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[Zeriniel]

Joseph Mallan, on 22 July 2015 - 08:09 AM, said:

Except the Wolfhound IIC is all Clan built...
AND actually Unique.

I find it amusing that many of the Hero Mechs we have were one of a kind Unique in Universe, and you can have an entire team of Yen-Lo-Wangs running around.

That team would never lose if they were all piloted by the Deus Ex Machina Shielded Kai Allard-Liao

Actually...Only one KAL would be neccessary for a team to never lose.

Edited by Zeriniel, 22 July 2015 - 08:21 AM.

[Joseph Mallan]

Zeriniel, on 22 July 2015 - 08:20 AM, said:

I find it amusing that many of the Hero Mechs we have were one of a kind Unique in Universe, and you can have an entire team of Yen-Lo-Wangs running around.

That team would never lose if they were all piloted by the Deus Ex Machina Shielded Kai Allard-Liao

Actually...Only one KAL would be neccessary for a team to never lose.

Oh I know. I was in a minority when it came to the Yen Lo Wang. A Mech like that should be THE prize of a Centurion Tournament. The anybody can buy a hero Mech... Just seems wrong to me. And I am on my 3rd Yen Lo Wang! This one I actually spent money for. The other two were bought in CB when I had my MCs reset.

When it first released there WERE teams that had their wangs out!

Edited by Joseph Mallan, 22 July 2015 - 08:27 AM.

[Alan Davion]

Joseph Mallan, on 22 July 2015 - 06:22 AM, said:

We Spheroids don't get Omnis for CW... But I am not against what you are proposing.

MeiSooHaityu, on 22 July 2015 - 06:25 AM, said:

PGI has already said no mixed tech. The Inner Sphere is not going to get a Dire Wolf.

Even the IICs were always clan mechs, so that still decision still stands.

MeiSooHaityu, on 22 July 2015 - 07:14 AM, said:

Doesn't matter. The IS can't run Clan mechs and Clan can't run IS mechs. That's just what PGI was telling us. I mean they also told us no 3PV and that happened so I guess nothing is written in stone. Still, I don't think I would hold my breath.

Unless....when the Clan IIC mechs hit, they change the rules and let IS factions run clan mechs as salvage to counteract the IICs.

Wow, things would really go to crap in the games and forums after that.

MeiSooHaityu, on 22 July 2015 - 07:55 AM, said:

I meant that IIC mechs started out as Clan mechs built off of SLDF mechs that went on Exodus with Kerensky so they were always clan. I think some might think the IIC mechs were repurposed IS mechs captured after the invasion.

And yes, there is always a chance I don't know what I'm talking about when it comes to Lore and the BT universe. Things can get confusing or muddy from time to time.

MeiSooHaityu, on 22 July 2015 - 07:58 AM, said:

I mentioned that too responding to cdlord earlier. Yea, nothing is written in stone, but I wouldn't think PGI would let IS factions run Clan mechs. I just think that would be a bad idea. Just IMO.

Actually the IS did eventually get Clan Omni-Mechs, thanks to the Wolve's Dragoons building them in secret on the planet Outreach. This helped accelerate IS Omni-Mech technology, and would pay dividends when it came time to destroy the Smoke Jaguars.

How this would work in MWO though, I really can't say. Except that maybe only certain Clan Omnis should be made available? Dire Wolf and Timber Wolf for example.

[Zeriniel]

Joseph Mallan, on 22 July 2015 - 08:26 AM, said:

Oh I know. I was in a minority when it came to the Yen Lo Wang. A Mech like that should be THE prize of a Centurion Tournament. The anybody can buy a hero Mech... Just seems wrong to me. And I am on my 3rd Yen Lo Wang! This one I actually spent money for. The other two were bought in CB when I had my MCs reset.

When it first released there WERE teams that had their wangs out!

I think PGI has set up a system where they could've exploited it in a different way.
If they want this to be an E-Sport, or whatever, I can only imagine how much more effort would be put into tournaments if an exclusive mech was the prize.

Could've been a Solaris precursor - a series of 1v1 /2v2 matches with the winners getting exclusive mechs.
Or at least exclusive paint schemes.

Also, what do you do with three Wangs?

Edited by Zeriniel, 22 July 2015 - 08:48 AM.

[MeiSooHaityu]

Alan Davion, on 22 July 2015 - 08:44 AM, said:

Actually the IS did eventually get Clan Omni-Mechs, thanks to the Wolve's Dragoons building them in secret on the planet Outreach. This helped accelerate IS Omni-Mech technology, and would pay dividends when it came time to destroy the Smoke Jaguars.

How this would work in MWO though, I really can't say. Except that maybe only certain Clan Omnis should be made available? Dire Wolf and Timber Wolf for example.

