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[Zacpod]

Seems that all the CW drops I do are 12 single players vs an organized group.
Get slaughtered every time,
About as much fun as a root canal.
Going back to normal drops. Obviously the CW matchmaker only exists to give cannon fodder to clans.

[Chemistrius]

There is no CW Matchmaker; first 12 people in line vs first 12 oppposing people in line.

[Khereg]

That which does not exist, by definition must function perfectly.

[sycocys]

Is LFG or Faction chat broken?

Why are you not organizing at least a partial team before you even think of dropping into community warfare?

[Kin3ticX]

Zacpod, on 27 July 2015 - 05:30 PM, said:

Seems that all the CW drops I do are 12 single players vs an organized group.
Get slaughtered every time,
About as much fun as a root canal.
Going back to normal drops. Obviously the CW matchmaker only exists to give cannon fodder to clans.

Community warfare is better with a unit and also has its own learning curve of sorts. If you refuse to join a unit, you can also hang out in one of the various faction hubs. There are resources pinned in the CW forums for players new to CW. Check it out.

Edited by Kin3ticX, 27 July 2015 - 08:09 PM.

[DownRightFierce]

sycocys, on 27 July 2015 - 06:50 PM, said:

Is LFG or Faction chat broken?

Why are you not organizing at least a partial team before you even think of dropping into community warfare?

Because it's easier for them to whine about getting stomped by an organized team instead of making their own.

[Zacpod]

DownRightFierce, on 27 July 2015 - 08:14 PM, said:

Because it's easier for them to whine about getting stomped by an organized team instead of making their own.

I have zero interest in being part of a unit. I play solo, or with an IRL friend. Your snobby attitude is exactly why I have zero interest in joining another unit.

Chemistrius, on 27 July 2015 - 05:53 PM, said:

There is no CW Matchmaker; first 12 people in line vs first 12 oppposing people in line.

Ah! That explains it - thanks!

When I was in Ghost Bear it was a lot more even - I'd generally end up with a few small groups and a few solos, going against a similar force. Good times! Since I flipped over to Davion, however, every CW drop I've done has been all solos vs large groups. Decidedly unbalanced. I guess I just need to go back to GB.

Maybe PGI should implement a double queue system - 1 queue for singles, and 1 for groups. It's never much fun when things are too unbalanced, for either side. No chance = no fun, and no challenge = no fun.

[TWIAFU]

Chemistrius, on 27 July 2015 - 05:53 PM, said:

There is no CW Matchmaker; first 12 people in line vs first 12 oppposing people in line.

Starting with Unit vs Unit. If not possible, then Unit v Skirmish, Skirmish v Skirmish.

[TWIAFU]

Zacpod, on 27 July 2015 - 05:30 PM, said:

Seems that all the CW drops I do are 12 single players vs an organized group.
Get slaughtered every time,
About as much fun as a root canal.
Going back to normal drops. Obviously the CW matchmaker only exists to give cannon fodder to clans.

Let's see a screenshot of this fabled all 12 are solo.

[Zacpod]

TWIAFU, on 28 July 2015 - 03:05 AM, said:

Let's see a screenshot of this fabled all 12 are solo.

Nice. Someone comes here to express an issue they're having with the game and your response is to call the a liar. Well, go **** yourself. Why would I make **** like that up? Jesus, man, if my company treated our customers like folks here treat people we'd be out of business in a matter of days!

I don't have any screenshots, and since I'm unlikely to drop in CW again I'm not likely to get any. I know what I saw the past few times I dropped though - Davions mostly with no/few unit tags, and clans mostly with unit tags, and mostly matching tags.

Though, like I said in a previous post, that's fine. CW is obviously not meant for solo players, regardless of skill level. I just won't go there anymore. It's the ladies bathroom of mech drops - only go in groups. No loss for me - been doing 'normal' drops since Phoenix and I'll just continue with that. Just need to figure out a way to disable the "blahblah planet needs help" or maybe change it to "blahblah unit needs some pugs to stomp" so I'm not tempted to "help."

[Mystere]

Zacpod, on 28 July 2015 - 06:42 AM, said:

Nice. Someone comes here to express an issue they're having with the game and your response is to call the a liar. Well, go **** yourself. Why would I make **** like that up? Jesus, man, if my company treated our customers like folks here treat people we'd be out of business in a matter of days!

I don't have any screenshots, and since I'm unlikely to drop in CW again I'm not likely to get any. I know what I saw the past few times I dropped though - Davions mostly with no/few unit tags, and clans mostly with unit tags, and mostly matching tags.

Though, like I said in a previous post, that's fine. CW is obviously not meant for solo players, regardless of skill level. I just won't go there anymore. It's the ladies bathroom of mech drops - only go in groups. No loss for me - been doing 'normal' drops since Phoenix and I'll just continue with that. Just need to figure out a way to disable the "blahblah planet needs help" or maybe change it to "blahblah unit needs some pugs to stomp" so I'm not tempted to "help."

Go join Clan Jade Falcon instead. Solo players thrive there, including yours truly.

Also, it's usually better to drop on an attack, not defense. Units usually go to the former, with the solos left doing the latter.

Edited by Mystere, 28 July 2015 - 07:01 AM.

[DarkMetalBlade]

Zacpod, on 28 July 2015 - 06:42 AM, said:

Just need to figure out a way to disable the "blahblah planet needs help" or maybe change it to "blahblah unit needs some pugs to stomp" so I'm not tempted to "help."

Unfortunately, the only way to do that is hoist the black flag once more, by breaking your Davion contract. If you're a die-hard loyalist to them, then I'm sorry, but it's the only way to stop those call-to-arms messages from popping up.

