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[Appogee]

Microsoft has begun to push notifications asking us to "reserve our free copy of Windows 10" to users of Windows 7 and 8.1.

Note: at this point it's just a notification and opportunity to reserve a free copy. Windows 10 will actually be launched sometime in July/August, at which time those who have reserved a copy will be invited to install it.

Two decades of experience with Windows "upgrades" has made me wary of being an early adopter of new versions of Windows. Sometimes, the OS itself proves to have features removed (Windows 7 and 8), bugs (Vista) or new system overhead requirements (Vista). Most times, necessary hardware device drivers are unavailable at time of launch, and some 3rd party software stops working as it should.

So: before I let Microsoft install Windows 10 on my games machine, I want to know for certain that MWO will run under Windows 10.

Can anyone shed any light?

Edited by Appogee, 01 June 2015 - 12:50 AM.

[Wintersdark]

Appogee, on 01 June 2015 - 12:49 AM, said:

So: before I let Microsoft install Windows 10 on my games machine, I want to know for certain that MWO will run under Windows 10.

Can anyone shed any light?

Well, if it runs on your machine with the Developer Preview, then it should. However, that wouldn't mean it would run on mine - driver support, as you mentioned, is key.

Ultimately, the only way you'll know right now is if you set up a dual boot environment and try it yourself.

With that said, it took PGI a very, very long time to even support Windows 8. A LONG time. They'd just drop any support tickets before then, saying they didn't support Win8.

[Wing 0]

Appogee, on 01 June 2015 - 12:49 AM, said:

Microsoft has begun to push notifications asking us to "reserve our free copy of Windows 10" to users of Windows 7 and 8.1.

Note: at this point it's just a notification and opportunity to reserve a free copy. Windows 10 will actually be launched sometime in July/August, at which time those who have reserved a copy will be invited to install it.

Two decades of experience with Windows "upgrades" has made me wary of being an early adopter of new versions of Windows. Sometimes, the OS itself proves to have features removed (Windows 7 and 8), bugs (Vista) or new system overhead requirements (Vista). Most times, necessary hardware device drivers are unavailable at time of launch, and some 3rd party software stops working as it should.

So: before I let Microsoft install Windows 10 on my games machine, I want to know for certain that MWO will run under Windows 10.

Can anyone shed any light?

I sent a PM to PGI in regards of that. I can upgrade as well. heres my thread.
http://mwomercs.com/...ows-10-and-mwo/

First off. Not everything including MWO can run flawlessly since there were incidents that some other games that had trouble running on Windows 8.1 and game devs had to patch their games up so they can use em on the newer system. If MWO can run on windows 10 no problem then I sure as hell would upgrade it. Lets not forget about directx 12. If PGI could get this game to run on dx12 and its smoother than 11, jackpot.

Edited by Wing 0, 01 June 2015 - 01:13 AM.

[Wintersdark]

Wing 0, on 01 June 2015 - 01:10 AM, said:

I sent a PM to PGI in regards of that. I can upgrade as well. heres my thread.
http://mwomercs.com/...ows-10-and-mwo/

First off. Not everything including MWO can run flawlessly since there were incidents that some other games that had trouble running on Windows 8.1 and game devs had to patch their games up so they can use em on the newer system. If MWO can run on windows 10 no problem then I sure as hell would upgrade it. Lets not forget about directx 12. If PGI could get this game to run on dx12 and its smoother than 11, jackpot.

There will be no dx12 support; not for a very long time. This is garaunteed.

[Raggedyman]

Appogee, on 01 June 2015 - 12:49 AM, said:

So: before I let Microsoft install Windows 10 on my games machine, I want to know for certain that MWO will run under Windows 10.

Can anyone shed any light?

First off assume that at some point it will run under Windows 10, on the grounds PGI aren't mental and it's going to become a major OS (as Win 8 and Win 7 users are getting a free upgrade)

Then wait for PGI to say "we've got it running on Windows 10!", because until then it won't officially be supported. However it's always worth being cautious and not switching OS until the community goes "Yup, it's working".

TL:DR wait for PGI to say "Win 10 GO!"

[Cyborne Elemental]

I have my reservations about even downloading it at this point.

Win-7 x64 is working just fine for me, I hated Windows-8, and not so excited to see a free product by Microsoft..
Going to be a catch in there somewhere, probably something stupid as hell like a monthly subscription to use windows.

Edited by Mister D, 01 June 2015 - 07:14 AM.

[sneeking]

Im thinking about getting an i7 surface pro which will be windows 8 but given how long it took for xp to be dropped by support I think I'll be sticking with my window 7 license for quite some time.

