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[Bishop Steiner]

I admit, I almost exclusively use the UAC10 and UAC20.

IMO? They are very very nice. Tighter burst makes it much more effective for keeping damage on target, but still not as effective as IS ACs, which is fine, being as they are lighter. I wouldn't mind a projectile speed boost, at least on the smaller calibers, to encourage more long range use, but at least on the 2 larger bore don't feel it's hugely needed.

Most of my Clan Heavies and Assaults are currently built around UAC10s, with a handful featuring the UAC20 (SCR primarily). I find the UAC10s pair nicely with ERPPC and LPLs, and as tonnage allows, I tend to build around that combo, with my favorite Warhawk packing 1xUAC10/2xERPPC/3xSRM4, and my preferred Direwolf carrying 2xUAC10, 2xERPPC, 3xERML, 4xMG. My Heavies tend to pair a UAC10 and ERPPC with supporting weapons, and I find it effective on all 3 Heavy Omnis I own, the MDD, SMN and TBR. I also run one of my SMN with 4xSRM4+1xUAC10, and it's a pretty brutal fast strike in fighter.

In general, I've gone from UACs being something I wouldn't touch on essentially any mech I built, to heavy UACs being one of my most used weapons. At least, for my fighting style, they seem to work rather well.

Really my biggest remaining complaint? Does it sound vain that I think the UAC10 and UAC20 look like total crap? It's not just that they look like the muffler off of a 1994 Geo Metro (though well, that is a huge part of it) but it's the ludicrous bore size to the sidewall thickness. Most shotguns carry meatier barrels than these things, that look like somebody taped two tubes from a roll of paper towels together. I'm not going to start a twitter campaign (yet) about it, because too many higher priority modeling things in the pipeline, but seriously, does ANYBODY actually think they look good?

Anyhow, that's my UAC ramble and impressions. What are yours?

[Dino Might]

UACs were good before the buffs. They are still good (noticably better). I will continue to use a UAC 20 on my Adder to rip apart heavies and UAC 10s on my Dire to rip apart everything.

I, too, think the gun models look bad. There are many great designs out there they could draw from. I want something that looks impressive as well as sounds impressive. It already has the damage bit worked out. Now make it aesthetically pleasing!

MW2 soundpack is nice for the ACs - a bit of nostalgia bias there, but worth a listen nonetheless.

[Kiiyor]

Bishop Steiner, on 05 August 2015 - 06:36 PM, said:

I admit, I almost exclusively use the UAC10 and UAC20.

IMO? They are very very nice. Tighter burst makes it much more effective for keeping damage on target, but still not as effective as IS ACs, which is fine, being as they are lighter. I wouldn't mind a projectile speed boost, at least on the smaller calibers, to encourage more long range use, but at least on the 2 larger bore don't feel it's hugely needed.

Most of my Clan Heavies and Assaults are currently built around UAC10s, with a handful featuring the UAC20 (SCR primarily). I find the UAC10s pair nicely with ERPPC and LPLs, and as tonnage allows, I tend to build around that combo, with my favorite Warhawk packing 1xUAC10/2xERPPC/3xSRM4, and my preferred Direwolf carrying 2xUAC10, 2xERPPC, 3xERML, 4xMG. My Heavies tend to pair a UAC10 and ERPPC with supporting weapons, and I find it effective on all 3 Heavy Omnis I own, the MDD, SMN and TBR. I also run one of my SMN with 4xSRM4+1xUAC10, and it's a pretty brutal fast strike in fighter.

In general, I've gone from UACs being something I wouldn't touch on essentially any mech I built, to heavy UACs being one of my most used weapons. At least, for my fighting style, they seem to work rather well.

Really my biggest remaining complaint? Does it sound vain that I think the UAC10 and UAC20 look like total crap? It's not just that they look like the muffler off of a 1994 Geo Metro (though well, that is a huge part of it) but it's the ludicrous bore size to the sidewall thickness. Most shotguns carry meatier barrels than these things, that look like somebody taped two tubes from a roll of paper towels together. I'm not going to start a twitter campaign (yet) about it, because too many higher priority modeling things in the pipeline, but seriously, does ANYBODY actually think they look good?

Anyhow, that's my UAC ramble and impressions. What are yours?

I think they're in an odd place.

By themselves (and by that I mean equipped singly), I think they are still greatly inferior to laser vomit. However, if you can cram in two or more, they suddenly become great. That's my experience, at any rate.

1 UAC5? Terrible. 2+ are awesome though.
1 UAC10 - workable, but again, not great. 2, however, are spectacular. My favourite Cauldron Born has 2 UAC10's and a crapload of small lasers.
1 UAC20 - eh, it's OK. I think two 5's are far better though.

In general, I prefer to either boat lasers, or boat AC's with a laser or two as backup.

I think that instead of being on the cutting edge of meta, they are a viable (yet still slightly inferior) alternative, as opposed to the novelty they were before.

Then, there's the Dakka Dire. That thing is an outlier like no other.

[Bishop Steiner]

Kiiyor, on 05 August 2015 - 06:44 PM, said:

I think they're in an odd place.

