Steam. What role will it play? if any?
#81
Posted 06 July 2012 - 10:57 AM
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#82
Posted 06 July 2012 - 10:59 AM
Valorcalls, on 06 July 2012 - 08:33 AM, said:
There is a setting to turn off the auto updating... if you learned more about steam and the setting you would have known this. My Skyrim is set to notify me for updates, but to not auto update. While I have STO (another F2P MMO) set to automatically launch and update when an update is released. Not to mention Nuclear Dawn (which i have a gift copy I still haven't used), which like most 1st person shooters requires the latest update to play online. So try steam again, and actually pay attention to the settings.
There is a setting to not automatically update but all that does is prevent updates from downloading when they are detected. The updates are still required to play the game. The option should be renamed to "don't update until I try to play the game" because that's really what it is. The only way to prevent the mandatory updating is to keep steam offline so it can't check for updates.
#83
Posted 06 July 2012 - 11:00 AM
NeonKnight, on 06 July 2012 - 09:39 AM, said:
Sadly, Fusion (and Fission) reactors work by boiling water to produce STEAM which then drives turbines to create electricity.
And a Fusion Reactor:
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http://en.wikipedia....electric_effect
Get educated before you spout off quotes and diagrams about technology you barely understand. Direct Thermoelectric conversion is not very far off. This takes the radiant and neutron energy coming from a fission or fusion source (or any heat source) and directly converts this energy into electricity. Also, since there are no moving parts, they are compact and work outside of a gravity well. Fission batteries have been used to power Space Probes for decades. In another 100 years (probably a lot less) steam turbine technology will be completely obsolete.
Moral to this story? Steam is obsolete.
#84
Posted 06 July 2012 - 11:03 AM
ultraviper, on 06 July 2012 - 10:59 AM, said:
There is a setting to not automatically update but all that does is prevent updates from downloading when they are detected. The updates are still required to play the game. The option should be renamed to "don't update until I try to play the game" because that's really what it is. The only way to prevent the mandatory updating is to keep steam offline so it can't check for updates.
BINGO!
#85
Posted 06 July 2012 - 11:03 AM
NeonKnight, on 06 July 2012 - 09:39 AM, said:
No steam here, sorry fella.
#86
Posted 06 July 2012 - 11:04 AM
grimzod, on 06 July 2012 - 10:54 AM, said:
Okay, fair enough, but my example can be scoped to account for that. I simply don't know the actual numbers. It's still a monetary decision. You can't simply look at the raw number and exclaim how "greedy" it is. For a whole lot of game developers it's a very good deal. Without knowing all the facts about the ACTUAL cut Valve takes, what numbers of paying players Steam would bring in, etc., any reaction about whether it's the "right" decision for this game is nothing more than a knee-jerk, anecdote-based opinion.
And, again, who says is has to be all or nothing? There are plenty of games that have a Steam and non-Steam release.
#87
Posted 06 July 2012 - 11:05 AM
Gallowglas, on 06 July 2012 - 10:44 AM, said:
Assuming that 35% more players would mean 35% more income, then the math says 0.7*1.35=0.945, bad investment with 5.5% less income.
#88
Posted 06 July 2012 - 11:08 AM
TGxMaxFool, on 06 July 2012 - 11:05 AM, said:
Assuming that 35% more players would mean 35% more income, then the math says 0.7*1.35=0.945, bad investment with 5.5% less income.
You are correct about my math error. Still, plug in other values that work (45%, for instance) and my point stands. We're just nit-picking here.
Edited by Gallowglas, 06 July 2012 - 11:11 AM.
#89
Posted 06 July 2012 - 11:12 AM
Woska, on 06 July 2012 - 10:39 AM, said:
They don't provide any useful service in my experience. And having them involved in games just makes things more complicated. I had to get a steam account in order to play an off line game. How stupid is that? And then my Steam account got hacked and I got to spend a couple of days trying to jump through all the hoops to reclaim an account for a service that I didn't want or need.
So, if Steam is involved, I don't want it to be required.
I don't know what you're talking about... I accidently fell for a phishing site, gave someone username, password and even credit card info (yeah I used to be an *****) and I was desperate, cancelled my card, and contacted them ASAP, and I had my account returned to me with everything fixed in about an hour or two. Why do you have a problem with launching Steam? Why do you even have it off? I have it auto turn on with my computer and keep it on as long as my computer is on, It won't kill you to launch steam when you want to play a game, and you get the benefits of the steam GUI when in game so you can look stuff online or chat with your friends, no matter the game.
grimzod, on 06 July 2012 - 10:48 AM, said:
It is also a money sucking vampire from the devs point of view....
