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#21 Sky Legacy

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Posted 21 August 2015 - 07:43 PM

View PostEl Bandito, on 21 August 2015 - 07:10 PM, said:



Comstar = Space Comcast

well that explains the poor Hyperpulse Generator service always going down and failing to work

View PostKyocera, on 21 August 2015 - 07:39 PM, said:

House Cameron was Space 'Murica. It no longer exists.

While there are mixed cultures and ethnicities incorporated into the remaining houses, the main influences are...

Davion = French/English
Steiner = Germanic
Rasalhague = Nordic
Kurita = Japanese
Liao = Chinese
Marik = Eastern Europe

Of course there's more to it than just that but they are the main cultural influences for the houses.

Wow that makes even more sense then that the already Nordic Ghost Bears joined with the Rasalhagues to form a Scandinavian supergroup lol

Edited by Sky Legacy, 21 August 2015 - 07:43 PM.


#22 lshtaria

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Posted 21 August 2015 - 07:45 PM

I don't really think the FRR had much choice in anything after the clan invasion :mellow:

#23 El Bandito

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Posted 21 August 2015 - 07:54 PM

View PostMazzyplz, on 21 August 2015 - 07:14 PM, said:

and i think steiner is space USA;
forget the germanic name - let's look at the facts, steiner are war mongers and they love their vehicles of impractical size. much like the usa love muscle cars and huuuge ford/dodge trucks



Big Bertha. Super Tiger. The Maus. Steiners are definitely German.

Edited by El Bandito, 21 August 2015 - 07:54 PM.


#24 SaltBeef

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Posted 21 August 2015 - 07:56 PM

Wolf Russkie
Ghost Bear Native American and Eskimo.
Jade Falcon Caucasian
Clan Coyote Native American
Smoke Jaguar Mixed but heavy Black population.
Liao Chinese
Kurita Japanese
Davian EU Mix
Steiner Germanic Eastern European mix.
Capellan Hispanic

Not sure of the rest.

None of them are Free societies, they are Ran by Tyrants , Despots. or Self Sustained unelected Royalty.

Edited by SaltBeef, 21 August 2015 - 07:59 PM.


#25 Lugin

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Posted 21 August 2015 - 08:11 PM

Liao's got a lot Rusian/Soviet influence under the Chinese trappings. Mostly their intelligence agency.
Marik's pretty much the Roman empire.
Steiner's got a lot of German (duh). Fun Fact: They introduced the AC/20!
Davion's got a generally American slant to military, and British social trappings.
Kurita styles after feudal Japan.
Rasalhague, Norse/Scandinavian (duh). Has some worlds origianally from Steiner and Kurita, and was under Kurita control for a few centuries.

Not going to do Clans.
On the other hand... A more humorous take.

Edited by Lugin, 21 August 2015 - 08:12 PM.


#26 Sky Legacy

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Posted 21 August 2015 - 09:40 PM

View PostSaltBeef, on 21 August 2015 - 07:56 PM, said:

Wolf Russkie
Ghost Bear Native American and Eskimo.
Jade Falcon Caucasian
Clan Coyote Native American
Smoke Jaguar Mixed but heavy Black population.
Liao Chinese
Kurita Japanese
Davian EU Mix
Steiner Germanic Eastern European mix.
Capellan Hispanic

Not sure of the rest.

None of them are Free societies, they are Ran by Tyrants , Despots. or Self Sustained unelected Royalty.

That's interesting. You see a lot of them the same way I do.

Interesting about Steiner being german and east euro because that would make them perhaps old Prussian / east Prussian? Not even sure what Prussia was, modern day germany/lithuania mix, sounds like could be Steiners

#27 Sky Legacy

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Posted 21 August 2015 - 09:47 PM

View PostLugin, on 21 August 2015 - 08:11 PM, said:

Liao's got a lot Rusian/Soviet influence under the Chinese trappings. Mostly their intelligence agency.
Marik's pretty much the Roman empire.
Steiner's got a lot of German (duh). Fun Fact: They introduced the AC/20!
Davion's got a generally American slant to military, and British social trappings.
Kurita styles after feudal Japan.
Rasalhague, Norse/Scandinavian (duh). Has some worlds origianally from Steiner and Kurita, and was under Kurita control for a few centuries.

Not going to do Clans.
On the other hand... A more humorous take.

lol that link was great.

