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[Johny Rocket]

What is it with people turning and running as soon as they see an enemy. EVEN WHEN WE HAVE THEM OUT NUMBERED AAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

Seriously Ive been on a streak where my team just falls apart. The Matchmaker is a Nihilist AI.
Thats all I got.
well and DAMN people, you came to play a game where you shoot enemy players, thats a lot easier to do NOT running the other way.

Edited by Tractor Joe, 04 August 2015 - 06:06 PM.

[Scout Derek]

ERMEEEGOD TIS A DAKKA WHALE RUNNNNNNNN D:

(This never happens to me in-game, bad elo perhaps?)

[Deathlike]

Tractor Joe, on 04 August 2015 - 06:03 PM, said:

What is it with people turning and running as soon as they see an enemy. EVEN WHEN WE HAVE THEM OUT NUMBERED AAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

Seriously Ive been on a streak where my team just falls apart. The Matchmaker is a Nihilist AI.
Thats all I got.
well and DAMN people, you came to play a game where you shoot enemy players, thats a lot easier to do NOT running the other way.

People like their paintjobs/camos unscratched.

I don't know how people figure to "run away" when you have superior numbers, but that's probably why they don't command a match.

PUG Life™.

[Johny Rocket]

Scout Derek, on 04 August 2015 - 06:06 PM, said:

ERMEEEGOD TIS A DAKKA WHALE RUNNNNNNNN D:

(This never happens to me in-game, bad elo perhaps?)

Not unless ELO reset with the patch. Been happening since the comp.
Also making reference to having a high number that is not quantifiable is illogical. EDIT was not meant as combative as it reads.

Deathlike, on 04 August 2015 - 06:12 PM, said:

People like their paintjobs/camos unscratched.

I don't know how people figure to "run away" when you have superior numbers, but that's probably why they don't command a match.

PUG Life™.

I Pug for the CBILLS

Edited by Tractor Joe, 04 August 2015 - 06:36 PM.

[Nothing Whatsoever]

When it happens think of Monty Python or Bennie Hill.

One can at least laugh and smile about it right?

[Johny Rocket]

Praetor Knight, on 04 August 2015 - 06:15 PM, said:

When it happens think of Monty Python or Bennie Hill.

One can at least laugh and smile about it right?

If it would have been a few matches, sure, a trend, no. Lost 3 matches in a row and 1 I was team killed by the guy behind me who was attempting to hide his assault mech behind my Treb 7K and shoot the enemy.

Lots of new people is all I can figure.

[Escef]

Y'know, we all have those games where it seems the rest of the team logged into a war game so that they could play it as a Hide Like a Little B**** simulator.

[El Bandito]

Escef, on 04 August 2015 - 06:46 PM, said:

Y'know, we all have those games where it seems the rest of the team logged into a war game so that they could play it as a Hide Like a Little B**** simulator.

Modern war in itself is pretty much hide and seek simulator.

[Alistair Winter]

Calling them cowards is missing the point though. They're being selfish. They are unwilling to take chances for the team, because the game rewards kills and damage more than anything. So they let other people die, in the hope that they'll get the kills and the damage themselves. It's self-defeating in many situations, of course. They may misjudge their chances and end up losing via roflstomp, which tragically leads to a lower income. But in the long run, it's certainly a viable strategy to be selfish in this game. Unless you're playing 12-man groups.

Don't hate the players, hate the game.

Also, even if being a teamplayer is moderately more profitable than being selfish, people are still going to be tempted by selfish choices, simply because everybody loves to be the one doing the killing as opposed to the one doing the dying. So being a teamplayer needs to be vastly more profitable than being selfish.

But it isn't. So people are being selfish. Not cowards. No one's actually scared of anything. There's no bravery involved in video games.

Edited by Alistair Winter, 04 August 2015 - 07:42 PM.

[El Bandito]

Alistair Winter, on 04 August 2015 - 06:56 PM, said:

So people are being selfish. Not cowards. No one's actually scared of anything. There's no bravery involved in video games.

Tell that to my face when I first played Amnesia: Dark Descent.

Or hell, even back in 1997 when I first played Resident Evil. No ammo, gotten lost, zombies everywhere.

Edited by El Bandito, 04 August 2015 - 07:15 PM.

[Narcissistic Martyr]

Everyone's afraid to commit because no one is willing to follow.

I find that when I'm in my Oxide once I come in behind their line kill the first target and start screaming CHARGE!!!! in VOIP there's a 50/50 chance people will grow a pair.

[IntX]

I get tired of someone yelling 'charge' and I follow him only to find myself all alone because he decided that since only one other team mate followed him, he decided to run... And you wonder why people are skiddish in PUGS.

