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[Ductus Hase]

Hi,

testing Streakcrow for a while now - I think C-SSRM are way to powerful right now.
Rangemodule and this beast got almost 400m Range combined with devastating Alphas.

Either shorten the Range to 270m as with IS-SSRM

or

to keep them unique, change the interaction of AMS, being more dangerous than LRMs let AMS prioritize Streaks and nerf Streaks durability.

[mogs01gt]

It's not really a true alpha since the damage is spreading. SRMs have the same issues LBX do, cant hit where you want them to. They are only good against lights and vs 1 ECM mech. Two ECM mechs will nullify all of your damage.

Edited by mogs01gt, 23 July 2015 - 10:00 AM.

[bobobobobiy]

Streaks are in a good place right now.

[Malcolm Vordermark]

Their power really only comes from overcoming hit reg issues on light mechs. Against heavier targets there are much better choices.

[Roadkill]

Honestly, if you're getting hit by Streaks at 400 meters you're doing something wrong in a Light or you're in an Assault and don't care.

Streaks are only good in one pretty specific situation - when boated and fired at Lights at no more than medium range (short range is much better). Against anything heavier, or at long range, they're mediocre at best.

[Rakshasa]

Streaks are powerful and never miss true, but each missile locks onto a random "bone" in the target mech which also makes them a bit unpredictable. I've spent a couple of matches swearing at my Streaks because they refused to cooperate and insisted on targeting the arms and legs of the mech I was after instead of its cherry red CT. There's also the issues of range and ammo, which come into play quite a bit in my experience - most of which was spent being blown apart by longer-ranged lasers/ballistics or watching beloved and valuable parts of my mech explode and fall off because someone had critted my pendulously swollen ammo bins.

Maybe I've just had bad luck, but...yeah. Facing streakboats I don't worry nearly as much as when I see a gauss or wub boat. I find boomjagers are worse at Streak range because you know both those shells are going right into the softest part of your squishy metal coffin together, as bro's, high-fiving all the way

tl;dr - Streaks are good in some ways, bad in others. Seem okay right now.

Edited by Rakshasa, 23 July 2015 - 10:19 AM.

[Top Leliel]

Rakshasa, on 23 July 2015 - 10:10 AM, said:

Streaks are powerful, but each missile locks onto a random "bone" in the target mech which also makes them a bit unpredictable. I've spent a couple of matches swearing at my Streaks because they refused to cooperate and insisted on targeting the arms and legs of the mech I was after instead of its cherry red CT. There's also the issues of range and ammo, which come into play quite a bit in my experience, most of which was spent being blown apart by lasers/ballistics or watching parts of my mech explode because someone had critted my pendulously swollen ammo bins.

Makes me wonder, perhaps using a targeting computer/command console could make your streaks have a high chance to lock on to the most damaged part of the enemy mech? That would be very lore-friendly(advanced targeting helps guided munitions find the weak points) and people might take those items more often.

[Alistair Winter]

Ductus Hase, on 23 July 2015 - 09:57 AM, said:

testing Streakcrow for a while now - I think C-SSRM are way to powerful right now.
Rangemodule and this beast got almost 400m Range combined with devastating Alphas.

I'd prefer it they changed the Target Lock mechanism. Right now, you just have to aim anywhere within that huge red rectangular target marker. You don't actually have to aim directly at the mech. But for a little while, there was a bug in MWO that only let you get target locks if you were actually aiming directly at the mech. This would basically remove the training wheels from the Streakboats, because your aim would need to be just as good with Streaks as with any other weapons.

I'd also like to see target locks broken quicker, because right now you can torso twist quite a lot while maintaining target lock.

Streaks and LRMs need to stop being situation-specific noobtubes and start becoming skill-based weapons. It'll be much easier to balance them once aiming skill becomes a factor.

[Lugh]

Rakshasa, on 23 July 2015 - 10:10 AM, said:

Streaks are powerful and never miss true, but each missile locks onto a random "bone" in the target mech which also makes them a bit unpredictable. I've spent a couple of matches swearing at my Streaks because they refused to cooperate and insisted on targeting the arms and legs of the mech I was after instead of its cherry red CT. There's also the issues of range and ammo, which come into play quite a bit in my experience - most of which was spent being blown apart by longer-ranged lasers/ballistics or watching beloved and valuable parts of my mech explode and fall off because someone had critted my pendulously swollen ammo bins.

