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[Soultraxx]

I bought the Cauldron born pack last week because I liked the look of the Ebon Jaguar, but Im not seeing many of them in game. TBRs and HBRs a plenty but just the odd EBJ.

Is this because they are considered a sub par mech? Id hate to think I'd bought a three legged donkey

[Juodas Varnas]

It's because they're not available for C-bills yet.

It's definitely NOT a sub-par mech.

[SmoothCriminal]

Can I just say that since being in Dubai on a work secondment for 6 months while my significant other is back in London has led to a complete lack of EBJs for me also.

Seriously - those who got them in wave III have probably already mastered them, and they aren't quite meta enough to hold up in CW (apparently). Still (in my opinion) the best mech out of the wave III set though.

However their MC price is very, very high. Expect to see them a lot when released for C-Bills...

[Aresye]

It's squishier than the Hellbringer and lacks the jump jets the Timberwolf has, but a solid mech nonetheless.

It's weakness lies in being very, very unforgiving to mistakes. One wrong twist and you're cored. Poke a millisecond longer than you should and you're cored. It doesn't have the slim side profile the Hellbringer has, nor the multi-faceted hitbox cone of tanking that the Timberwolf has, so player's are more likely to hit you, and when they do, it's likely going to go to your CT.

[Anjian]

I see a lot of them, especially in CW. You can say they are fast becoming among the standard mechs Clan warriors fight with.

[Funkin Disher]

It's a formiddable glass cannon, and as such many people don't quite get the hang of it. Its much less forgiving than a timberwolf or ECMbringer.

And its not out for Cbills yet. When it is, many people will probably want a 65 ton clan mech with a bigger payload than a timby and high weapon mounts.

Edited by Funkin Disher, 25 August 2015 - 12:04 AM.

[meteorol]

It's a solid mech but it's really really really squishy.

It simply has subpar hitboxes, kind of like the dragon. You can't shield the CT, it can simply be hit too easily from any ankle. It can dish out a lot of damage, but as soon as you are focused by anyone, you are in trouble. It's not really a mech to 1v1 other mechs if they are piloted by a good pilot, because the CT is too easy to hit even when you are twisting like a maniac.

But nevertheless it's not a bad mech. Just don't try to 1v1 a timber, any assault or the (few) hyperquirked IS mechs. It's a glasscannon and not really made to facetank anything.

Edited by meteorol, 25 August 2015 - 12:09 AM.

[Lykaon]

Soultraxx, on 24 August 2015 - 11:07 PM, said:

I bought the Cauldron born pack last week because I liked the look of the Ebon Jaguar, but Im not seeing many of them in game. TBRs and HBRs a plenty but just the odd EBJ.

Is this because they are considered a sub par mech? Id hate to think I'd bought a three legged donkey

They are not sub par in anyway except

1) Timberwolves are 10 tons heavier and can have jumpjets
2) Hellbringers have ECM and are the same tonnage

[SmoothCriminal]

The EBJ might not have ECM like the HBR however on a max-armour podspace comparison:

HBR - 23.31 Tons
EBJ - 28.51 Tons

That's an extra 5 tons...

[KinLuu]

It is a great mech for CW, because brawls are less likely to happen there. And the EBJ is not very good in a brawl, due to its hitboxes, but excels in poking, due to its hardpoints.

[Kiiyor]

Juodas Varnas, on 24 August 2015 - 11:16 PM, said:

It's because they're not available for C-bills yet.

It's definitely NOT a sub-par mech.

It's a great mech. Cauldron-Wub is in particular is amazing.

[Rogue Jedi]

I agree with what most are saying,

The EBJ is a good Mech, it has the most tonnage for weapons of the Clan Heavies, 1 more ton for weapons than the Timber Wolf assuming both have max armor but it is not as durable as most of the other Clan Heavies, however high back mounted hardpoints make it ideal for firing over ridges as you can keep the vast majority of the Mech "hull down" and safe from return fire and still shoot, think of it as the Clan equivalent to the JM6 or CPLT-K2

[Naduk]

I see them a lot on AU peak times

[MeiSooHaityu]

The Ebon Jaguar kind of reminds me of a Clan Catapult, except the EBJ has it's scaling and hitboxes done correctly.

As a Catapult fan I'd like an Ebon Jaguar, but I'll wait for the C-Bill release.

[Sjorpha]

Glass cannon type mechs tend to be less common even if they are as good and the EBJ, since they are harder to use well.

It's a very common mech in CW unit long-midrange dropdecks though, I face them all the time. Certainly one of the best midrange hill pokers in the game.

[Yellonet]

OP, don't worry; EBJ is a good sized crutch.

[coe7]

I have over 1 million XP on EBJ's so far and replies on this thread are my exact feelings regarding the mech. Its a fire support style heavy mech, that excels in hill humpping and has somewhat mediocre to poor hitboxes. It can tank, but compared to HBR or TBR, its ability to soak damage is on a joke level.

I love that little bugger to death. Is its overall better than HBR or TBR? Absolutely not. Does it fill a specific role? Hell yes and it does its role extremely well. Many players realize that, and see EBJ is a threat, so its hunted down as well. Its requires different playstyle than HBR or TBR and many people dont like or cant do well in that glass cannon peaker playstyle.

EBJ is a good addition to the game. Now if they just made IS fire support heavies bit better as well, its currently lacking. IS has a decent TBR medium to long range copy in various Thunderbolt variants, but pure firesupport role is missing. Jaegar is not at the same level anymore, outside the dakka variant.

Edited by coe7, 25 August 2015 - 02:04 AM.

[KinLuu]

Dual gauss Jaeger is still pretty decent in the direct fire support role.

[coe7]

KinLuu, on 25 August 2015 - 02:25 AM, said:

Dual gauss Jaeger is still pretty decent in the direct fire support role.

True, but thats not what I mean. "Pretty decent" is not at same level or really even close. Dual gauss Jaeger is epitome of decent, nothing special. I'm talking about tier 1 IS counterpart. Not in a million years I would play DG Jaeger over EBJ on any map if I put tryhard pants on.

For example, I would consider TB wubwub over clan wubwub however.

Edited by coe7, 25 August 2015 - 02:34 AM.

[KinLuu]

On some CW maps (bvault and gportico), the 3x ERPPC TBolt is really good as well. Mostly because you can build it with a STD engine, which eliminates one major weakness of most other IS direct fire support builds.