Go read my post, Go ask any indie developer, look at all the packs, and the huge list of indie Games, you people keep spewwing this cost nonsense, but no one has provided an arguement to my point. If Steam was expensive, small Indie groups with a tiny budget would NEVER be able to afford to put their games on there, yet for some strange, unasnwerable reason, almost every Indie developer puts their game on there... must be aliens.
#90
Posted 06 July 2012 - 11:14 AM
Adm Awesome, on 06 July 2012 - 11:12 AM, said:
Exactly my point too. I agree 100%.
#91
Posted 06 July 2012 - 11:15 AM
TGxMaxFool, on 06 July 2012 - 11:05 AM, said:
My personal thought is that there will be far more than 35% more players. At the peak time of day, there are usually more than 4 million players on at the same time. If a tiny portion of that playerbase joins MW:O, this community will probably double, or get close to it. But who knows, I'm not a statistics genius.
#92
Posted 06 July 2012 - 11:16 AM
Steam eats up system resources (RAM, CPU processes). I see a lot of people on the forums that are worried about playability in the game. Well guess what, Steam will make the game require better hardware to get the same performance.
The auto update feature is as much of a curse as blessing. Yes i do know you can toggle it on or off but Steam doesnt always listen to what you want. I love Skyrim, however half the time a new patch comes out and the game updates itself some of the mods i have nolonger work. Plus, installing mods to a Steam game is a huge pain in the a**. Anybody play/mod Arma II without Steam and with it? Huge difference in ease of use.
You can only control where the Steam program itself installs. You cannot choose where individual games install. So if you want to run games off of your SSD, the whole Steam program has to be installed there and all of the games you get thru Steam. Only want a couple games to on the SSD? Tough steam does what it wants.
You also cannot play one game while updating or downloading another. Quite annoying when a 2-3 Gb patch comes out for 1 game, and you cant play anything on steam until that finishes its update, or buy a big game thats 40Gb with all the DLC (Arma II) now you cant play anything on steam for several hours.
Lastly as other people have mentioned is the cost to the developers. If PGI releases this game and its as great as all of us think/hope it will be, why on Earth would we want anyone else to get a cut after all the hardwork PGI put into it. I'm not even talking percentage, I guess this is more mentality to me, since i would rather buy a cd or music d/l strait from the band and not with iTunes. Why should the advertising side get paid for what someone else spent years developing.
Those are my reasons why i don't like Steam and hope MWO stays away from them.
#93
Posted 06 July 2012 - 11:19 AM
LordDread, on 06 July 2012 - 06:14 AM, said:
Exactly, if seperate & on Steam would be good.
Personally I've been using Steam for years and the only problems I've had is when my internet decided to fall over and play dead for a few hours.
#94
Posted 06 July 2012 - 11:20 AM
Turbo, on 06 July 2012 - 11:16 AM, said:
So they shouldn't pay for advertising?
#95
Posted 06 July 2012 - 11:22 AM
Edited by Adm Awesome, 06 July 2012 - 11:23 AM.
#96
Posted 06 July 2012 - 11:23 AM
Turbo, on 06 July 2012 - 11:16 AM, said:
You can only control where the Steam program itself installs. You cannot choose where individual games install. So if you want to run games off of your SSD, the whole Steam program has to be installed there and all of the games you get thru Steam. Only want a couple games to on the SSD? Tough steam does what it wants.
You also cannot play one game while updating or downloading another. Quite annoying when a 2-3 Gb patch comes out for 1 game, and you cant play anything on steam until that finishes its update, or buy a big game thats 40Gb with all the DLC (Arma II) now you cant play anything on steam for several hours.
There are workarounds to these. For the installation folder issue you can use symbolic links. As for the other thing there's... alt+tab and resume the download.
#97
Posted 06 July 2012 - 11:24 AM
#98
Posted 06 July 2012 - 11:26 AM
<3 Valve
#99
Posted 06 July 2012 - 11:28 AM
Turbo, on 06 July 2012 - 11:16 AM, said:
Those are my reasons why i don't like Steam and hope MWO stays away from them.
You have a very narrow way of looking at this. That's IF this game is awesome and gets a huge fanbase on it's own. I forgot which thread it was, but it had a pole asking how long have you played MechWarrior. About 60-70, if not more of the votes were Veterans that played the game for like at least 15 years. I will tell you now that this game will not survive if it's only fanbase are those people alone. This game needs fresh people; people who've never even heard of MechWarrior before, or just never really paid much attention to it, and to do that you need Advertising, in this case Steam.
Edited by Adm Awesome, 06 July 2012 - 11:29 AM.
#100
Posted 06 July 2012 - 11:29 AM
Also, from reviews of other games, the only thing that seems to make players more angry than needing steam is not using steam.
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