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Does The Shadow Cat Spell The Kfox's Death?


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#1 hero2zero

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Posted 20 July 2015 - 11:36 AM

The Shadow Cat medium mech will be out in a few hours and it's going to beat the Kit Fox in 95% of the situations and roles on the battlefield (triple AMS is the only thing going for the Fox, and even that is rarely used [by myself at least]). To be more specific:

Tonnage: 45 vs 30 (Armor: 306 vs 210)
Speed: 106 vs 106 (speed tweek)
JJ: 6 vs 6 (max)
ECM: both (Torso vs Arm)
MASC: Yes vs No
Free space: 15 tons vs 11.5 tons (ECM, 6JJ vs ECM, 4JJ)


I'm finding it really hard to find something which the Kfox can do better. The KFox has been the single ECM/JJ capable clan-tech wielding mech in the game up until now, and while the Arctic cheetah will change that tomorrow, it will play differently: with engine being twice as heavy it will not be able to pack the same loadouts a KFox can (sure it will be able to mount 6 cSPL for instance) and it will fulfil a different role. But the Shadow Cat? better in every _useful_ role. Make me a little sad but I will definitely keep playing the Fox.

#2 Malcolm Vordermark

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Posted 20 July 2015 - 11:40 AM

Tonnage would more likely be 15 vs 14 in favor of the Shadowcat. However, I don't see them as competition for one another. I see the Arctic Cheetah as the mech that is taking over the Kit Fox's spot as they weigh the same.

Edited by Rouken, 20 July 2015 - 11:44 AM.


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Posted 20 July 2015 - 11:47 AM

The kitfox was stillborn, so the shadowcat won't be able to kill it. Tonnage restriction in CW aside, there was no reason to ever take a kitfox.

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Posted 20 July 2015 - 11:50 AM

Different weight classes, different tonnages.

The Arctic Cheetah is what will make the Kit Fox extinct.

#5 Kira Onime

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Posted 20 July 2015 - 11:50 AM

View PostRouken, on 20 July 2015 - 11:40 AM, said:

Tonnage would more likely be 15 vs 14 in favor of the Shadowcat. However, I don't see them as competition for one another. I see the Arctic Cheetah as the mech that is taking over the Kit Fox's spot as they weigh the same.



Shadow cat will have 16 free tons to paly with assuming it will run ECM and max armor.
It'll have it's niche but won't really challenge other mediums such as the crow.

Cheetah on the other one will flat out be top clan light mech no questions asked.

#6 0bsidion

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Posted 20 July 2015 - 12:03 PM

Well, I'm reasonably sure you'll be able to kill Kit Foxes in a SCat. Not that you can't kill one in just about anything else. Other than that, a Kit Fox is a light, the SCat is the medium.

The more apt comparison would be the AC vs the Kit. The AC does everything most people want a light to do. Runs fast, jumps, does ECM, carries about as much firepower as you might expect, has good hard point arrangements. The Kit is slower, but has more pod space, not quite as good hard point arrangement. Most everyone would drop the Kit like a hot potato for the AC just due to speed alone.

#7 Lugh

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Posted 20 July 2015 - 12:11 PM

MY OCD will demand they be mastered anyway

#8 Scratx

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Posted 20 July 2015 - 12:26 PM

Kit Fox is still going to be a much better support mech than the Cheetah or the Shadow Cat.


Seriously. Triple. AMS.

(and if you're helping the big blob speed isn't going to be much of an issue anyway)

#9 C E Dwyer

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Posted 20 July 2015 - 12:27 PM

If your talking pugs then there is zero reason to take a Kitfox over a Shadowcat

drop deck weight and weight class limitations on group drops is another matter

#10 Scratx

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Posted 20 July 2015 - 12:28 PM

View PostCathy, on 20 July 2015 - 12:27 PM, said:

If your talking pugs then there is zero reason to take a Kitfox over a Shadowcat

drop deck weight and weight class limitations on group drops is another matter


Different weight classes mean they don't actually match against each other. SCat means you might be getting a Stormcrow on the other side, Fox means you might be getting an Adder, Lynx or Cheetah.

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Posted 20 July 2015 - 12:34 PM

View PostKira_Onime, on 20 July 2015 - 11:50 AM, said:



Shadow cat will have 16 free tons to paly with assuming it will run ECM and max armor.
It'll have it's niche but won't really challenge other mediums such as the crow.

Cheetah on the other one will flat out be top clan light mech no questions asked.


17 stock, 16 max armour, 15 armour+ECM.


Mediocre all around, but shouldn't be bad.


I saw the 2E (non ECM) torso of the Hankyu had some sort of heat quirk...I LOLed. It was green, so positive. Didn't catch the amount. ECM one had a structure bonus.

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Posted 20 July 2015 - 12:54 PM

Nope, the KFX is a damn fine mech, they will complement each other and any team that knows how to use it properly.

#13 Kira Onime

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Posted 20 July 2015 - 01:03 PM

View PostMcgral18, on 20 July 2015 - 12:34 PM, said:


17 stock, 16 max armour, 15 armour+ECM.


Mediocre all around, but shouldn't be bad.


I saw the 2E (non ECM) torso of the Hankyu had some sort of heat quirk...I LOLed. It was green, so positive. Didn't catch the amount. ECM one had a structure bonus.



Heh well I was close.

I was also expecting the Shadow and Cheetah to come quirkless.

#14 Gas Guzzler

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Posted 20 July 2015 - 01:11 PM

View PostMcgral18, on 20 July 2015 - 12:34 PM, said:


17 stock, 16 max armour, 15 armour+ECM.


Mediocre all around, but shouldn't be bad.


I saw the 2E (non ECM) torso of the Hankyu had some sort of heat quirk...I LOLed. It was green, so positive. Didn't catch the amount. ECM one had a structure bonus.


7 cSPL Cheetah baby

#15 Kain Demos

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Posted 20 July 2015 - 01:18 PM

View PostGas Guzzler, on 20 July 2015 - 01:11 PM, said:


7 cSPL Cheetah baby


I doubt even 6 will be optimal. I am going to start with 5 and see how that works.

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Posted 20 July 2015 - 01:20 PM

cSPL lasers are very cool, only 3 heat each. I think 6 will for sure be fine.

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Posted 20 July 2015 - 01:23 PM

View PostGas Guzzler, on 20 July 2015 - 01:20 PM, said:

cSPL lasers are very cool, only 3 heat each. I think 6 will for sure be fine.


On the toasty side, but manageable. 3 ERMLs worth of heat.

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Posted 20 July 2015 - 01:23 PM

Kitfox has been useless since its equipment got locked and after ERML got a global heat increase IMO.

Its a terribly bloated and slow light, but at least it has ECM ..

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Posted 20 July 2015 - 01:26 PM

View PostGas Guzzler, on 20 July 2015 - 01:20 PM, said:

cSPL lasers are very cool, only 3 heat each. I think 6 will for sure be fine.


The buildup is slow but when you reach the cap the cooldown will be slow as well, worse if you are jump jetting. I have time behind the wheel in both a 4 x CSPL MLX and 5 x CSPL IFR and while my first thought was for 6 in the Arctic Cheetah the few DHS and the fact that use of JJs will further slow cooling is really leaning me towards 5.

#20 XxXAbsolutZeroXxX

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Posted 20 July 2015 - 01:28 PM

Maybe the ECM cicada will make the ECM raven extinct next...

Oh, wait.





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