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[Escef]

meteorol, on 16 August 2015 - 04:09 AM, said:

The fact that a thread like this exist for a mech that was once said to break the game if it's released is a great example of how enormous the powercreep we already had is.

Or instead of being an example of powercreep, perhaps it is a demonstration of the community being wrong? I recall when a lot of people, myself included, thought the Mauler or King Crab would be horribly abusive. I wasn't as over the top about my concerns as many others were, but I was still concerned. Well, we have the KGC, and while it is fun and powerful, it obviously is not the end all, be all of mechs. The idea that a pocket KGC will somehow be more dangerous is, at this point, absurd.

Edited by Escef, 16 August 2015 - 05:29 AM.

[Damien Tokala]

I'm still more terrified of a king crab, rather than a dire... Those ac20s are Satan's ******...

[Kodyn]

I had zero interest in the thing til this thread, then all this talk of interesting, non-boating loadouts has me perked up.

As much as I'm learning to love SRMs on my Griffin, not sure how I feel about those subwoofer boxes stuck on the Mauler's shoulders though. I foresee some easily removed STs there, or arms, whichever they're a part of, without some really nice defensive quirks.

If it can twist well though, could be nice. My one concern with that though is the engine cap, unless it gets yaw quirks. Only 325 someone said? That's pretty much the biggest issue for the HGN, that 325 cap...

[Sarlic]

No idea what i am going to do.

Perhaps adding another IS chassis to my collection. Instead of playing Atlas perhaps adding the Mauler and Master them.

Count me interested as a true generalist.

Edited by Sarlic, 16 August 2015 - 05:32 AM.

[Juodas Varnas]

Damien Tokala, on 16 August 2015 - 05:18 AM, said:

I'm still more terrified of a king crab, rather than a dire... Those ac20s are Satan's ******...

I don't think i've seen a AC20 King Crab in months.
Everyone runs UAC5s or Goose rifles.

[Boulangerie]

Sarlic, on 16 August 2015 - 05:32 AM, said:

No idea what i am going to do.

Perhaps adding another IS chassis to my collection. Instead of playing Atlas perhaps adding the Mauler and Master them.

Count me interested as a true generalist.

This means a lot coming from you!

[Damien Tokala]

Juodas Varnas, on 16 August 2015 - 05:34 AM, said:

I don't think i've seen a AC20 King Crab in months.
Everyone runs UAC5s or Goose rifles.

I was around during the crabs release, and the initial quirk wave... Or as I like to call it, the autocannon storm.

Hunchbacks, centurion, anything with an ac20 quirk was rolling out and ripping my stuff apart like a sugar stuffed 5 year old child...

I've grown to despise ac20s with a burning passion...

[Sarlic]

Boulangerie, on 16 August 2015 - 05:34 AM, said:

This means a lot coming from you!

It's pretty for obvious reasons. I love the Atlai but it's harder to keep up with new, better mechs incoming. My peformance fluctuates up and down. If the Atlas is getting shafted for the third time again i have to look at other options and try that. That, or a long temporary break from this game untill they realise how terrible the Atlas now is compared in the Assault class.

And not to mention IIC is incoming as well.

Edited by Sarlic, 16 August 2015 - 06:24 AM.

[Boulangerie]

Sarlic, on 16 August 2015 - 06:23 AM, said:

It's pretty for obvious reasons. I love the Atlai but it's harder to keep up with new, better mechs incoming. My peformance fluctuates up and down. If the Atlas is getting shafted for the third time again i have to look at other options and try that. That, or a long temporary break from this game untill they realise how terrible the Atlas now is compared in the Assault class.

And not to mention IIC is incoming as well.

Here's hoping the Atlas gets a little love in the big rebalance. The Mauler seems to share some of the "issues" as the Atlas so far (low mounts, mixed loadout), at least on paper. It'll be interesting to see how it comes into the game, and what they do to differentiate it from the other mechs with this type of style.

[Johny Rocket]

I don't understand this notion that a new mech coming out makes an old mech worthless.

[Escef]

Tractor Joe, on 16 August 2015 - 07:13 AM, said:

I don't understand this notion that a new mech coming out makes an old mech worthless.