[LordNothing]

i personally like an agressive fight. a group with a lot of momentum can run through enemy lines and cause total chaos for them. suddenly a very one dimentional fight got multidimensional. aiming for one target exposes your back to another at which point you are spending more time trying to understand your situation than actually firing at the enemy. so when they start focusing targets you find yourself in a very dire situation waiting for your number to be called. ive been on both sides of that fight, and i prefer to be on the agressive side in that situation.

sometimes you will get 6 mechs who are very comfortable with a camp fight, and the remaining mechs with short range weapons arent going to help you. they more often than not stay in cover and wait for something to happen (such as the enemy to flank or the campers you are waiting on to die). this ends up under utilizing the team's full assets and wasting time. but there are ways to turn this into an advantage, a well executed flanking and coordinated push of the camping mechs can severely hurt the enemy. theres nothing wrong with a bit of camping to establish firing lines, but at some point there needs to be an advance.

[Monkey Lover]

[Mister Blastman]

Tractor Joe, on 04 August 2015 - 06:03 PM, said:

What is it with people turning and running as soon as they see an enemy. EVEN WHEN WE HAVE THEM OUT NUMBERED AAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

Seriously Ive been on a streak where my team just falls apart. The Matchmaker is a Nihilist AI.
Thats all I got.
well and DAMN people, you came to play a game where you shoot enemy players, thats a lot easier to do NOT running the other way.

Sir, what you have described is the number one reason I start screaming as loud as I can, alt f4 and go play games like Street Fighter 4 or Chivalry online. In games like those, I get to choose whether I win or lose with my own talent and abilities--and if I do lose, it is my own fault and nobody else's.

I like playing MWO. I don't like when my teammates start pulling that over and over again.

[Kiiyor]

Tractor Joe, on 04 August 2015 - 06:03 PM, said:

What is it with people turning and running as soon as they see an enemy. EVEN WHEN WE HAVE THEM OUT NUMBERED AAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

Seriously Ive been on a streak where my team just falls apart. The Matchmaker is a Nihilist AI.
Thats all I got.
well and DAMN people, you came to play a game where you shoot enemy players, thats a lot easier to do NOT running the other way.

You're first mistake is thinking of the random collection of begrudgingly grouped individuals around you as a team.

Unlike the group queue, your average PUGGER will always always protect their best interests first. The welfare of the team comes a very distant second to the condition of their own skin. I accept this. I love this. If you always expect that the players around you are about to do something incredibly selfish, you'll be able to predict what will happen in most PUG games with surprising accuracy.

If you don't have expectations of teamwork, they can't be broken.

I've even created some contextual narrative around my inclusion in the average PUG group: our force is the shattered remnant of many separate units hastily cobbled together in a desperate attempt to delay a better coordinated enemy force. In my head, I also picture everyone as speaking a different language. No-one trusts each other, but you will still follow your temporary comrades in arms because you know that the unfamiliar mechs around you will make excellent meat shields.

You aren't part of a unit - you're a desperation move from some beleaguered general further up a rapidly collapsing chain of command. Meat for the grinder!

I'm not saying i'm necessarily selfish myself; in fact, this outlook has even helped me see where trouble is likely to appear on the battlefield before it becomes something that can't be dealt with, and i'll react to it.

Edited by Kiiyor, 04 August 2015 - 08:08 PM.

[Kubernetes]

These days I pretty much dread Terra Therma and the western spawn on Alpine, because it's pretty much assured I'll be the first one into the caldera or up the hill, even if I'm driving my Warhawk. I've died in the first few minutes on TT about ten straight times now, because I'm charging the caldera and my team are huddled on a ramp. It's terrible. Last match I died and then spectated a near mint Twolf come up a ramp, run into a nearly cored enemy Dwolf (ST gone, CT orange), and all he did was fire one alpha before jumping off the ledge. It was ridiculous. He ran into a Shadowcat in the caldera lava, fired once and then ran the other way. Ugh.

[Night Thastus]

This game trains people to be cowards. When you are agressive and fearless you'll see that the enemy crumbles regardless of skill level.

[Moonlight Grimoire]

I have time and again seen pugs and CW players fold under unparalleled aggression due to their learned cowardliness. Pugging it sucks, end of story, it is why for most of my time playing MWO anymore I run in CW drops with friends and hop on faction Teamspeak servers to coordinate. It is a lot more fun and a better showing of the game than the painful head-desking that is the pug-life.

I feel for you though, anymore when I am pugging it (say for events that are non-CW) I run solo and just have given up on winning, or even living and just do what I can to help my team win and do enough scouting, flanking, damage, component destruction and spotting assists to get my pay for the game. It is a lot less stressful when you don't focus on how well your team is doing and just do what you can then when you die take a quick stretch break until the match ends.

I know my mentality is not one everyone can adopt, but, it saves a bit on the stress of dealing with pugs. Honestly I don't even bother with trying to get that last shot in on a foe to drop them, just splash every enemy with a bit of damage to get an assist then try to break whatever part has the least armor or whatever target the most people are shooting. Failing that I just do what my Commander has taught our group, "WAAAGH!!!" through a flank of the enemy and go out in a blaze of blind fury. More fun, more relaxing, for me at least. Focusing on the win and anything other than where your team is (so you don't get caught out alone) just spells frustration and disaster.

[Kaeb Odellas]

DO NOT STOP AT THE RAMPS ON TERRA THERMA

WHY DO PEOPLE KEEP DOING THIS

CHRIST