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[Throat Punch]

RoboPatton, on 06 August 2015 - 08:05 AM, said:

It's pretty much an overweight 3L.

Not terrible, had some good matches in it, but if you are expecting to boat clan tech, look elsewhere... overall it's--

Joe Nobody by day, Average-Man by night I thrive in mediocrity! Fear my average damage in a bad 'mech!
I rest easy knowing I am not a detriment to my bottom feeder team whilst still having fun.

[Tristan Winter]

LordBraxton, on 06 August 2015 - 08:27 AM, said:

Gotta jump in just to agree that 'sniper' isn't an actual role in MWO. It's an idea made up by scrubs who can't deal any damage while under fire. If you need to hide 100m+ behind your teammates to make your build work, get back to the mechbay and find a new build.

Oh, right.

Do u even lift brawl, brah?

[meteorol]

Bishop Steiner, on 06 August 2015 - 08:24 AM, said:

still waiting to find one that could. Most players think swinging their erll lightsabers around the battlefield from 1000 meters away is "sniping".

You should play CW. IS players love swinging their 5SS erll lightsabers around from 1400m. Preferable from the hill infront of their spawn which is climbable on a few maps. Because there seems to be nothing better than screaming at your team for being useless while you spend 30 minutes scratching of paint. But hey, 1400 damage between 3 TDR and a raven spread from head to toe of every mech on the enemy team isn't too bad. Atleast it seems to be enough to insult the own team for quite a few IS players i have seen.

Edited by meteorol, 06 August 2015 - 08:42 AM.

[Gas Guzzler]

Bishop Steiner, on 06 August 2015 - 08:24 AM, said:

If stating that most "snipers" are more detrimental to the team than helpful, yeah, sure.

still waiting to find one that could. Most players think swinging their erll lightsabers around the battlefield from 1000 meters away is "sniping".

Clearly, you have not defended against Night's Scorn on Boreal Vault

But I digress, the Shadow Cat's role IS a longer range one. It's lack of armor and super speed limits it to being the mech behind its team, using its JJs and MASC to give it self shots while the rest of the team is drawing the majority of the attention from the enemy. That is why I like it with the Gauss Rifle, because it slings gauss rounds down range with ease and limited exposure, with ER ML backup if not under duress.

It is not a show stopper, but it is certainly a fun little mech, but takes some awareness and skill to use. If you stop moving in the open you will get wrecked quickly.

[LordBraxton]

Tristan Winter, on 06 August 2015 - 08:39 AM, said:

Oh, right.

Do u even lift brawl, brah?

*insert well photoshopped image of my EXE doing hammer curls using dead 'sniper,' mediums.

Edited by LordBraxton, 06 August 2015 - 09:00 AM.

[Gas Guzzler]

LordBraxton, on 06 August 2015 - 08:58 AM, said:

*insert well photoshopped image of my EXE doing hammer curls using dead 'sniper,' mediums.

What if I told you that teams using snipers only have gone 48 and 1 dozens of times on Boreal Vault? Still? No sniping in MWO?

[STEF_]

Mors Draco, on 06 August 2015 - 08:34 AM, said:

Joe Nobody by day, Average-Man by night I thrive in mediocrity! Fear my average damage in a bad 'mech!
I rest easy knowing I am not a detriment to my bottom feeder team whilst still having fun.

Post your stats.

(and even if they are good, pretty sure you can do even better in the ferret )

Edited by Stefka Kerensky, 06 August 2015 - 09:07 AM.

[RoboPatton]

Mors Draco, on 06 August 2015 - 08:34 AM, said:

Joe Nobody by day, Average-Man by night I thrive in mediocrity! Fear my average damage in a bad 'mech!
I rest easy knowing I am not a detriment to my bottom feeder team whilst still having fun.

Like I said, I've had some good games in it too. Still gets out-shined by the other mechs in the pack. So, back OT, and to answer the OPs question, I stand by what I've said.

Also, never said it was a "bad".

[Revis Volek]

Bishop Steiner, on 06 August 2015 - 06:09 AM, said:

what is it's role?