& if you do so, let that be a reminder never to go anywhere near the thing.

[Vxheous]

Mystere, on 28 July 2015 - 06:59 AM, said:

Go join Clan Jade Falcon instead. Solo players thrive there, including yours truly.

Also, it's usually better to drop on an attack, not defense. Units usually go to the former, with the solos left doing the latter.

Mystere speaks the truth about Jade Falcon solo players. Of all the factions that my unit has visited, Clan Jade Falcon has the best solo, small (2-3 man) groups of players. As much as the Jade Falcon makes me cringe as a Wolf, I cannot deny that fact.

Edited by Vxheous Kerensky, 28 July 2015 - 07:08 AM.

[Crockdaddy]

Zacpod, on 27 July 2015 - 10:40 PM, said:

I have zero interest in being part of a unit. I play solo, or with an IRL friend. Your snobby attitude is exactly why I have zero interest in joining another unit.



Ah! That explains it - thanks!

When I was in Ghost Bear it was a lot more even - I'd generally end up with a few small groups and a few solos, going against a similar force. Good times! Since I flipped over to Davion, however, every CW drop I've done has been all solos vs large groups. Decidedly unbalanced. I guess I just need to go back to GB.

Maybe PGI should implement a double queue system - 1 queue for singles, and 1 for groups. It's never much fun when things are too unbalanced, for either side. No chance = no fun, and no challenge = no fun.

I understand the pain you feel, but CW is unit focused. I've pug dropped. At the least you would want to form small groups. Communication and organization is key inside of CW. The game population is no where near large enough to support a split queue system. Russ has brought this up time and again.

Mystere, on 28 July 2015 - 06:59 AM, said:

Go join Clan Jade Falcon instead. Solo players thrive there, including yours truly.

Also, it's usually better to drop on an attack, not defense. Units usually go to the former, with the solos left doing the latter.

I agree with this. Jade Falcon pugs are in fact well above average. They give large units fits very often in CW battles.

[Shad0wsFury]

I had the same problem when I first tried out CW on the Kurita side.

A big part of your problem is that you (like I did) are responding the the in-game pop-ups for planets being attacked. Let me explain why this is a problem: When a group of 6 or 10 or 12 people playing CW are playing CW, there's a good chance they're going to attack. Why? Because first, destroying the o-gens and omega is an attainable goal, even if you get your butt handed to you in the kill/loss department. Second, and more pertinently, when a group of 12 attacks a planet, it starts a 10 minute timer for a defending team to muster up, and the game starts sending out pop-up notifications to everyone eligible to defend that planet that HELP ITS GETTING ATTACKED. People like you and me, who think this is a convenient feature included by PGI to help us find matches, are lured in (one by one, not in groups, MIND YOU) to fight against attackers who almost always have 8+ (usually 12) in a pre-organized group.

Your choices to avoid this are:

1. You can join a unit. Most are not jerks, but some are. Even in non-jerky units, there are always a few jerks. If the leadership are decent people, you shouldn't let the jerks get to you (or deal with it like an adult human being with the leadership of the unit).

2. You can look for opportunities to ATTACK in CW. Chances are, you'll end up with a group of 8+ and you can follow them to glory (if they don't have a full group of 12, and there is enough time/space for you to get in as a random).

3. You can avoid CW entirely. Given the state it's currently in, this is totally understandable. However, it's also not necessary to totally avoid CW to avoid the unbalanced games you're experiencing, it just takes a pretty solid understanding of how CW really works, and a lot of patience if you're not going to join a unit.

[Zacpod]

Thank you friendly folks! I'll give Jade Falcon a try as soon as my Davion contract is up.

(not loyal to any particular flag - just went Davion so I could try some drops in my IS mechs - I have WAY more of them than Clan mechs)

[Kin3ticX]

Zacpod, on 28 July 2015 - 07:34 AM, said:

Thank you friendly folks! I'll give Jade Falcon a try as soon as my Davion contract is up.

(not loyal to any particular flag - just went Davion so I could try some drops in my IS mechs - I have WAY more of them than Clan mechs)

You'll have to excuse at least some of the sarcasm because someone makes a thread like this a few times a week and some people grow impatient, myself included.

This is still beta and has big problems. For example, I have never used the popup thing EVER and it would be a nice discussion topic. We have discussed pug stomping at length in another thread and nobody has a workaround besides join a unit, use better mechs, find a faction hub, etc. Solo pugs should not be clicking that popup not knowing what they are getting into. All you can do is try to improve your chances by strength in numbers and better preparation.

I know "join an unit" or "find a faction hub" seems like a smart ass response to these threads but it is really the first line item on the pre-flight checklist so to speak.

o7

Edited by Kin3ticX, 28 July 2015 - 07:51 AM.

[Jarl Dane]

Community Warfare is setup in such a way that it encourages 'attackers' to be made up of 12 mans, or nearly 12 mans. While 'defenders' are usually made up of random pugs from across known space.

[ApolloKaras]

I would like to see CW be an all day thing, instead of just 2 hours before downtime. I would like to see them integrate the solo/group queues and make it impact cw.

[Tom Sawyer]

Mech The Dane, on 28 July 2015 - 07:52 AM, said:

Community Warfare is setup in such a way that it encourages 'attackers' to be made up of 12 mans, or nearly 12 mans. While 'defenders' are usually made up of random pugs from across known space.

+1

i jumped over to Kurita to get some more mech bays and such. First thing I did was try to get on the main Kurita TS hub which finally I was able to do last night. Jumped into a channel with multiple players and was invited to drop with a solid team of experienced players. We went on the attack and much fun was had. I hope to repeat this again tonight.

Dropping pug is a grab bag for disaster. Finding a good team leads to much more fun