By themselves (and by that I mean equipped singly), I think they are still greatly inferior to laser vomit. However, if you can cram in two or more, they suddenly become great. That's my experience, at any rate.

1 UAC5? Terrible. 2+ are awesome though.
1 UAC10 - workable, but again, not great. 2, however, are spectacular. My favourite Cauldron Born has 2 UAC10's and a crapload of small lasers.
1 UAC20 - eh, it's OK. I think two 5's are far better though.

In general, I prefer to either boat lasers, or boat AC's with a laser or two as backup.

I think that instead of being on the cutting edge of meta, they are a viable (yet still slightly inferior) alternative, as opposed to the novelty they were before.

Then, there's the Dakka Dire. That thing is an outlier like no other.

Doubled, they are indeed nice. Truth be told, though, I'll take the UAC20 over the double 5, because it's 4 projectiles doing 5 PP-FLD each burst. I find that while I do less damage with the 20, I do much more USEFUL damage because I am placing larger packets of pain in one place.

But as I said, where I really feel they shine, is when you combine 1-2 UAC10 with 1-2 ERPPC or LPL. Then the pain rain begins.

[Sable]

I like what the did for UAC2s, 10s, and 20s but i really miss the 3 round burst UAC5s. The machine gun sound of them being double tapped was magnificent. The piddly 2 round burst is sooo lack luster. I'd really like the UAC5s to go back to a 3 round burst just a different size caliber than the UAC10.

[Armorine]

I run 2 Uac20s on my favorite caldron born and that thing is a straight face melter. I run a Uac10 on just about everything. It's just made them way more useful.

[El Bandito]

I can confidently say that CUAC10 > IS AC10. So much fun shredding the enemies.

With the buffs, some of the Clan ultras now feels better than IS ACs--while weighing less, and costing less slots.

Once I get the Epic BJ, I'll slap a CUAC20 + CERMLs on it and put the Boom Jager to shame.

Edited by El Bandito, 05 August 2015 - 06:58 PM.

[Andi Nagasia]

Bishop Steiner, on 05 August 2015 - 06:36 PM, said:

Really my biggest remaining complaint? Does it sound vain that I think the UAC10 and UAC20 look like total crap? It's not just that they look like the muffler off of a 1994 Geo Metro (though well, that is a huge part of it) but it's the ludicrous bore size to the sidewall thickness. Most shotguns carry meatier barrels than these things, that look like somebody taped two tubes from a roll of paper towels together. I'm not going to start a twitter campaign (yet) about it, because too many higher priority modeling things in the pipeline, but seriously, does ANYBODY actually think they look good?

Anyhow, that's my UAC ramble and impressions. What are yours?

GOD thank you Bishop i thought i was the only one,
i think compared to the C-UAC2-5 the C-UAC10/20 do look like Crap,
i would rather a C-UAC5 Clone but Larger for those as i love the C-UAC5 Look,

[Davegt27]

I put 4 MGs on my Hellbringer

And a LBX5 and a LBX10 on one of my TWs

4 LBX2's on a Hellbringer is pretty fun but you run out of ammo quick

That should tell you what I think about the CUAC/CACs'

[Kiiyor]

El Bandito, on 05 August 2015 - 06:54 PM, said:

Once I get the Epic BJ, I'll slap a CUAC20 + CERMLs on it and put the Boom Jager to shame.

Er... the what?

Edit: OH! YOU MEANT THE HUNCHIE? Well, that makes far more sense.

Edited by Kiiyor, 05 August 2015 - 07:02 PM.

[El Bandito]

Kiiyor, on 05 August 2015 - 07:01 PM, said:

Er... the what?

Edit: OH! YOU MEANT THE HUNCHIE? Well, that makes far more sense.

Ebon Jaguar--EBJ. Gonna pick it up with C-Bills next month.

Edited by El Bandito, 05 August 2015 - 07:09 PM.

[Quicksilver Aberration]

They are better, but I still would trade a longer burst for better velocity. They still need a velocity buff to be more useful in more situations.

I'm with El Bandito though, I think they are better than IS AC's now. The extra damage potential is really important.

Edited by WM Quicksilver, 05 August 2015 - 07:11 PM.

[Bishop Steiner]

Andi Nagasia, on 05 August 2015 - 06:56 PM, said:

GOD thank you Bishop i thought i was the only one,
i think compared to the C-UAC2-5 the C-UAC10/20 do look like Crap,
i would rather a C-UAC5 Clone but Larger for those as i love the C-UAC5 Look,

i think the Warhawk UAC10 model originally was the UAC5 plus sized. I know one of the mechs had it.

WM Quicksilver, on 05 August 2015 - 07:08 PM, said:

They are better, but I still would trade a longer burst for better velocity. They still need a velocity buff to be more useful in more situations.

I'd agree on the 5s and 2s. 10s and 20s are mid range to cqb guns, and they do fine at that IMO. The 5s and 2s are supposed to be the long range guns. On the 10s and 20s I'll take the shorter burst over the velocity.

Kiiyor, on 05 August 2015 - 07:01 PM, said:

Er... the what?

Edit: OH! YOU MEANT THE HUNCHIE? Well, that makes far more sense.