#28 Mazzyplz

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Posted 21 August 2015 - 09:50 PM

oh yea i had actually neglected that aspect, there is a clear native american spin on the clans; the totem mechs>??????
come on!!!!!!!

esp. ghost bear

you're totally right about that.

idk if jade falcon are more "caucasian" though

#29 Mazzyplz

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Posted 21 August 2015 - 09:54 PM

View PostEl Bandito, on 21 August 2015 - 07:54 PM, said:



Big Bertha. Super Tiger. The Maus. Steiners are definitely German.


it is true that those were big german stuff, however - the germans made those in very low numbers, maus was never even made, big bertha was considered a failure to make an impact on the war...

besides german machines were very efficient no matter how big,


it is americans that like to consume gas for the sake of gas guzzlers in of themselves
if you consider culturally american everymen like their stuff big, like everymen steiner like nothing smaller than 85 tons to get out of the house

supersize my mcmech

#30 Anjian

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Posted 22 August 2015 - 12:00 AM

At 3000 AD, there are no more races. Humans have bred into each other to the point there is no true Asian, Caucasian or African. There is just this generic human, some blue eyed, some brown eyed, some blonde, some brunette, one whose facial and physical characteristics you can't tell if its Asian, African or Caucasian, like someone with a little of everything. Skin color is determined by the exposure to ultraviolet on that planet. Thus people in some planets may have a darker skin color than others, and it also depends on what part of the planet they live in. Those who spend their lifetimes in space are going to end up pale. Eye and hair color alleles are blended into the main human population like blood types. Genetic manipulation would have further smoothed out and caused true racial differences to vanish.

In the case of Liao and Kurita, people are using cosmetic surgery to create fake asiatic eyelids. None racial humanity, further adapted to life in space, can and would however undertake creation of specific societies to recreate, propagate and preserve certain cultures on Earth.

Edited by Anjian, 22 August 2015 - 12:03 AM.


#31 Strum Wealh

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Posted 22 August 2015 - 10:49 AM

View PostSky Legacy, on 21 August 2015 - 04:47 PM, said:

Just curious but anyone with any better "Lore" knowledge than me can chime in on whether certain clans are supposed to be inspired by or based on particular countries/regions/ethnicities, even in a vague/subtle sense?

The answer you seek can be found here. ;)

#32 Yellonet

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Posted 22 August 2015 - 11:38 AM

It's a depressing picture of the future that religion is still a thing a thousand years from now.

Edited by Yellonet, 22 August 2015 - 11:38 AM.


#33 Bloodweaver

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Posted 22 August 2015 - 02:58 PM

Inner Sphere overall: Represents the interactions between feudal European powers in the High Middle Ages and Late Middle Ages
Davion: British Empire, with strong callbacks to the French influence during the Hundred Years' War. American authors of BT books have ended up giving it an Americanized slant as well. The "good guys."
Steiner: Prussian Empire, with strong Celtic influences in culture and gubernal style. Showing off is a national pastime.
Kurita: Feudal Japan, obviously. Large Arabic population as well, but their influence is kept in check by the ethnic majority. Second only to Liao for being the "bad guys."
Liao: Cold War Communist powers. Chinese cultural influence reigns supreme. Soviet and Scottish secondary cultural influences. Most common candidate for filling the bad-guy role in the Inner Sphere.
Marik: A nearly exact mimic of the Byzantine Empire (reflected in both the politics and the wealth obsession) and the Holy Roman Empire.
Rasalhague: Scandinavian trappings, but Icelandic in particular. Still, the cultural reference is a bit weak. In reality this faction was only ever invented to give the Clans something to destroy. So it doesn't have a whole lot of characterization behind it.

Clans overall: The Mongol Empire, with extreme callbacks to Spartan culture. Some general Russian influences as well, mostly in dialect. I won't list every Clan, but some obvious cultural references are:
Cloud Cobra: Ancient Egypt.
Coyote: Southwestern Native American tribes.
Ghost Bear: Scandinavian. Surprisngly balanced representation of Scandinavian cultural values, actually (i.e., not just VIKINGS VIKINGS VIKINGS) considering how stereotyped the rest of BT is.
Nova Cat: Archaic Greece.
Smoke Jaguar: Sub-Saharan African tribes with strong warrior cultures. Probably the Zulu in particular, see: https://en.wikipedia...e_of_Isandlwana Also, the Clan version of Liao - the bad guys.
Wolf: Russian to a degree, but that's really only because of the Kerensky bloodline. Like Davion, Wolf is the Mary Sue faction - always the good guy, the authors' clear favorite, etc. This is more central to their identity than any cultural aspects.

Comstar: Space Comcast Xerox. BT had no Interent, only fax machines!
Word of Blake: Muslim extremists. I think. Not sure. Maybe if BT hammered it into my head a bit more...

Edited by Bloodweaver, 22 August 2015 - 03:09 PM.


