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[Andi Nagasia]

so i was looking at Future Omni Variants for the DWF,
and happened across this DireWolf-C Variant,


DireWolf
C Variant(3054)
HD- 1M.........................................1SRM,,...............................................0
CT- 1JJ 1ECM...............................1JJ 1ECM, ........................................0
RT- 1JJ 1E ...................................1JJ 1M-PL, 1TargetingComputer........0
LT- 1JJ 3E.....................................1JJ 3M-PL,.........................................0
RA- 1E 1M....................................1ER-PPC, 1ATM6, ATM-Ammo..........0
LA-1E 1M.....................................1ER-PPC, 1ATM6, ATM-Ammo...........0
RL- .........................................................................................................
LL- ..........................................................................................................
(Zeros) Denote Pods that are new and would help other Builds)


=the Advantages(the Pods)=
1) ECM(but its CT Only so not Omni Changeable)
2) 3JJ(Jumping DireWolf is already done, see DWF-S)
3) Arm Missile Pods(Amazing but they only have 1 Energy)
4) Head Missile Pod(SRM6 Face, sounds awesome but not much more)
5) 3E LeftTorso Pod(good but S-LT does almost that +1B & +1M)

=the Disadvantages(the Chassis)=
1) Slow Speed(48.6kph)(53.5Kph with Speed Tweak),
2) Small Turn Angle(60* Angle)(66* with Twist X)(72* with Elite),
3) Big Frame(the DWF is very much a Slow walking Building),
4) LRM Magnet(Like the KGC its top is a large Target),


i know we dont have ATM Launchers yet,
but if PGI substituted them out for LRM15s(Same Weight),
would you like to see this Variant Added of the DWF added?

Please Remember this is a cannon Variant,
Sarna(BattleTech Wiki)= DWF(look to C-Variant),
BattleTech Master Unit List= DWF-C,

Paul Inouye on ECM Rework,
(A Significant Change To Ecm)
so DWF-C may not be OP,


Thoughts, Comments, Concerns?
Thanks,

Edit- Links added,
Edit2- Paul on ECM,

Edited by Andi Nagasia, 27 July 2015 - 05:58 PM.

[Mcgral18]

I'd rather Mr Gargles get the Jesus Box with the Conal variant. Swap Light Tag for ERSL, done.
Also comes with torso mounted missiles (2 in the RT(I think))


Whale doesn't really need it.

[Scratx]

Whale with Magic Jesus Box? Please, no.

[Quicksilver Aberration]

Im not sure what made you think the Dire Wolf needs ECM.

[Gas Guzzler]

WM Quicksilver, on 15 July 2015 - 10:50 AM, said:

Im not sure what made you think the Dire Wolf needs ECM.

Well there is an Atlas with ECM so it is only fair!!

[Andi Nagasia]

im looking mostly at the 1M 1E Arms,
i think they would be amazing for my builds,

but why not ECM?
it wont stop the DWF from being Slow and being Focused to death,
it wont stop any Direct fire Weapons from killing it only LRMs,
it wont stop Teammates form leaving it behind,

it is a lore Variant, and should come out as a Clan ECM Assault,
if it does it will be the Slowest ECM in the Game, i think thats fine,

[Big Tin Man]

ECM in CT means now we have jump jetting, 6xCUAC5 or 2 CERPPC, 2 Gauss DWF's roaming the universe, because nobody in their right mind would use those arms.

How about a supply of Super Mario Invincibility stars instead? Would that make you happy?

[Andi Nagasia]

Gas Guzzler, on 15 July 2015 - 10:54 AM, said:

Well there is an Atlas with ECM so it is only fair!!

Enemy Team sees AS7(Any) Everyone shoots it Dead,
Enemy Team sees AS7-DDC Everyone shoots it Dead Faster,

Enemy Team sees DWF(Any) Everyone Shoots it Dead
Enemy Team sees DWF-C Everyone Shoots it Dead Faster,

Seems Balanced to me,

[ScreamingSkull]

Don't expect to see ATMs until switchable ammo is sorted out for LBX and regular ACs.

[Andi Nagasia]

Big Tin Man, on 15 July 2015 - 10:55 AM, said:

ECM in CT means now we have jump jetting, 6xCUAC5 or 2 CERPPC, 2 Gauss DWF's roaming the universe, because nobody in their right mind would use those arms.