Everything it can do, something else does better, sadly.

Still, it's fun to drive, if not so much to fight in. And looks great. And who knows what the rebalance might bring.

I don't regret buying mine, but I can't say I'm impressed.


Nova is still a better poptart. If you need ecm to do it, well, that's a you problem.


keep drinking the koolaid! Makes it that much easier for me, when I hunt down the dual ppc Scats. Thing can't maintain any volume of fire once pressured. It's only useful as long as it's ignored.

Actually thats not totally true....we have no mechs capable of jumping with more then ONE Er PPC and the SHC can do that for us. The TBR Can KINDA jump with Er PPC's but it aint got sh*t on the SHC.

It can be a Clan Arrow...

It's a Medium with JJ's which we have very few of right now...The only other jumpy clan mechs we own are the MLX, KTF, ACH (notice these are all lights) so it does have a spot with me for range poking and being Flying toasted pastry.

But like other have said, its strengths really are not enough to looks past it or get it out of the gutter over its flaws. Its got a real fragile CT (all but 6 times i died to CT death so far) and needs some quirks to buff it i think as well as some weapon buffs to get it on par with any other clan omni at this point.

It relegated to being a fatty support mech, which IMO i would rather bring a KTF with some ECM, triple AMS, and 3 lasers as well some other stuff. Hell i can run a U-A/C-5 in the KTF better then i can in the SHC...

The only reason i enjoy it is because the thing has up's like MJ....and for FUN. But if i want to win i take anything else.

My best game to date....for the haters. That was with the Clan Arrow, 2 LPL's and 6 MG's.

Edited by DarthRevis, 06 August 2015 - 09:15 AM.

[STEF_]

DarthRevis, on 06 August 2015 - 09:12 AM, said:

Actually thats not totally true....we have no mechs capable of jumping with more then ONE Er PPC and the SHC can do that for us. The TBR Can KINDA jump with Er PPC's but it aint got sh*t on the SHC.

It can be a Clan Arrow...

It's a Medium with JJ's which we have very few of right now...The only other jumpy clan mechs we own are the MLX, KTF, ACH (notice these are all lights) so it does have a spot with me for range poking and being Flying toasted pastry.

But like other have said, its strengths really are not enough to looks past it or get it out of the gutter over its flaws. Its got a real fragile CT (all but 6 times i died to CT death so far) and needs some quirks to buff it i think as well as some weapon buffs to get it on par with any other clan omni at this point.

It relegated to being a fatty support mech, which IMO i would rather bring a KTF with some ECM, triple AMS, and 3 lasers as well some other stuff. Hell i can run a U-A/C-5 in the KTF better then i can in the SHC...

The only reason i enjoy it is because the thing has up's like MJ....and for FUN. But if i want to win i take anything else.

My best game to date....for the haters. That was with the Clan Arrow, 2 LPL's and 6 MG's.

For u: the same comment I did above for Draco: show me your stats.

screenshots are meaningless.
Stats are all.

[Bishop Steiner]

Gas Guzzler, on 06 August 2015 - 08:54 AM, said:

Clearly, you have not defended against Night's Scorn on Boreal Vault

But I digress, the Shadow Cat's role IS a longer range one. It's lack of armor and super speed limits it to being the mech behind its team, using its JJs and MASC to give it self shots while the rest of the team is drawing the majority of the attention from the enemy. That is why I like it with the Gauss Rifle, because it slings gauss rounds down range with ease and limited exposure, with ER ML backup if not under duress.

It is not a show stopper, but it is certainly a fun little mech, but takes some awareness and skill to use. If you stop moving in the open you will get wrecked quickly.

so the same role I've used Shadowhawk's and most other mediums in for 3 years, but with ECM? Basically prowling along the battleline giving support where needed. Which most other mediums can do while bringing more punch. I've never called it bad, but at best, it's a 1 trick pony, and that trick it doesn't do appreciably better than anyone else.