Some mechs do the most popular job of other mechs better. You rarely see a K2 Catapult these days, because their most popular usage was as a heavy ballistics platform, which the Jagermech just straight up does better.

[Kira Onime]

Those shoulder missile pods better go away if they have no missiles equiped.

[Sjorpha]

I think it will absolutely be "worth it" as a ballistic boat without some of the weaknesses (and also without some of the strenghts of course) the King Crab has, the arms look like they will make very nice shields for torso dakka or dual AC20 builds. Also the prospect of dual gauss+6Mlas is quite appealing.

My guess is that the missile hardpoints won't be used in the meta, as the advantage of removing the those big boxes will be to big to miss out on, plus it's not a very good platform for SRM brawling and LRMs are just weak weapons period.

[Choppah]

As the only IS mech capable of 2x AC10 and 2x AC5, I assure you it will wreck face. Also, only IS mech capable of 4x LB10X (for the lulz).

Edit: How could I possibly forget, first IS mech that can have 5x AC5. Man the Cbill wait will be painful.

Edited by Choppah, 16 August 2015 - 08:59 AM.

[Escef]

Choppah, on 16 August 2015 - 08:52 AM, said:

As the only IS mech capable of 2x AC10 and 2x AC5, I assure you it will wreck face. Also, only IS mech capable of 4x LB10X (for the lulz).

Edit: How could I possibly forget, first IS mech that can have 5x AC5. Man the Cbill wait will be painful.

Tonnage will be awful tight... But it can be done.

[Kh0rn]

My builds have too be build more along the lines of what a mech what usually have which is a mix of weapons, lasers , AC and missiles I don't do the laser vomit , or meta its just not my way of playing at all. Hmmm I am sure I can come up with something for this mech.

And the reason some mechs just blow away other mechs is because the total freedom of the mech lab sure its great but no where near possible to balance.

[Sarlic]

What you could do is await the rebalance just like i do.

[Kh0rn]

Yea maybe or I can hand over the Atlas title to you. Cause really my patience is thin. No other game has portrayed my fav mech so terribly. And the Mauler had a similar hold to me as did the Atlas but for some reason the Atlas always held number 1 to me. Even when I play now I still refuse to pilot any other mech but my Atlas but it seems now if I want too actually enjoy the game more so I have to look else where. And perhaps you right perhaps the re balance will fix it..because I sure as hell hope it does not become worse.

[Gas Guzzler]

Damien Tokala, on 16 August 2015 - 04:01 AM, said:

Long range... LR... Just forgetting the missile part. And the fact that it has two honking missile crates for headphones

Dude, no... 3 out of the 4 variants only have 2 missile hardpoints.

If you like at the stock builds of the Mauler, the are ridiculously hot, which is disappointing. But I still think some fun builds can work. Can probably do 4 AC5s with an XL engine and some lasers, or 2 AC 20s/Gauss Rifles and 6 medium lasers with a STD 300. Butt hose last two can only be done on the 4th variant for early adopters.

As always with IS mechs, it depends what quirks it gets.

Edited by Gas Guzzler, 16 August 2015 - 10:23 AM.

[Escef]

Kh0rn, on 16 August 2015 - 10:19 AM, said:

...because I sure as hell hope it does not become worse.

Before the Dire and King Crab it was top of the heap, it was your only option for a 100 ton mech and most of the maps were small (which made brawling king)... All of the hard points are low, and it is incapable of mounting twin AC20 or twin Gauss. Despite these limitations, turning a blind corner and coming face to face with a brawler Atlas is still almost pants browningly scary.

What the Atlas really needs are some good ballistic cooldown quirks (Gauss for the K, AC20 for the others), maybe some missile spread quirks, and some big bonus armor quirks for the side torsos. As a brawler it just can't measure up to the KGC's twin 20 cannons, but tighter SRM clusters and some bonus toughness would make for a nice toughness vs. pinpoint competition between the two.

That aside, the other big problem the Atlas has is that it is well known. Scary firepower, but generally slow, easy to hit, and easy to single out hitboxes.

Edited by Escef, 16 August 2015 - 10:41 AM.