Yea, I know the IS eventually builds their own Omni mechs, but that timeline is far away (unless PGI fudges the timelines).

I just don't like the idea of IS running clan Omnimechs.

You know what, on second thought, I'll actually withdraw my opinion on this and just say I'm indifferent on the idea. I don't play CW (where this would really come into play), so I shouldn't feel strongly one way or the other. Really, the CW warriors should decide I suppose and see if PGI agrees.

[Alan Davion]

MeiSooHaityu, on 22 July 2015 - 08:50 AM, said:

Yea, I know the IS eventually builds their own Omni mechs, but that timeline is far away (unless PGI fudges the timelines).

I just don't like the idea of IS running clan Omnimechs.

You know what, on second thought, I'll actually withdraw my opinion on this and just say I'm indifferent on the idea. I don't play CW (where this would really come into play), so I shouldn't feel strongly one way or the other. Really, the CW warriors should decide I suppose and see if PGI agrees.

Not really.

There's no exact dates, but the first three IS Omnimechs that I could find on Sarna are the Firestarter, Owens and Hauptmann, all somewhere in 3056.

But as I said, the Wolf's Dragoons had been building Clan Omnimechs on Outreach, for at least one year that I know of, possibly more than that. So the IS did have a limited supply of Clan Omnis, though I'll be damned if I know which ones they were making.

[Joseph Mallan]

Zeriniel, on 22 July 2015 - 08:46 AM, said:

I think PGI has set up a system where they could've exploited it in a different way.
If they want this to be an E-Sport, or whatever, I can only imagine how much more effort would be put into tournaments if an exclusive mech was the prize.

Could've been a Solaris precursor - a series of 1v1 /2v2 matches with the winners getting exclusive mechs.
Or at least exclusive paint schemes.

Also, what do you do with three Wangs?

Shot Mech Porn!


(the first two went back into the MC pool on the resets. So I only have 1.)

Alan Davion, on 22 July 2015 - 08:44 AM, said:

Actually the IS did eventually get Clan Omni-Mechs, thanks to the Wolve's Dragoons building them in secret on the planet Outreach. This helped accelerate IS Omni-Mech technology, and would pay dividends when it came time to destroy the Smoke Jaguars.

How this would work in MWO though, I really can't say. Except that maybe only certain Clan Omnis should be made available? Dire Wolf and Timber Wolf for example.

And they Only Sold those Omnis to forces they actually trusted. Which did not include House Lords.

Edited by Joseph Mallan, 22 July 2015 - 09:04 AM.

[Lexx]

If PGI introduced hero clan mechs, I think they should be non omni variants with unique geometry. By locking down and limiting the weapon hard points, they can be moved to different locations. This would create a unique looking mech that stands out from the omni version.

They could work like IIC mechs where you could change the engine, structure, armor type, ect. A limited number of locked weapons hardpoints would keep them from being OP.

If they introduced the Widowmaker, it would have 7 energy and one ballistic hardpoint. (because that's what it has in lore) PGI could give it a unique look to make it stand out from the other Dire Wolves (beyond just having a unique paint job).

Edited by Lexx, 22 July 2015 - 09:23 AM.

[Joseph Mallan]

Lexx, on 22 July 2015 - 09:18 AM, said:

Everytime I see your name I think of...

[Lexx]

Joseph Mallan, on 22 July 2015 - 09:24 AM, said:

Everytime I see your name I think of...

You think of an image link that doesn't work?

I got this name back in MW3 when I joined the Gimpoids. (MW3 stock unit)

I liked a certain show that was on the Sci-Fi channel back then, so I went with Lexx_Gimpoid.

[Joseph Mallan]

Lexx, on 22 July 2015 - 09:35 AM, said:

You think of an image link that doesn't work?

I got this name back in MW3 when I joined the Gimpoids. (MW3 stock unit)

I liked a certain show that was on the Sci-Fi channel back then, so I went with Lexx_Gimpoid.

Thats what I linked... With Xenia Seeberg front and center.

[Aggravated Assault Mech]

Clans should get hero mechs, but giving Clan mechs to IS drop decks as hero mechs only is a really bad idea. It massively complicates the issue of balancing Clan vs. IS as far as CW is concerned.

[Alan Davion]

vnlk65n, on 22 July 2015 - 09:39 AM, said:

Clans should get hero mechs, but giving Clan mechs to IS drop decks as hero mechs only is a really bad idea. It massively complicates the issue of balancing Clan vs. IS as far as CW is concerned.

It's impossible to balance IS against Clan as it is, as the intended balance method, 12 v 10, is supposedly impossible to implement.

The Clans are supposed to be able to fight at further ranges, and then we have zellbrigen which demands a one-on-one engagement... Which of course is also impossible in MWO.