[H Seldon]

I have access to Win 10 builds and have installed on multiple machines. These new builds run really well. Though I haven't tried it yet on my gaming rig yet. I'll wait for new builds before I try it on that.

[Abisha]

hmm see if windows 10 have direct 9c support then the chance of MWO to work is almost certain.

my personal advice skip Microsoft 10, it's all nonsense. windows 7 works perfectly fine
and do not cost a monthly fee that windows 10 will do.

[darkkterror]

I suppose I can't give you 100% fully certain confirmation, since I didn't actually try to run MWO on Windows 10, but I did run the Insider Preview on my machine for a few months and didn't have any issue with any of the games I did play.

[Almond Brown]

Abisha, on 01 June 2015 - 05:18 AM, said:

hmm see if windows 10 have direct 9c support then the chance of MWO to work is almost certain.

my personal advice skip Microsoft 10, it's all nonsense. windows 7 works perfectly fine
and do not cost a monthly fee that windows 10 will do.

WTH! Really, a monthly FEE? That has to be BS right? Does 10 come with a NEW High End Gaming PC, and not the other way around, with Win 10? That would be cool.

Paying monthly for an OS would be utterly brutal.

P.S. Some clarity to the usual Forum murkiness. LOL

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At its press event today, Microsoft announced that Windows 10 will be a free upgrade for Windows 7 and Windows 8 users during its first year of availability. There was some confusion, however, when Microsoft's Terry Myerson started talking about Windows 10 "as a service." Did that mean that after that first year of free availability, Windows 10 would cost an annual fee? I asked Myerson for clarification after the presentation, and he confirmed that there will be no additional fees attached to Windows 10, whenever you buy it.

Myerson clarified that Windows 10 users will still get free updates and support for the lifetime of the OS, exactly like past versions of Windows (like XP and Windows 7's Service Packs, for example). There's no subscription model for updates or support or continuing to use the OS. Myerson's reference to Windows "as a service" simply meant that Microsoft plans to update the OS with smaller, more regular updates rather than the big, chunky updates of past Service Packs.

Edited by Almond Brown, 01 June 2015 - 06:57 AM.

[AntiCitizenJuan]

It's free so that means there will be ads (mark my words) and there's probably a backdoor for the NSA to collect data on your computer through microsoft. So basically its garbage.

[krankenwagen]

You have one year to get a free update comming from win 7, 8 and 8.1. If you choose to no update, after that year you will need to pay.
Everything has a NSA backdoor now xD

[Bill Lumbar]

I have been running Windows 10 tech preview 64-bit for the last 3 months on a older Gateway laptop with a C2D Intel, and Intel 965 mobile chipset, and on my main gaming rig on a 2nd hard drive along with Windows 7 64 bit on my main SSD. Everything works great to this point, other then on my older laptop the track pad doesn't have two finger scrolling and the right of the pad doesn't work for speed scrolling. I have tried to install basic drivers for the trackpad and no go on it. Not a big deal.

On my main gaming rig, MWO plays under 32 bit and 64 bit just fine. Its been a couple weeks since I have booted into Windows 10 and fired up MWO, but when I was running it for about 2 weeks straight and using fraps to bench mark drops. Windows 10 seems much faster then Windows 7 on my main rig.... and on my older laptop seems very responsive even with a Hybrid Seagate drive. However, last time I checked and compared bench mark numbers on my gaming rig while playing MWO, under Windows 10 64-bit TP vs. Windows 7 64 bit, Windows 7 puts out higher FPS then Windows 10 did. That was several weeks ago though, and the tech preview I am sure is not fully ready yet/optimized. I believe I am running the newest beta driver under both for the XFX 7970 3gb, one having the Windows 8.1 driver, and Windows 7 install using the Windows 7 driver.

Other then that, MWO runs just fine on Windows 10 so far, and has since I started using it several months ago. I am guessing that it will all be shorted out by the time MS releases it for public sales. Almost all of my software works with Windows 10, Object dock 2.0 free version, fraps, steam games, etc. etc., however I like the all cpu meter from Vista days, and it is my understanding there isn't gonna be a version that can be installed on Windows 10. My version for Windows 7 doesn't work on 10. Not a big deal, but I like to keep a eye on my rigs details with core temp and CPU/ram usage.

I also got the update in the task bar today, or its the first time I noticed it, that Windows 10 is ready to opt in for the reserved update to it. I haven't reserved mine yet, I have been skeptical from the start regarding if I would use any Windows past 7 for many reasons, one of my main concerns is where MS is going with all its new tech and OS's. From my use of it so far, I am considering upgrading the very few rigs I have running Windows 7. A year ago I made the switch to Linux Mint on all of my systems, but keep 7 on two of five computers for gaming and some software programs that run in Windows.

