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[Raggedyman]

Troutmonkey, on 18 August 2015 - 04:05 PM, said:

We've known this for ages, but I still don't understand. Why are the prices in this game so screwed up?

Packs are normally 25% to 50% cheaper than separates (especially when you take trinkets into account), but they are more expensive than individual chassis. So whilst you do "save" money end up you spending more.

[Kdogg788]

Eventually they will have to take another look at their pricing levels. Most players who have been in it for a long time are becoming saturated with mechs and will not buy singles with MC. It becomes a case of expenditure vs. reward and the reward for these based on the price is almost none.

-k

Edited by Kdogg788, 19 August 2015 - 04:05 AM.

[Escef]

Troutmonkey, on 19 August 2015 - 02:59 AM, said:

You only save money if you just want the Gladiator, or just the Ebon Jag so A le carte is very bad value.

Correct, it is a bad value if you ignore the situations where it is not.

[ChewBaka]

People buy non-hero mechs for MC in this game?

[MrJeffers]

Mechwarrior Buddah, on 19 August 2015 - 01:10 AM, said:

55 to get one chassis... You can get most games when they come out for that price what games are YOU playing that are $200-300 Thats insane to pay, no wonder some ppl dont have an issue with the pricing scheme if youre paying that much for one game.

Because paying for an online service (e.g. MWO) is different than buying a retail game the prices are not equal or directly comparable as a purchase, they are paying for different things. They never will be the same, it's an apples to oranges comparison like comparing the price of buying a steak at a restaurant to buying one at a supermarket. The end result is getting a steak (game) but what you are paying for is vastly different in the elements that make it up.

Look at other F2P games and most of them employ the mechanic that money saves you time. The amount of time saved is a factor in how much things cost. If you value money more than your time, the prices look really high in games like MWO, WoT, WoW, Fractured space, SC, etc. If you value your time more than money things have a different perspective.There isn't anything particularly wrong with either perspective, but saying things are priced too high is an individual judgement/opinion and has no basis in what it takes to actually keep the service running. The average spend per player has to cover all the fixed costs of the staff, office space, and the costs of hosting servers, network etc every month and many of these costs increase as the number of players increase so the required average spend per player to cover costs doesn't necessary go down with a larger player base.

Maybe the Steam release will bring in enough players to adjust the price scale, maybe it wont but in any case when the game becomes too expensive to run it will shut down.

[Lily from animove]

Nutlink, on 19 August 2015 - 03:51 AM, said:

Total cost of all MWO mech packs - $910
Total cost of WoW + all expansions on release - $290

To match what you'd have spent on MWO on all the mech packs, from the founders up to the IIC release, would have bought WoW with every expansion and almost 3.5 years of subscription. On top of that WoW has also changed its model. You can buy the base game with most of the expansions....for $20. New players can jump right in and gain access to almost all the content for $20. What would the cost of MWO be if you just bought all the mechs, excluding mech packs and cosmetics?

Your example for DOTA 2 is also an extreme example. I'm sure there's someone in the MWO community who would pay that for a Marauder or Warhammer if they had the chance. Of course, that $38k would be going towards the devs instead of towards a player selling said item to another player, so that's another key difference. Besides, if you want to drag DOTA into it, look at the microtransactions for that game. There isn't much over the $10 mark, and most things go for between $2-6. Are there more expensive items in those games? Sure! But they're the exception, not the rule.


Looking at the more popular games, like DOTA 2, LoL, and Planetside 2, you can get much, much more for your money than you can with MWO. Even Tribes Ascend didn't feel like it was screwing you for money as bad as MWO does. Games like World of Tanks/Warships/Warplanes and MWO are the exceptions in my experience, but other than the aforementioned games I don't really play too many "free" to play titles.

good, you bouht all WOW games + expansion, but hey what about the monthly fee? 3years of WOW 300€ (or even more I think it was 10€ a month if you made the longest subscription)
So yeah... not even talkign the money for the entire subscription if you started WITH WoW together.

And if you look at WoW's mount prices, which are not even fully vehicles, to be used in every situation, instead just when riding around, what do they cost?


GG biased example is biased example.

btw, you don't have to buy anything in MWO, to fully play the game, in WOW you HAD to buy ALL packages and you HAD to buy all subscriptions to play the game to its current state.

