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[ThisMachineKillsFascists]

cdlord, on 02 September 2015 - 04:45 PM, said:

Only change I am interested in is nerfing the meta to the ground.

To have a new met after a wekk instead? The community by large quantity has a competitive mind set even if their skill isnt that good. How else would you comprehend ppl asking on the forum for "best builds" to copy paste or how to explain me why ppl look strange at me when i pilot a highlander, not that i was doing bad with it at all or the mech is bad. Its just not OPTIMAL.


The hole Meta thing wil be dramatically increased once this game succeedes in its esport way.

So asking for a meta nerf is pretty much naive

Edited by ThisMachineKillsFascists, 03 September 2015 - 10:45 AM.

[nehebkau]

Mystere, on 03 September 2015 - 10:35 AM, said:

Just because a organized bunch of goons bullied a developer in-game does not automatically mean the player base agrees with their complaints.

There are many type of bulling goons in this game -- at times I think the BT fanboys are even worse than the other 'vocal' groups. In reality if given the choice for more enjoyable game-play or closer to BT lore they should go for game-play.

[LastKhan]

cdlord, on 02 September 2015 - 04:45 PM, said:

Only change I am interested in is nerfing the meta to the ground.

Kay, good luck with that. people will always go to something else that works and that'll be the new "Meta". Quite the unwinning battle in that statement.

Edited by LastKhan, 03 September 2015 - 10:52 AM.

[M4rtyr]

ThisMachineKillsFascists, on 03 September 2015 - 10:36 AM, said:

To have a new met after a wekk instead? The community by large quantity has a competitive mind set even if their skill isnt that good. How else would you comprehend ppl asking on the forum for "best builds" to copy paste or how to explain me why ppl look strange at me when i pilot a highlander, not that i was doing bad with it at all.


The hole Meta thing wil be dramatically increased once this game succeedes in its esport way.

So asking for a meta nerf is pretty much naive

Have to be honest here, saying that like it's only a matter of time shows you are more naive.

There are so many things that need to be fixed or changed before it can be anywhere near esports its not even funny.

But you are correct in that any balance change will inevitably lead to a new meta... this is eaxtly why when using the battletech license it's a stupid ides to make a game such as with that includes custom loadouts and IS vs Clan tech. Doing those 2 things completely breaks what made battletech balanced to any degree. Which means as metas change they will always be drastic changes because people will just boat the best weapons.

SRM splattastics
Lurmagedden
Lazer vomit

nehebkau, on 03 September 2015 - 10:38 AM, said:

There are many type of bulling goons in this game -- at times I think the BT fanboys are even worse than the other 'vocal' groups. In reality if given the choice for more enjoyable game-play or closer to BT lore they should go for game-play.

I'm a BT fanboy but I try to be impartial if things work. Right now though, things do not work, you and some others might think the game is fun. But I, and others, beleive it would be more fun and more competitive if they did use more BT rules. A heat scale being the primary one.

[Mystere]

cdlord, on 02 September 2015 - 04:45 PM, said:

Only change I am interested in is nerfing the meta to the ground.

The "Monkey See, Monkey Do" nature of online gaming ensures that a "meta" will always come out.

[Jello2142]

To OP I think what you are trying to do make sense in the fact that if information on "issues" was in a logical location that in theory all ideas, from idiotic to masterful, would be easy to comb through which should make things easier for developers in the long run. If that isn't what you are driving towards then my apologies.

My thoughts on that is how do all these other games manage to make changes based upon their communities off their test servers and forum pulse without having people, such as yourself, volunteer to compile information for them? For years I have seen the same basic issues brought up time after time the only thing that seems to change is the mech, weapons systems (meta), and names for which they are posted under. So what you call :"stirring up old s** " I call the same s** but a different color.

Those few things I mentioned
META
BALANCE
End Game which transformed into CW now
Direction

Same basic issues brought up regularly here. Yeah some people are a bit more rage filled and some posts are just dumb but in the end there is info to be gained from all of them and it is definitely not our yob to gather it up for them :-) If anything PGI is lucky to have so many people who bring up concerns but additionally put out a potential solution along with it that is NOT a common thing for people to do in general let a lone on a video game forum.