[zagibu]

I really hope I won't have to switch to another Windows again, before we can ditch Microsoft operating systems for good.

[Bill Lumbar]

AntiCitizenJuan, on 01 June 2015 - 07:00 AM, said:

It's free so that means there will be ads (mark my words) and there's probably a backdoor for the NSA to collect data on your computer through microsoft. So basically its garbage.

I think the "back door" is on any OS out today, Even Linux. IF they want to snoop bad enough, they will. I hope you don't have a cell phone then either, because having one makes it even easier to collect data on, calls, text's, surfing habits...gps location, etc. etc. This is the price one must chose to pay if you want or "have to have" all the "toys" that are in the world today, shouldn't be this way, but it is, and we have allowed it to be this way. What's that saying... The new Apple 6.5 and a half is out.... "shut up and take my money!" New Xbox one is out and has voice and face recording that can identify up to 12 different people, that could in theory be on 24/7 and controlled remotely, "shut up and take my money!" I just have to have that!

[Bill Lumbar]

Abisha, on 01 June 2015 - 05:18 AM, said:

hmm see if windows 10 have direct 9c support then the chance of MWO to work is almost certain.

my personal advice skip Microsoft 10, it's all nonsense. windows 7 works perfectly fine
and do not cost a monthly fee that windows 10 will do.

Is this confirmed? Source please.....


If this is the case, I will not be upgrading to Windows 10 for sure. I have heard they might be doing the same kinda model Apple has done for years now, no monthly fee, just a update system that will now start to upgrade the OS even when going to a new version. They may charge a "one time fee" for a new OS like apple has from time to time, like going from Leopard to Snow, $19.99 I thinks... or what ever it was. If its a monthly fee, I am out for sure, no way in hell I am paying a monthly fee for a OS. lol

I have been working with Linux OS's, building hackintosh's, and have many choices in what operating system I use so I am not limited to only Microsoft's OS if it comes to having to make a choice. Almost any game I want to play I can play on Linux Mint, even Microsoft titles with a work around. Microsoft better wake up, because I had already decided to move the OS off most of my computers 2 years ago given the direction they have seem to want to take.

Edited by Bill Lumbar, 01 June 2015 - 07:37 AM.

[zagibu]

Bill Lumbar, on 01 June 2015 - 07:26 AM, said:

I think the "back door" is on any OS out today, Even Linux. IF they want to snoop bad enough, they will. I hope you don't have a cell phone then either, because having one makes it even easier to collect data on, calls, text's, surfing habits...gps location, etc. etc. This is the price one must chose to pay if you want or "have to have" all the "toys" that are in the world today, shouldn't be this way, but it is, and we have allowed it to be this way. What's that saying... The new Apple 6.5 and a half is out.... "shut up and take my money!" New Xbox one is out and has voice and face recording that can identify up to 12 different people, that could in theory be on 24/7 and controlled remotely, "shut up and take my money!" I just have to have that!

Do you even know what a backdoor is? Saying there is a backdoor in Linux is like saying there is a backdoor in the house you built yourself.

[Bill Lumbar]

Wintersdark, on 01 June 2015 - 01:29 AM, said:

There will be no dx12 support; not for a very long time. This is garaunteed.

IF DX12 turns out to be a worthy upgrade, and is what Microsoft promises it to be.... I see this as a huge problem for this game not supporting it. IF it turns out to be a flop like other DX versions.... no biggie. This game really needs all the help it can get in the optimizing department, IMO. If it turns out to boost performance big time, and graphics quality, IMO, Russ and PGI are making a mistake hanging onto a outdated DX version and Cryengine for that matter. Time will tell, lets hope for the best.

[Bill Lumbar]

zagibu, on 01 June 2015 - 07:36 AM, said:

Do you even know what a backdoor is? Saying there is a backdoor in Linux is like saying there is a backdoor in the house you built yourself.

There was just news dropped that Linux systems have been infected to a point with malware, and was very hard to extract or even find. This malware was able to fool the source code, and who ever made it, did so in such a way that it transformed and did its work in the back ground of the OS, and extracted private information off peoples computers if you happened to have it on your system. I am fully aware that Linux is more secure then other OS's, however, where there is a will, there is a way to get anything, from anyone when it comes to data, computers. I don't care how much you know, think you know, it is just the nature of the beast. There is always someone out there that knows more, and if they want it, have the resources, they will get it.

Btw... I didn't say there is a "back door", I quoted him, and that is what he referred it as.

Edited by Bill Lumbar, 01 June 2015 - 07:49 AM.