Edited by Lily from animove, 19 August 2015 - 07:13 AM.

[Chacky]

Personally I´ve never been a big Mechwarrior Nerd, I´ve played many different titles though ( Mech Commander, Mechwarrior 2 / 3 and 4 with all the packs ). I just like the Universe. I dont know MUCH of the lore behind it, read only 1 or 2 books, lets say I am just a Mechwarrior enthusiast and yet I was very excited when I saw the very first vid about the so called Mechwarrior 5 back in the days.

Things went "wrong" and it became Mechwarrior Onine, with great grafics n stuff. I managed to grad a Beta key even and started playing...enjoyed it....BUT : Personally I just REFUSE to pay for win / pixel stuff POINT
In A N Y game. i never had any problem buying a game and play - pay for addons and play. But I would NEVER EVER pay for any pixel stuff which is permanently added into the game and try to lure my money out of my wallet - either pay for the game or nothing. I dont pay for content and never will.

The sheer amount of greed behind this game is rather stunning and frustrating, even for a player on the lower end of the nerd-meter like me. They need to understand what they are doing to the fans/player base and cut the cash grab.

Edited by Chacky, 19 August 2015 - 06:50 AM.

[Almond Brown]

Green Mamba, on 18 August 2015 - 04:43 PM, said:

Their accounting department have crunched the numbers and know the Whales will buy them like they always do.Nostalgia is deadly to the Wallet.Only way to stop them is if PGI reaches the breakpoint of Whale retention and Russ pulls the Plug on the game

The Accounting Dept. also knows they can never satisfy the "Cheap ******". So it is what it is. Like it or leave it. Or QQ and whine. Good to have choices right?

[Lugh]

KraftySOT, on 18 August 2015 - 07:50 PM, said:

Dont spend money. Problem solved.

The lights go off at PGI if no one spends money.

Chacky, on 19 August 2015 - 06:48 AM, said:

I dont pay for content and never will.

The sheer amount of greed behind this game is rather stunning and frustrating, even for a player on the lower end of the nerd-meter like me. They need to understand what they are doing to the fans/player base and cut the cash grab.

You have every time you've bought a game in the past.

Unless you are saying you pirate everything, in which case, you should be ashamed, because you are costing people their livelihoods.

[KraftySOT]

lol

Costing people their livelihoods.

Like how buying from thrift stores costs people at Levi's jobs.

"ending is better than mending".

Why not just let the giant capitalist c*ck in a little more eh?

You cant have it both ways.

Either we have capitalism, and people who make crappy products SHOULD HAVE THE LIGHTS GO OFF AND BURN IN HELL.

Or we dont. And then people can make crappy products, and keep the lights on.

Edited by KraftySOT, 19 August 2015 - 08:10 AM.

[Almond Brown]

KraftySOT, on 19 August 2015 - 08:08 AM, said:

lol

Costing people their livelihoods.

Like how buying from thrift stores costs people at Levi's jobs.

"ending is better than mending".

Why not just let the giant capitalist c*ck in a little more eh?

You cant have it both ways.

Either we have capitalism, and people who make crappy products SHOULD HAVE THE LIGHTS GO OFF AND BURN IN HELL.

Or we dont. And then people can make crappy products, can keep the lights on.

Does your living space have Heat and Lights? If so turn them off. Unless of course, you think you are not overpaying those "giant capitalist c*ck" for those services...

[KraftySOT]

Florida Power and Light makes no profit. Its socialized by our tax dollars.

If I lived somewhere with Con Edison.

Id live in a tent.

[KraftySOT]

And im not telling you not to spend money if you want to spend money.

Im telling you not to spend money if you dont want to spend money.

Dont look at a price that you dont want to pay, begrudge the price, then pay it anyways. What kind of addicted low willpower plebe are these people?

This game is barely worth free. But its worth free to me. So I play. I laugh. I love. I live.

If the price of something bothers you, dont bloody well pay it. If there are alternative methods with low risk to acquire said something, that doesnt literally steal from the mouth of another person (and piracy doesnt, im sorry, it just doesnt) go for it.

You get one life on this rock. If youre going to spend it with indecision and weak willpower, miserable at the cost of entry for living, well thats your choice.

