were able to take planets that they took while under another faction and it counted against their current faction total.

Taking away planets that a faction won fairly just cant fly in CW. Sorry.

[Widowmaker1981]

ScarecrowES, on 23 July 2015 - 05:03 AM, said:

MS is a merc unit. They're beholden to no house except temporarily via contract. Why would they just automatically lose planets they've taken just by changing contracts? They took those planets fair and square under the Wolf banner. They actually got punished for this during the last event when units were able to take planets that they took while under another faction and it counted against their current faction total.

Taking away planets that a faction won fairly just cant fly in CW. Sorry.

It absolutely *should* happen. The planets should stay wolf (in this example) but lose the -MS- tag. There should also be significant incentives to get and hold planets, thus discouraging faction hopping.

[zagibu]

Widowmaker1981, on 23 July 2015 - 05:19 AM, said:

It absolutely *should* happen. The planets should stay wolf (in this example) but lose the -MS- tag. There should also be significant incentives to get and hold planets, thus discouraging faction hopping.

This is how I think it should work, too.

[Scratx]

Given the way the current tag system is basically actually "<Unit> was MVP here!", I fail to see why stripping the tag on faction change should happen.

[ScarecrowES]

When the next phase of CW comes down, loyalist units will have the power to incentivise planetary action on an individual level and compete directly for merc contracts. PGI is making it easier for merc units to bounce back and forth between contracts. You can't then penalize them for doing what mercs are supposed to do - go after the money - by taking away their planets every time they take a new contact. Not going to happen.

[Revis Volek]

Titannium, on 23 July 2015 - 01:02 AM, said:

-ms-.. why not caliing it with real name, ie 66AH.

what?

What the hell are you going on about this time?


And to OP, changing factions doesnt negate all gains from your time there...you get to keep them still.

Edited by DarthRevis, 23 July 2015 - 09:13 AM.

[Dirk Le Daring]

Joseph Mallan, on 23 July 2015 - 02:33 AM, said:

Yes. It was called the Star League Defense Force

I do not understand, please explain.

ScarecrowES, on 23 July 2015 - 05:03 AM, said:

MS is a merc unit. They're beholden to no house except temporarily via contract. Why would they just automatically lose planets they've taken just by changing contracts? They took those planets fair and square under the Wolf banner.

Because they have changed to another faction, in fact in this case, the enemies of the Houses. It would only make sense to lose the tag from the planet. They took it for Wolf, it remains Wolf, but -MS- are now the enemy of Wolf, so should lose the planet. Why would any House or Clan allow an enemy unit to control their territory ? That just makes no sense at all.

ScarecrowES, on 23 July 2015 - 05:03 AM, said:

They actually got punished for this during the last event when units were able to take planets that they took while under another faction and it counted against their current faction total.

Taking away planets that a faction won fairly just cant fly in CW. Sorry.

If they had planet X, and then changed faction, then retook planet X from themselves after changing to another faction that's not being punished.

And this is where the door of exploitation is open......

Theoretically it is currently possible with this mechanic, for a single unit to occupy the entire Inner Sphere. Given the time and good coordination. Especially considering the player driven invasion paths that are about to be implemented.

Scratx, on 23 July 2015 - 06:49 AM, said:

Given the way the current tag system is basically actually &quot;&lt;Unit&gt; was MVP here!&quot;, I fail to see why stripping the tag on faction change should happen.

Because they no longer occupy the world. The tag is that of the occupying force, not most valuable unit. It is even stated on the planet in the map screen.... Occupying Unit.

Edited by Dirk Le Daring, 23 July 2015 - 04:03 PM.

[MauttyKoray]

The way it works is that the Unit who contributed the most to the planet's attack/defense will be given the tag for the planet. Obviously it will need to be addressed for when features like upgrading planet defenses roll out. However for now the tag is nothing more than a symbol showing off your unit. Currently they're not 'controlled' by anyone but the main faction. Think of it currently as an MVP tag.

[Ted Wayz]

You are right, limits to unit membership required.