The only advantage the IS is able to bring to the table are sheer numbers and focused fire.

So something else needs to give here, that being IS Omnimech technology. We either need the IS Omnimechs added in, or the ability for the IS to bring Clan mechs into CW.

[Throat Punch]

Arle Vox, on 22 July 2015 - 07:50 AM, said:

I just noticed this. The IIC Mechs are all, in terms of BattleTech lore, originally Inner Sphere (or at least SLDF) mechs. You're misunderstanding what I'm talking about, or you just don't know what you're talking about.

No, the IIC mechs are upgraded designs based off of SDLF 'mechs using clan tech. They aren't SDLF 'mechs, they are 100% pure clan.

[Kassatsu]

GRiPSViGiL, on 22 July 2015 - 06:37 AM, said:

Anyone that has the gumption to stomach enough CW grinding to max out their faction or house should get a gold mech.

You know - because CW is garbage.

Most people don't throw gold in the trash though.

[Zeriniel]

Alan Davion, on 22 July 2015 - 09:47 AM, said:

It's impossible to balance IS against Clan as it is, as the intended balance method, 12 v 10, is supposedly impossible to implement.

The Clans are supposed to be able to fight at further ranges, and then we have zellbrigen which demands a one-on-one engagement... Which of course is also impossible in MWO.

The only advantage the IS is able to bring to the table are sheer numbers and focused fire.

So something else needs to give here, that being IS Omnimech technology. We either need the IS Omnimechs added in, or the ability for the IS to bring Clan mechs into CW.

OmniMechs don't offer any real advantage in this game making IS Omnis worthwhile. What gives Clan Omnimechs their superiority (in this game) is ClanTech weaponry.

[Chuck Jager]

I do not know the lore, but the size of the Dwolf could have some real fun names based on real history (for S**ts and giggles plz dont go fan boy).

Runners up

• Herman Goring since he had a Panzer Division named after him and he was a big fat Bad Guy (some very valid political issues)
  
• The Rosbud after Orson Welles
  
• Santa Claus - just for the camo

The WINNER
The Grill after George Foreman - tried to stay away from sports because of regional difference but this man is the DireWolf that walked the earth. Possibly the hardest hitting boxer to live, he made the mistake of not training his endurance/agility at his peak so he lost his title to Ali (way too good of an analogy and a great historical fight). He won his title back at age 45 when the current champion made the mistake of standing in front of him to trade blows (another great analogy). If you look at tapes from the later periods people would talk about his weaknesses especially the loss of speed/agility, but they almost all commented on not wanting to ever being on the receiving end of his punch. Maybe PGI could make a charity mech for one of the many causes Foreman is famous for helping (this is an afterthought, but Foreman is known for using his persona/success as a gift and responsibility to genuinely help others)

[Joseph Mallan]

Zeriniel, on 22 July 2015 - 10:00 AM, said:

OmniMechs don't offer any real advantage in this game making IS Omnis worthwhile. What gives Clan Omnimechs their superiority (in this game) is ClanTech weaponry.

Imagine if The Atlas had a L & R side Torso Pod that had Ballistic or Missile HP, and tell me there would be no advantage! I'd be sporting a Devastator on at least one build!

Edited by Joseph Mallan, 22 July 2015 - 10:39 AM.

[Zeriniel]

Joseph Mallan, on 22 July 2015 - 10:38 AM, said:

Imagine if The Atlas had a L & R side Torso Pod that had Ballistic or Missile HP, and tell me there would be no advantage! I'd be sporting a Devastator on at least one build!

I meant actual IS Omnimechs.
No Omni Atlases that I know of
And what would the DevestAtlas do that a King Crab can't?

At that rate, why not just put in the Devestator? Timeline compliant, has 3 Variants, and much like the KGC, just differentiate them by Hardpoints.

And make a Hero Devestator based off of the MUSE EARTH variant.
MASC + SC on an Assault mech with a 400XL.

Edited by Zeriniel, 22 July 2015 - 10:48 AM.

[Joseph Mallan]

Zeriniel, on 22 July 2015 - 10:44 AM, said:

I meant actual IS Omnimechs.
No Omni Atlases that I know of

At that rate, why not just put in the Devestator? Timeline compliant, has 3 Variants, and much like the KGC, just differentiate them by Hardpoints.

And make a Hero Devestator based off of the MUSE EARTH variant.
MASC + SC on an Assault mech with a 400XL.

I know but the point is As is I cannot have 2 torso mounted AC20 or an AC10 in both sides as I can on TT. It is a limitation that is happily not held by Omnis

Your Hero Assault sounds like the Berzerker.

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And what would the DevestAtlas do that a King Crab can't?

Stand up tall!?!

Edited by Joseph Mallan, 22 July 2015 - 10:55 AM.