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Posted 22 August 2015 - 04:21 PM

Clanners are genetically engineered. So ancestry is kind of irrelavent as are skin color, eye shape, etc if they don't provide a tactical advantage. So those racial traits are mostly just hold overs from whatever race their greatest warriors happened to be from.

As a whole, the SLDF members who went into exile were from all over the place so there's probably a good break down of races and national origins amongst the founding members of each clan.

Also, I'll point out that most of the art from the 90s had white skin which kind of makes some sense since pale skinned people require less vitamin D in their diets to survive.

View PostYellonet, on 22 August 2015 - 11:38 AM, said:

It's a depressing picture of the future that religion is still a thing a thousand years from now.


Religion thrives in crap sack worlds and considering the hell of the succession wars I think a lot folks held on to whatever hope they could find.

Also... interesting to see that everyone still hates the jews for some reason...

Edited by Narcissistic Martyr, 22 August 2015 - 04:22 PM.


#35 bad arcade kitty

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Posted 22 August 2015 - 04:48 PM

View PostSaltBeef, on 21 August 2015 - 07:56 PM, said:

Ghost Bear Native American and Eskimo.


they have a very strong nordic flavor

View PostBloodweaver, on 22 August 2015 - 02:58 PM, said:

Cloud Cobra: Ancient Egypt.


uhm... may be late romanian egypt of the first centuries of christianity with all their monastery-like warrior caste... or not egypt at all

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Nova Cat: Archaic Greece.


these have a very strong native american (castaneda rules) flavor... if anything you can relate ancient greece to ghost bears, they love arts and all their warriors draw, sing, compose etc, ghost bears are mary sue, they treat all their castes well, value friendship blah blah blah

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Word of Blake: Muslim extremists. I think. Not sure. Maybe if BT hammered it into my head a bit more...


when the lore was created, talibs were american allies :ph34r:
word of blake are just generic religious extremists

#36 Bloodweaver

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Posted 22 August 2015 - 06:41 PM

View Postbad arcade kitty, on 22 August 2015 - 04:48 PM, said:

uhm... may be late romanian egypt of the first centuries of christianity with all their monastery-like warrior caste... or not egypt at all

There's an extreme focus on religion, the use of cobras as a symbol, and pretty much all their camos.


View Postbad arcade kitty, on 22 August 2015 - 04:48 PM, said:

these have a very strong native american (castaneda rules) flavor... if anything you can relate ancient greece to ghost bears, they love arts and all their warriors draw, sing, compose etc, ghost bears are mary sue, they treat all their castes well, value friendship blah blah blah

Neg on the Ghost Bear part(except for them being Mary Sue, that much is true). Nordic peoples were just as artistically prolific as the people of Archaic Greece, possibly even more so than any other European ethnicity. So it makes sense that Ghost Bears would be artistically expressive, especially in the medium of song, as that's a clear tie-in to the Eddas.

Familial bonds (the Ghost Bear's most discrete trait) were also not prioritized in ancient Greece to nearly the same degree as loyalty to the city-state. That's where a man's identity came from - that and land ownership. Scandinavian cultures were always emphatically focused on nuclear family structures, however. Women and children were highly valued, not only as property but as human beings with actual rights https://en.wikipedia...a_Varangian.jpg

The Nova Cat focus on mysticism and visions is a direct reference to Hellenic records of oracles - especially with the method of pyromancy and the avoidance of drugs(unlike Clan Goliath Scorpion). The Chronicle of Battles has a Native American bent, but almost all cultures have similar rituals - and the ancient Greeks were no exception. Until some of them started writing stuff down, history and education were relayed via poetry and song.

There is also their Xi Galaxy camo spec, which tends to make high usage of Greek letters. Interestingly, we've recently discovered that the colors in Xi Galaxy camos are also accurately reflective of ancient Greek sculptures! http://www.smithsoni...?no-ist=&page=2 Of course, the guys who invented Clan Nova Cat did so at a time where it would have been impossible for them to know that. Still cool, and a great example of the concept of synchronicity.

There are also subtle allusions to Greek history in the Sarna article for Clan Nova Cat. One of its founders, for example, joins a Greek resistance movement - a reference to 20th century events that are just as central to Greece's modern identity as its ancient history.


View Postbad arcade kitty, on 22 August 2015 - 04:48 PM, said:

when the lore was created, talibs were american allies :ph34r:
word of blake are just generic religious extremists

https://en.wikipedia...nian_Revolution
Muslim extremism became part of popular consciousness long before the Taliban's actions in the 2000s. The WoB's fascination with nuclear weaponry, obsession with purity, and especially their particular emphasis on heavily misinterpreting one of their most prominent "prophets" rings all too true.

Edited by Bloodweaver, 22 August 2015 - 07:19 PM.






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