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[Duck Hunt]

I cant seem to build anything worth while on this mech ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Is it possible PGI? Can you add Endo Steel to this mech to free some tunnage?

For example I would like to beable to run dual UAC10s with more than 2 tuns of ammo..

[Deathlike]

Running a 400XL eats up lots of available tonnage... you're going to have to use energy and more energy... with an occasional big ballistic.

[Kristian Radoulov]

Experiment and find out yourself. I have three good builds on the mech. Much fewer than other chassis, but it can work.

[bad arcade kitty]

boat lots of small and med lasers

[Mcgral18]

Had it an XL375 and Endo, it would gain a full 50% of it's current pod space, to roughly 30 tons (complete with hardwired 6 heatsinks).


At least Mr Gargles isn't hardpoint starved.

[LT. HARDCASE]

Man do I wish I could put ES on the Gargles.

Best bet is to run something like this. At least the Gargles can pack laser vomit builds with ~30 DHS.

Or a SPL boat.

At least he's better off than an XL400 Dragon Slayer. Try making a build that works on that.

Edited by Kevjack, 28 August 2015 - 04:45 PM.

[FupDup]

It's an Omnimech, so no...

Blame the TT writers for building the mech so sub-par to begin with. They can be really when it comes to designing effective and powerful units...

And also blame TT for STD structure being inferior to Endo Steel on almost every mech out there (only some like the Daishi benefit from more space instead of more weight).

Edited by FupDup, 28 August 2015 - 05:14 PM.

[FitzSimmons]

There was discussion a while back of allowing Clan mechs to purchase Endo *or* Ferro to assist those mechs that have tonnage issues (looking at you, Summoner), but I don't know if anything has been stated recently about that.

[Duck Hunt]

FupDup, on 28 August 2015 - 05:09 PM, said:

It's an Omnimech, so no...

Blame the TT writers for building the mech so sub-par to begin with. They can be really when it comes to designing effective and powerful units...

And also blame TT for STD structure being inferior to Endo Steel on almost every mech out there (only some like the Daishi benefit from more space instead of more weight).

This isn't TT this is MWO.. We have quirks and such haha

[FupDup]

Duck Hunt, on 28 August 2015 - 05:19 PM, said:

This isn't TT this is MWO.. We have quirks and such haha

I know it is, I'm just pointing out why the Gargles is in the state it's in. Although there are exceptions, many of the mechs that are good or bad in MWO were also good or bad in BT itself...many of the mechanics carried over.

The inferiority of not having Endo Steel is something that MWO inherited, unfortunately. I've made suggestions to fix that disparity (make STD structure stronger by at least 25%), but I don't think PGI wants to remove their precious money sink.

Edited by FupDup, 28 August 2015 - 05:25 PM.

[Narcissistic Martyr]

It's an 80 ton 5/8 mech. So it automatically has 3 tons less space than a 70 or 75 ton 5/8.

Take away the 4 tons it would get from endo... and well... it ends up being absolute crap.

[Andi Nagasia]

i have a Topic idea on something that would help,
(Ferro To Endo Upgrade Swapping For Omni-Mechs! Discussion!)

[Rear Admiral Tier 6]

Narcissistic Martyr, on 28 August 2015 - 06:56 PM, said:

it ends up being absolute crap.

How on earth a mech that can have 72 point laser alpha(with decent range too),assault mech armor,good cooling and IS medium speed can be bad?

Gargoyle is like a very good energy based Battlemaster for the clans.

Its ONLY drawback in that role is low weapon mounts,but the speed makes up for it.

Its really stupid when people want every clan mech to be a Dire/Timber/Doomcrow.

[Yosharian]

Run 12 small pulse lasers. Think of it as a Nova with Assault-level armor.

Energy boat is pretty much the only valid build for this kind of mech because the main advantage of a big engine like the 400XL is the insane amount of heatsinks.

[bad arcade kitty]

Yosharian, on 29 August 2015 - 03:53 AM, said:

the main advantage of a big engine like the 400XL is the insane amount of heatsinks.

past 10 built-in ones other 6 are not true dubs afaik

[Yosharian]

bad arcade kitty, on 29 August 2015 - 03:56 AM, said:

past 10 built-in ones other 6 are not true dubs afaik

That's not the advantage I'm referring to. I meant the space advantage which allows you to equip a greater amount of heatsinks.

That said even with 12 SPLs the mech still has 10 slots left so I suppose it's not that big of an advantage.

I guess you could switch out some SPLs for SLs and use the remaining slots for a few extra DHS.

E.G. http://mwo.smurfy-ne...eb64cb8616db2b0

Edited by Yosharian, 29 August 2015 - 06:17 AM.

[LordBraxton]

I loved the gargoyle untill the EXE came out and really made the gargles obsolete.... Try just running with 6 MPlas. Same build I run on my EBJ. Add a targettng computer and modules and you have a ridiculously efficient 54 damage alpha.

Edited by LordBraxton, 29 August 2015 - 07:31 AM.

[TyphonCh]

One of my favorites so far has been a uac20 in one arm, and 4 erml in the other arm. Works well with the one variant with no CT energy points.. Should be able to fit 3 tons of ammo and a heat sink with max armor

Edited by Team Chevy86, 29 August 2015 - 08:51 AM.

[Monkey Lover]

Most the clan mechs with endo have way to much power. So because clan tech is made to be balanced with IS per Pgi it can't have it. They should remove it from the crow and timber. Then remove any negative quirks.

Edited by Monkey Lover, 29 August 2015 - 10:23 AM.

[Mcgral18]

Cookiemonter669, on 29 August 2015 - 03:33 AM, said:

How on earth a mech that can have 72 point laser alpha(with decent range too),assault mech armor,good cooling and IS medium speed can be bad?

Gargoyle is like a very good energy based Battlemaster for the clans.

Its ONLY drawback in that role is low weapon mounts,but the speed makes up for it.

Its really stupid when people want every clan mech to be a Dire/Timber/Doomcrow.

You seem to be forgetting Terribad construction.

Would you prefer 20 tons of guns at 89 Kph, or 31 tons of guns at 83.5 Kph.


We'll never get that, of course. Mr Gargles with Endo gives him 24 tons of guns, so at least he can compete with the Loki (who himself doesn't have Endo or Ferro).


If only Mr Gargles was a Battlemech. Dual Gauss, more than enough ammo, and the choice of a laser or PPC while staying above 80 Kph.