Im just saying. If its too expensive. Dont buy it.

[Dimento Graven]

Troutmonkey, on 18 August 2015 - 04:05 PM, said:

Yeah, nah, get stuffed.

http://mwomercs.com/...vailable-for-mc
EBJ-Prime - 4930 MC
EBJ-A – 5260 MC
EBJ-B - 5330 MC
EBJ-C – 4970 MC

Which makes 3x Ebon Jags ~$73 worth of MC using the $30 bundle
or a le carte for $55 from Wave 3.

We've known this for ages, but I still don't understand. Why are the prices in this game so screwed up?

Moral of this story?

Buy the packages when PGI announces them, they REALLY ARE, a GREAT deal!

[KraftySOT]

You know whats a better deal? Playing normally, and buying them for free when they come out for cbills.

[Dimento Graven]

KraftySOT, on 19 August 2015 - 09:08 AM, said:

You know whats a better deal? Playing normally, and buying them for free when they come out for cbills.

Totally agree with that.

However the "I want it NOW" crowd apparently can't maintain the appropriate patience for that sort of wait...

That leaves them with two viable options and one that's... well... stupid...

1. Buy the 'mech packs when they're originally put up for sale. Great deals, get lots of extras!
2. Wait a few months and buy them later for MC, at a much higher price, no extras.
3. (Ruled out as per above) WAIT a really long time, buy them for MC.
3. Post on the forums about how you don't want to wait, nor pay a premium, for having something you want RIGHT NOW.

Edited by Dimento Graven, 19 August 2015 - 09:23 AM.

[TLBFestus]

In the past month I saw quite a few threads pop up by "Whales" that were proclaiming their level of boredom or burnout with the game.

These prices are, as some have pointed out, geared for big spenders. The thing is if they start to weary of the game and lose the incentive to spend, where are we? Should PGI be at least trying to cater to a 2nd market in this game?

I have felt the urge to drop cash for vanity items lately but even they aren't cheap when you consider what you are getting.
Why can't they make nice big bundles of colors, 6, 12, or more and make them available for a "bargain" price.

PGI got my initial $120 years ago and not a drop since. I'm a spender, I have the cash, I spend lots on games, why haven't they figured out a way to tap into guys like me?

[Dimento Graven]

TLBFestus, on 19 August 2015 - 10:26 AM, said:

...

The thing is if they start to weary of the game and lose the incentive to spend, where are we?
...

We'd be where the leeches needed to get off their wallets and start spending, that's where we'd be!

[0bsidion]

I'm not even sure why they bother with the MC release. When you factor in all that you get if you just buy the EBJ pack, you get a helluva lot more for your money. Maybe if they stopped selling the packages as soon as the MC release hit. Even A La Carte is better. Seems silly to me, but whatever.

[Kdogg788]

Dimento Graven, on 19 August 2015 - 09:23 AM, said:

Totally agree with that.

However the "I want it NOW" crowd apparently can't maintain the appropriate patience for that sort of wait...

That leaves them with two viable options and one that's... well... stupid...

1. Buy the 'mech packs when they're originally put up for sale. Great deals, get lots of extras!
2. Wait a few months and buy them later for MC, at a much higher price, no extras.
3. (Ruled out as per above) WAIT a really long time, buy them for MC.
3. Post on the forums about how you don't want to wait, nor pay a premium, for having something you want RIGHT NOW.

The moral of this story is that most people have a ton of mechs who've played this game for a while. If any of them wanted the Ebon Jaguar bad enough they can buy the pack which I'm sure might still be available. Me, I could care less about the EBJ.

0bsidion, on 19 August 2015 - 10:52 AM, said:

I'm not even sure why they bother with the MC release. When you factor in all that you get if you just buy the EBJ pack, you get a helluva lot more for your money. Maybe if they stopped selling the packages as soon as the MC release hit. Even A La Carte is better. Seems silly to me, but whatever.

To be honest, they would be better served selling nothing but packages and bundles for buying regular mechs. Single buying mechs with MC makes no sense whatsoever.


*Edit, just checked and you can get the pack for $90. That's nine mechs for the price of a little more than 3 singles.

-k

Edited by Kdogg788, 19 August 2015 - 11:20 AM.