Maybe I've just had bad luck, but...yeah. Facing streakboats I don't worry nearly as much as when I see a gauss or wub boat. I find boomjagers are worse at Streak range because you know both those shells are going right into the softest part of your squishy metal coffin together, as bro's, high-fiving all the way

tl;dr - Streaks are good in some ways, bad in others. Seem okay right now.

You can help them somewhat by releasing from a 'side' look at that torso. The boning locks are much more likely to hit the torso then as there is 'less to choose from'

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Streaks and LRMs need to stop being situation-specific noobtubes and start becoming skill-based weapons. It'll be much easier to balance them once aiming skill becomes a factor.

They already are skill based weapons that are more difficult to use EFFECTIVELY than direct fire because almost no one understands HOW to use them correctly.

[Greenjulius]

mogs01gt, on 23 July 2015 - 10:00 AM, said:

It's not really a true alpha since the damage is spreading. SRMs have the same issues LBX do, cant hit where you want them to. They are only good against lights and vs 1 ECM mech. Two ECM mechs will nullify all of your damage.

There is an exception; If you are able to maneuver to the side of an enemy mech, the Streaks often will hit all on the one side since they are trying to travel through to the other sides components.

When fighting streak boats, it's often best to simply present your front and not torso twist, unless you have an asymetrical build with a shield side. I've made the mistake of torso twisting at the wrong moment and taken most of the streaks in the side torso.

Other than that, I think Streaks are fairly well balanced, and often feast or famine. At the moment there are tons of Cheetahs and Cats running around, which are both susceptible to streaks, so they might seem more powerful than usual. If you run into a 60+ ton mech while running a streakboat, you'll usually be at a disadvantage.

[Lugh]

Mystere, on 23 July 2015 - 10:31 AM, said:

Did someone just get splattered by CSSRMs and subsequently decided to immediately run to the forums?

First they raged in game and whatever voice coms they were using THEN they went to the forums. They are still miffed that their participation trophy is not large enough.

[zagibu]

Well, if clan streaks are fine, what about IS streaks?

[Black Ivan]

Adding more ghost heat to boating Streaks would be an option by now, everything else if fine

[Lugh]

zagibu, on 23 July 2015 - 10:33 AM, said:

Well, if clan streaks are fine, what about IS streaks?

They are also fine. If less effective at longer ranges.

[Ascaloth]

zagibu, on 23 July 2015 - 10:33 AM, said:

Well, if clan streaks are fine, what about IS streaks?

Please don't tell me you are having problems to hit Adders and Kit Foxes with non-streak SRM!
Relax, i'm kidding, Having SSRM-2 only is quite painful nowadays. I remember the days of the streak-Commando, hunting other lights and kicking serious a**. Good times.

[zagibu]

Lugh, on 23 July 2015 - 10:34 AM, said:

They are also fine. If less effective at longer ranges.

I don't think they are fine. In fact, I think even flamers get more often used than IS streaks.

[Mardek]

Ascaloth, on 23 July 2015 - 10:42 AM, said:

Please don't tell me you are having problems to hit Adders and Kit Foxes with non-streak SRM!
Relax, i'm kidding, Having SSRM-2 only is quite painful nowadays. I remember the days of the streak-Commando, hunting other lights and kicking serious a**. Good times.

Or streakintaros ... Being a light pilot back in the days i hated those, now i haven't see one in ages

Edited by Mardek, 23 July 2015 - 11:08 AM.

[DONTOR]

Its pretty terrible against any heavy or assault mech. Not to mention i do a damn fine job of avoiding and escaping them in my lights.

[Ascaloth]

Mardek, on 23 July 2015 - 11:08 AM, said:

Or streakintaros ... Being a light pilot back in the days i hated those, now i haven't see one in ages

Oh my god...the streakintaros!
And the legendary Streak-cat, King of Darkness (Light killer, derp)!

[Mardek]

Ascaloth, on 23 July 2015 - 11:18 AM, said:

Oh my god...the streakintaros!
And the legendary Streak-cat, King of Darkness (Light killer, derp)!

Steakcat where used more for the insane splash DMG they got if i remember correctly

Edited by Mardek, 23 July 2015 - 11:22 AM.