DarthRevis, on 06 August 2015 - 09:12 AM, said:

Actually thats not totally true....we have no mechs capable of jumping with more then ONE Er PPC

Um.....Nova? And while it doesn't jump quite as high, it does ERPPCs better because 4 more DHS and quirks? No mech needs or really benefits from poptarting 70 meters.

And it doesn't have the heat cap to use that jump bar for multiple lighter jumps and shots.

Edited by Bishop Steiner, 06 August 2015 - 09:26 AM.

[Revis Volek]

Stefka Kerensky, on 06 August 2015 - 09:19 AM, said:

For u: the same comment I did above for Draco: show me your stats.

screenshots are meaningless.
Stats are all.

Ok bud....i guess the only way its ok is if it passes your approval?

LOL you're a tool. I'm not here to prove anything to some dingus from MS. I'm here to help the OP...that is all.

Bishop Steiner, on 06 August 2015 - 09:25 AM, said:

so the same role I've used Shadowhawk's and most other mediums in for 3 years, but with ECM? Basically prowling along the battleline giving support where needed. Which most other mediums can do while bringing more punch. I've never called it bad, but at best, it's a 1 trick pony, and that trick it doesn't do appreciably better than anyone else.


Um.....Nova? And while it doesn't jump quite as high, it does ERPPCs better because 4 more DHS and quirks?

and is as wide as an awesome and too slow to be by doing anything but murder balling IMO....no thanks. After the rescale i may change my thinking.

Edited by DarthRevis, 06 August 2015 - 09:27 AM.

[Bishop Steiner]

Gas Guzzler, on 06 August 2015 - 09:02 AM, said:

What if I told you that teams using snipers only have gone 48 and 1 dozens of times on Boreal Vault? Still? No sniping in MWO?

wow, so you mastered 1 trick well on one map. Dangit! That means it's for sure a god tier mech!!!!!! I bet they musta ran nothing but Scats on MLMW last night..... oh.....wait.........

DarthRevis, on 06 August 2015 - 09:26 AM, said:

Ok bud....i guess the only way its ok is if it passes your approval?

LOL you're a tool. I'm not here to prove anything to some dingus from MS. I'm here to help the OP...that is all.




and is as wide as an awesome and too slow to be by doing anything but murder balling IMO....no thanks. After the rescale i may change my thinking.

and if you are exposing your whole mech while tarting, perhaps you are doing it wrong? But nice job moving the ball from your statement.

Edited by Bishop Steiner, 06 August 2015 - 09:30 AM.

[Gas Guzzler]

Bishop Steiner, on 06 August 2015 - 09:30 AM, said:

wow, so you mastered 1 trick well on one map. Dangit! That means it's for sure a god tier mech!!!!!! I bet they musta ran nothing but Scats on MLMW last night..... oh.....wait.........

Lol you said sniping wasn't a thing and you can't contribute to your team by sniping (not talking about the Shadow Cat here).. here is counter evidence to that (mostly 5SS's and BLR-1S's "tickling with ER LL Lightsabers" at 1000m)

What's the matter with you lol I never ever said it was competitive, of course it wasn't on MLMW. Take a deep breath I think you are losing track of what I am talking about...

[Bishop Steiner]

Gas Guzzler, on 06 August 2015 - 09:33 AM, said:

Lol you said sniping wasn't a thing and you can't contribute to your team by sniping (not talking about the Shadow Cat here).. here is counter evidence to that (mostly 5SS's and BLR-1S's "tickling with ER LL Lightsabers" at 1000m)

What's the matter with you lol I never ever said it was competitive, of course it wasn't on MLMW. Take a deep breath I think you are losing track of what I am talking about...

ok, so it's not competitive, hence, it's not actually GOOD. Since I never said it was bad, simply that it does NOTHING that other mechs do not already do as well or better? But nice job stretching an extreme example of situational effectiveness to try to make a point. And so I suppose Nights Scorn has started using exclusivley Scats on every CW match for mediums?

perhaps...you need to keep track of what the OP and this thread was about?

Edited by Bishop Steiner, 06 August 2015 - 09:36 AM.