How about a supply of Super Mario Invincibility stars instead? Would that make you happy?

Poke fun of me if you will but LRM90 DWF sounds Amazing,
not Very Viable at all, but would be Amazing none the less,

i just have to keep "Raid" on hand,

[Kain Demos]

WM Quicksilver, on 15 July 2015 - 10:50 AM, said:

Im not sure what made you think the Dire Wolf needs ECM.

People cried about the Hellbringer until PGI caved in with an ECM Cataphract.

Quid pro quo.

Edited by Kain Demos, 15 July 2015 - 11:14 AM.

[Ultimax]

WM Quicksilver, on 15 July 2015 - 10:50 AM, said:

Im not sure what made you think the Dire Wolf needs ECM.

Andi seems like a nice guy, but his posting history means I'm basically numb to the daily "super charge my clan mechs moar" threads.

[Quicksilver Aberration]

Andi Nagasia, on 15 July 2015 - 10:55 AM, said:

it wont stop the DWF from being Slow and being Focused to death,
it wont stop Teammates form leaving it behind,

Because those are PUG-only disadvantages, in coordinated teams a Dire is THE assault mech because those aren't a problem when you are actually coordinated. The last thing it needs is ECM to further cement its power especially since it is one ton, which the Whale can easily spare.

Kain Demos, on 15 July 2015 - 11:14 AM, said:

Quid pro quo.

Balance is/should not be quid pro quo, but nice try; also the ECM Phract is nowhere near as good as the Hellbringer.

[Kain Demos]

WM Quicksilver, on 15 July 2015 - 11:44 AM, said:

Because those are PUG-only disadvantages, in coordinated teams a Dire is THE assault mech because those aren't a problem when you are actually coordinated. The last thing it needs is ECM to further cement its power especially since it is one ton, which the Whale can easily spare.


Balance is/should not be quid pro quo, but nice try; also the ECM Phract is nowhere near as good as the Hellbringer.

I agree with you on both counts but what happened happend: People demanded quid pro quo on ECM and got it, setting a ****** precedent.

Now it is time for the flip side of that coin.

Edited by Kain Demos, 15 July 2015 - 11:48 AM.

[Xetelian]

I'm all for adding the C variant.

[Quicksilver Aberration]

Kain Demos, on 15 July 2015 - 11:48 AM, said:

I agree with you on both counts but what happened happend: People demanded quid pro quo on ECM and got it, setting a ****** precedent.

Now it is time for the flip side of that coin.

So because they set a precedent you want to make the best assault even better.....and people wonder why we get ignored when we talk about balance because of agendas like that. I should expect that though.....this is the internet after all.

[Adiuvo]

Kain Demos, on 15 July 2015 - 11:48 AM, said:

I agree with you on both counts but what happened happend: People demanded quid pro quo on ECM and got it, setting a ****** precedent.

Now it is time for the flip side of that coin.

Who cares if it happened before? Why does that mean anything?

MWO isn't an us vs. them game with regards to clans and IS. It's just a game, that we all have to deal with. You aren't locked to factions or mechs.

[DONTOR]

Hell ya, is whined and got their heavy with ECM bout time we got our Assault.

Also I would be happy with the missile hardpoints alone.

Edited by DONTOR, 15 July 2015 - 11:58 AM.

[DONTOR]

Big Tin Man, on 15 July 2015 - 10:55 AM, said:

ECM in CT means now we have jump jetting, 6xCUAC5 or 2 CERPPC, 2 Gauss DWF's roaming the universe, because nobody in their right mind would use those arms.

How about a supply of Super Mario Invincibility stars instead? Would that make you happy?

Its better in the CT than the omni pods, atleast that way you have to buy the actual variant and not just an omni pod.

[Kain Demos]

Adiuvo, on 15 July 2015 - 11:55 AM, said:

Who cares if it happened before? Why does that mean anything?

MWO isn't an us vs. them game with regards to clans and IS. It's just a game, that we all have to deal with. You aren't locked to factions or mechs.

Speaking for yourself, sure but plenty of people ARE polarized in this game aligning themselves to a side. Reading just a handful of threads on the first page should make that blatantly obvious. This is a political environment with two sides lobbying for things that they want and PGI picks and chooses when and who to appease.

Edited by Kain Demos, 15 July 2015 - 12:04 PM.