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[Gaussfather]

This voting has the QP game firmly in the tyranny of democracy... aka HPG Manifold, Frozen City, and Polar Highlands... any remotely warm map is almost never taken. But I think the worst offender must be HPG Manifold...

I find it the most boring map in terms of scenery and gameplay... too many corners that block your shots etc.but more than anything I'm just sick of it... because its almost always picked especially when there is an "event" because everyone knows they can rush to the middle, die, and play again quicker than on the other maps.

Can we see some statistics on which maps are chosen by the voting system? Because I feel like PGI should just rebrand it MWO: HPG endless Manifold

Edited by Gaussfather, 11 March 2018 - 06:15 PM.

[Seranov]

Save up your multiplier and force hot maps on folks. That's really all there is to it.

[WrathOfDeadguy]

I dunno what you mean about no warm maps getting picked- I see Tourmaline and Rubellite almost as frequently as Frozen; they're two of the hottest maps in the game. Canyon often beats HPG when it comes up, and it's one of the few 'true neutral' maps. Even Caustic gets a fair bit of playtime... the only hot map I rarely ever see is Therma, and IMO that's fine because the lighting on NewTherma is bloody awful. Other than that, I don't get the impression that heat is a major consideration in map selection. Players who frequently overheat on the hotter maps are as often as not the same people you'll catch shutting down or suiciding on the cold maps- +/- 5% isn't enough to protect someone who's that careless with their heat.

Even if HPG were given a proper overhaul to bring it in line with the laws of thermodynamics (the surface of an airless moon in direct sunlight- it should be right up there among the hottest maps, as there's no atmosphere for insulation against solar radiation or for convective heat dissipation), it would still be one of the top map picks. It is almost perfectly symmetrical, has a balance of sniping and brawling opportunities, and heavily favors the good 'ol NASCAR push with its central high ground. That and, as you noted, it tends to result in quicker matches because it's one of the few remaining small maps. You can often play a full match on HPG in about the same amount of time as it takes just to start trading shots on Polar or Forest.

[Alexandra Hekmatyar]

Just stop playing quick play that way you don't have to deal with this pesky democracy.

[Asym]

Seranov, on 11 March 2018 - 06:23 PM, said:

Save up your multiplier and force hot maps on folks. That's really all there is to it.

No. I had 8 stomps in a row and then had 9x and still eneded up on HPG..... Won the next map with a 10x and then had 8 more HPG's....

A few months ago, I play 14 HPG's in a row with the same 4 pilots on our team. Went to Mining, crimson straight and then back to HPG.. All brawling, no tactics, no commo, no team work, nothing...............except for when a comp sync drop 4-some wandered in and told the potatoes to power down "they have this" and that was the last HPG' I've played in months..... In fact, the last time I've actually played outside of an event.

A real problem: random maps should be the norm.

[Gaussfather]

Its not hot map or cold map that bothers me... its the same handful of maps over and over... partially its because PGI reduced the rotation of some maps that I enjoy like Alpine Peaks, Canyon, and increased some of the others. But most of the time if Alpine shows up its voted down in favor of smaller maps like HPG or Frozen City.

Perception is everything (i.e. "I'm sick of playing same maps") but I'd still like to see some stats regarding which maps people favor in QP. Are the they available?

[Bombast]

Oh man, you think this is bad? Prior to Escort, which doesn't allow for HPG when it pops (Modes come first), this game may as well have been called "HPGwarrior Online: A HPG Game." Something like 60% of the maps selected were HPG, with 35% being Canyon and the other 5% being desperate multiplier votes for literally anything else.

It's not too bad now. Sure, HPG wins 95% of the time it pops, but it doesn't pop nearly as often.

All the same, get rid of map voting, democracy was a mistake, so one and so forth.

[PocketYoda]

Until they reduce heat on other maps no one will pick them.. Yes heat is a problem everywhere but if you want other maps to circulate PGI needs to lower the heat (and brighten Terra) or no one will play on them..

Sucks but its true..

[C E Dwyer]

Heat is not the issue.

[Seranov]

Asym, on 11 March 2018 - 06:30 PM, said:

No. I had 8 stomps in a row and then had 9x and still eneded up on HPG..... Won the next map with a 10x and then had 8 more HPG's....