Is funny how people think that while better, somehow one UAC20 will lay out the pain better than the PP-FLD of 2x AC20. Some kids need to stick to LRMing and leave the Autocannon faceripping to the true psychos around here....

[Kain Demos]

Kiiyor, on 05 August 2015 - 06:44 PM, said:

Then, there's the Dakka Dire. That thing is an outlier like no other.

I find it strange that this build gets so much mention on the forums. Now, it IS better than it was, I will give you that but there are still far more powerful Dire Wolf builds that you see more often in the group queue than solo queue. I have induced WAY mroe QQ with PPC/Gauss and especially Alpha King/Giga Spike builds than with dakka. In fact, when I am Giga Spiking it if I come across the Dakka boat whales I single them out for easy kills.

[Bishop Steiner]

Kain Demos, on 05 August 2015 - 07:16 PM, said:

I find it strange that this build gets so much mention on the forums. Now, it IS better than it was, I will give you that but there are still far more powerful Dire Wolf builds that you see more often in the group queue than solo queue. I have induced WAY mroe QQ with PPC/Gauss and especially Alpha King/Giga Spike builds than with dakka. In fact, when I am Giga Spiking it if I come across the Dakka boat whales I single them out for easy kills.

DakkaWhale is the terror of Puglandia and the Underhive, though. The moment the dakka starts, it gives the Hivites a reason to cower behind stuff. And lordy knows them hivites LOVE to cower.

WM Quicksilver, on 05 August 2015 - 07:08 PM, said:

I'm with El Bandito though, I think they are better than IS AC's now. The extra damage potential is really important.

wouldn't go that far, yet. PP-FLD means never having to stare. The UACs are far better than they were, but most decent builds that can minimize facetime, I'll take any day of the week.

[Kiiyor]

Kain Demos, on 05 August 2015 - 07:16 PM, said:

I find it strange that this build gets so much mention on the forums. Now, it IS better than it was, I will give you that but there are still far more powerful Dire Wolf builds that you see more often in the group queue than solo queue. I have induced WAY mroe QQ with PPC/Gauss and especially Alpha King/Giga Spike builds than with dakka. In fact, when I am Giga Spiking it if I come across the Dakka boat whales I single them out for easy kills.

Bishop Steiner, on 05 August 2015 - 07:17 PM, said:

DakkaWhale is the terror of Puglandia and the Underhive, though. The moment the dakka starts, it gives the Hivites a reason to cower behind stuff. And lordy knows them hivites LOVE to cower.

This. In the solo queue, the Dakka Dire dominates, because you're able to leverage the fact that no-one communicates, and by extension, no-one targets you. Wade in. Point yourself at something. Click like you're trying to set a record. Repeat.

[Moldur]

We have size, weight, and range advantage with clan AC. Its only downfall (which used to be quite a big one) is shooting characteristics. Clan AC as of now don't need any buffing in my opinion.

The dakka whale has awful characteristics in every aspect besides pod space, hardpoints, and armor. It turns poorly, it moves slowly. It has an AWFUL torso twist. They're not the bane of MWO. Focusing solely on their most positive aspect and calling them overpowered is like me saying dakka whales are completely underpowered because I can core them as a light while taking 0 damage.

[Jman5]

I've been running a lot of UAC lately in a direwolf and I have both good at bad things to say.

First off, I like my UAC/10s. They feel good and the ammo increase was nice (DO THIS FOR ALL OF THEM PGI).

My nit pick with Clan UAC is the 1-size fits all jam time for UACs. A 5 second jam for a UAC/5 makes sense, but a 5 second jam for a UAC/2 with its insane rate of fire? You're constantly jamming and that 5 seconds eats too hard into the weapons effectiveness. A 1% reduction in jam doesn't help when you have half the cooldown.

[Cyborne Elemental]

I think they're pretty solid now.

Jam mechanic for UAC's is still frustrating, IMO needs a total rework to move away from dicerolls that can randomly jam on first burst over and over again.

UAC-5 is as good as it was, not much has changed.

UAC-10 is a monster, pretty much my favorite UAC right now, good range, tight enough groupings thanks to reduced shells and burst duration.

UAC-20 feels good too.

UAC-2 feels like it jams far too often for what you get.. goes right back to the jam mechanic.

I hope C-UAC stays like they, are I'm pretty happy with them personally.

[Coralld]

I love the Clan Ultras, so far I have 3 mechs that use them and they are a hoot. First is my Daka/Splat Dog hybrid, 2x C-UAC5s and 4x C-SRM4s, this thing is a beast and is by far my favorite Clan mech I currently own.

Then there is my Jaguar, 2x C-UAC10s and 3x C-MLs. This things scares the sh*t out of people as at least once out of every other game there is always someone who has a go at me but when I start-a barkin they be-a running... This also some times has a nasty side effect of me being primaried.

Then there is my Nova... YOU HEARD ME!! A Nova!! A C-UAC10 backed up by 6x C-SLs. I take great satisfaction when this thing makes even Crows back off... (Insert H20 Deliriouses voice here) GET OUT OF MY TRASH!!

Edited by Coralld, 05 August 2015 - 07:47 PM.