[Tristan Winter]

Stefka Kerensky, on 06 August 2015 - 09:19 AM, said:

For u: the same comment I did above for Draco: show me your stats.

screenshots are meaningless.
Stats are all.

Stats are meaningless too. They can only prove if a player is terrible or above terrible. Since we have no information about Elo and both group queue and solo queue are counted in the same stats, there's no way of knowing what kind of opposition the player has met and whether he earned his stats alone or has been carried by his unit in the group queue.

I have no idea of knowing if my good ACH stats are a result of me actually being a decent player or if it's just because the Mist Lynx experience has sentenced me to the Elo underhive for months to come, and I'm basically just playing scrubs whenever I mount up in my ACH.

Edited by Tristan Winter, 06 August 2015 - 09:45 AM.

[Gas Guzzler]

Bishop Steiner, on 06 August 2015 - 09:36 AM, said:

ok, so it's not competitive, hence, it's not actually GOOD. Since I never said it was bad, simply that it does NOTHING that other mechs do not already do as well or better? But nice job stretching an extreme example of situational effectiveness to try to make a point. And so I suppose Nights Scorn has started using exclusivley Scats on every CW match for mediums?

perhaps...you need to keep track of what the OP and this thread was about?

Well to be fair over 90% of the mechs in the game aren't actually GOOD under that definition but yeah sure.

Really? So you saying "sniping" isn't a legitimate tactic is what this thread was about but me saying that it is legitimate is somehow not related? Double standard.. Especially when the Scat works better with long range loadouts to begin with so it is in fact very related to the thread. Sorry for simply pointing out an obvious counter-example of the sniping-is-bad statement.

And no, of course we aren't only using Shadow Cats in CW. The OP was asking about whether or not it is "worth it", not whether or not it is a comp tier mech. To me? It is fun, but not a comp tier mech and when NS goes Clan I WILL likely incorporate a Shadow Cat here and there.

Edited by Gas Guzzler, 06 August 2015 - 09:43 AM.

[Bishop Steiner]

Gas Guzzler, on 06 August 2015 - 09:43 AM, said:

Well to be fair over 90% of the mechs in the game aren't actually GOOD under that definition but yeah sure.

Really? So you saying "sniping" isn't a legitimate tactic is what this thread was about but me saying that it is legitimate is somehow not related? Double standard.. Especially when the Scat works better with long range loadouts to begin with so it is in fact very related to the thread. Sorry for simply pointing out an obvious counter-example of the sniping-is-bad statement.

And no, of course we aren't only using Shadow Cats in CW. The OP was asking about whether or not it is "worth it", not whether or not it is a comp tier mech. To me? It is fun, but not a comp tier mech and when NS goes Clan I WILL likely incorporate a Shadow Cat here and there.

Hmmmmm....not sure how you got that but whatever.

I did say that a HIGHLY SITUATIONAL tactic was not sufficient cause to declare the Scat GOOD, and that it's actually mediocre at that tactic you keep clinging to. Since the OP is whether or not the Scat "is worth it", there you have it.

[Gas Guzzler]

Bishop Steiner, on 06 August 2015 - 09:48 AM, said:

Hmmmmm....not sure how you got that but whatever.

I did say that a HIGHLY SITUATIONAL tactic was not sufficient cause to declare the Scat GOOD, and that it's actually mediocre at that tactic you keep clinging to. Since the OP is whether or not the Scat "is worth it", there you have it.

Okay forgetting the "sniping" subject, I think I just really enjoy the agility it has in conjunction with a Gauss Rifle.

But yeah, it is not a "competition" mech.

[STEF_]

Tristan Winter, on 06 August 2015 - 09:43 AM, said:

Stats are meaningless too.

How's dat?
You are missing the point completly.

Pilots can be terrible or good, I'm not interested in that.
Posting a screenshot is useless, while posting stas of SHC and stats of ferret by THE SAME PLAYER you can see which mech is better and which one is worse.

Don't be shy SHC lovers.


edit: "stats are meaningless"

Edited by Stefka Kerensky, 06 August 2015 - 10:52 AM.