A few months ago, I play 14 HPG's in a row with the same 4 pilots on our team. Went to Mining, crimson straight and then back to HPG.. All brawling, no tactics, no commo, no team work, nothing...............except for when a comp sync drop 4-some wandered in and told the potatoes to power down "they have this" and that was the last HPG' I've played in months..... In fact, the last time I've actually played outside of an event.

A real problem: random maps should be the norm.

They're not going to change it, so you might as well just get used to it. I stopped voting for maps ages ago, and now every round is a random map. It's a lot less stressful and I enjoy myself far more often. Brawling maps are the most fun ones, anyway.

[Gaussfather]

Lady Alexandra Cousland, on 11 March 2018 - 06:26 PM, said:

Just stop playing quick play that way you don't have to deal with this pesky democracy.

I know... can they just vote me King and let it be over with?

[PocketYoda]

Lady Alexandra Cousland, on 11 March 2018 - 06:26 PM, said:

Just stop playing quick play that way you don't have to deal with this pesky democracy.

Not gonna have a choice in April

Cathy, on 11 March 2018 - 07:22 PM, said:

Heat is not the issue.

Yes it is goto any match and ask why no one picks Veridian or Terra therma or even tourmaline, "Its too hot" is their first response.

Edited by Samial, 11 March 2018 - 07:38 PM.

[Yosharian]

Random map generation is what the game needs

[Asym]

Seranov, on 11 March 2018 - 07:22 PM, said:

They're not going to change it, so you might as well just get used to it. I stopped voting for maps ages ago, and now every round is a random map. It's a lot less stressful and I enjoy myself far more often. Brawling maps are the most fun ones, anyway.

Of course they aren't going to change it ! I know that and hundreds if not thousands of others know that...

Why "get use to it?" Why should I accept mediocre games and game play?

It's why I don't actively play anymore: to what end? for what reason? It's why entire teams have left en masse.

I didn't join MWO to brawl. And, it's all that is left and so it is....the end of active play. I wonder when the next "real event" is scheduled? The kind with MC and give away mechs....

[Dragonporn]

Dayum, I read some crazy horror stories right here... 8 HPGs in a row, like for realz?...

On serious note, racking up multiplier and dumping it on hot map, as folks above suggested, is the best we can do, but it works like once in 5-10 matches sadly.

And by the way, voting system should go...

[El Bandito]

Samial, on 11 March 2018 - 07:36 PM, said:

Yes it is goto any match and ask why no one picks Veridian or Terra therma or even tourmaline, "Its too hot" is their first response.

I can't see **** in Therma, and Bog, which is why I do not vote for them. Same reason I never vote for Forest. For me visual clarity is top priority.

[WrathOfDeadguy]

El Bandito, on 11 March 2018 - 09:07 PM, said:

I can't see **** in Therma, and Bog, which is why I do not vote for them. Same reason I never vote for Forest. For me visual clarity is top priority.

The visibility conditions seem to me to be a larger factor in map voting than heat does. Not surprising at all. The game relies on its visuals, and obscuring them with poor lighting, fog, dense foliage, or whatever else just adds frustration. Nobody in their right mind likes playing Mechwarrior: Black and White Edition just so they can see the bad guys coming.

[PocketYoda]

Asym, on 11 March 2018 - 08:53 PM, said:

Of course they aren't going to change it ! I know that and hundreds if not thousands of others know that...

Why "get use to it?" Why should I accept mediocre games and game play?

It's why I don't actively play anymore: to what end? for what reason? It's why entire teams have left en masse.

I didn't join MWO to brawl. And, it's all that is left and so it is....the end of active play. I wonder when the next "real event" is scheduled? The kind with MC and give away mechs....

There is very little brawling its fricken poking and LRM spam.. I wish it was brawling..

El Bandito, on 11 March 2018 - 09:07 PM, said:

I can't see **** in Therma, and Bog, which is why I do not vote for them. Same reason I never vote for Forest. For me visual clarity is top priority.

Welp yes they are secondary reasons, but No# 1 is heat..

Edited by Samial, 11 March 2018 - 10:11 PM.

[Mcgral18]

If there was a greater number of nice maps, you could have your wish


As it stands, MWO has had a DECREASING number of fun and quality maps as the game as aged.
HOW?! How does that happen?!

[MrMadguy]

So much hypocrisy... 1) HPG - is one of the best maps in this game 2) It's literally removed from rotation along with Canyon, Mining and Bog, so it's impossible to get sick of it