Also the past issues are still relative if you forget the past your are looking for trouble. Some people put a lot of money into this game with the impression that they were buying into something more than just a game and when you do that things can get pe

[M4rtyr]

Jello2142, on 03 September 2015 - 11:16 AM, said:

If anything PGI is lucky to have so many people who bring up concerns but additionally put out a potential solution along with it that is NOT a common thing for people to do in general let a lone on a video game forum.

Ain't that the truth... These forums have some of the most well thought out critics of any live game I've seen. But they are taken at zero value from those that don't want things to change and by PGI as well.

I'm not happy witht he game or its lack of progress over time, but do I think PGI are bad people? No, don't know them at all to call that. But I? think they are completely directionless, and instead of trying to gain some direction from their, of all things, LOYAL customer base that wants changes they at best ignore them.

[SaltBeef]

Single player and PVE

Hit reg stability

CHALLENGING AI enemies

[Ihasa]

Yeonne Greene, on 02 September 2015 - 09:27 PM, said:

How can we bring change to MWO?

Did you bring the appropriate type and number of sacrifices?

Do those types and number of sacrifices happen to contain images of former US Presidents?

Edited by Ihasa, 03 September 2015 - 12:08 PM.

[M4rtyr]

Ihasa, on 03 September 2015 - 12:07 PM, said:

Do those types and number of sacrifices happen to contain images of former US Presidents?

No i think the correct sacrofices are all the mechs that have been made obsolete by the quirk system.

[Novakaine]

Ah the sangined and reasoned argument.
That's only really meant to encourage rage and frustration.
Poor tactic try again.

[KraftySOT]

nehebkau, on 03 September 2015 - 10:38 AM, said:

There are many type of bulling goons in this game -- at times I think the BT fanboys are even worse than the other 'vocal' groups. In reality if given the choice for more enjoyable game-play or closer to BT lore they should go for game-play.

Closer to BT IS our more enjoyable gameplay. Everyone always makes it out like its one or the other. You can both be closer to BT lore, and be more enjoyable.

Edited by KraftySOT, 03 September 2015 - 12:52 PM.

[Yellonet]

M4rtyr, on 03 September 2015 - 10:11 AM, said:

Weapon balance was and is a joke.
There is minimal content, aside from all the mechs they want people to buy.
There never has been a meaningful heat system.
etc

Yes, but it's not enough to just say that areas of the game are jokes. And it's not enough that 500 people complain and explain in 500 different ways what is wrong and what to do about it.
What might help - as the OP apparently didn't get across - is if we as a community jointly describe what the majority feel is a problem and why.

[M4rtyr]

Yellonet, on 03 September 2015 - 01:01 PM, said:

Yes, but it's not enough to just say that areas of the game are jokes. And it's not enough that 500 people complain and explain in 500 different ways what is wrong and what to do about it.
What might help - as the OP apparently didn't get across - is if we as a community jointly describe what the majority feel is a problem and why.

See this is the point the old timers complaining about the past are trying to make.

Time and again these things have been detailed over and over and over. Things that have been issues since open beta are still issues now, ECM and heat just to name a couple.

It's not like it's only been year after year of rants, there have been a lot of really well thought out posts NUMEROUS times about flaws and since they don't get responses nor do the issues change people get a bad taste in their mouth that PGI doesn't care.

Do I think the truely don't care? Not totally, but there is some neglect without a doubt.

[mike29tw]

Yellonet, on 03 September 2015 - 01:01 PM, said:

Yes, but it's not enough to just say that areas of the game are jokes. And it's not enough that 500 people complain and explain in 500 different ways what is wrong and what to do about it.
What might help - as the OP apparently didn't get across - is if we as a community jointly describe what the majority feel is a problem and why.

You might only be here for a few months, but many of us have been part of the "MWO community" for three years.

I can guarantee you that your suggestion has been attempted mutliple times and none of them worked.

Just so you know, the community isn't salty and bitter by default. Many of us were just like you in the closed/open beta, eager to offer feedback and suggestion to improve the game. Then we found out that PGI isn't really interested in what the community has to offer, other than what's in our wallet...

[AdamBaines]

KraftySOT, on 02 September 2015 - 06:16 PM, said:

Get a heck of alot of players behind you, mass exodus to another place, demand PGI give you attention, come back and work with them on the solution.

So far thats the only way that has worked.

When has this happened? I have yet to see here. I think you are misguided if you think that.

Now when you say "Mass exodus to another place" its a bit of hyperbole, but I will say that when the player base started to shrink and IGP got out of the way (which is what I really think allowed them to listen, no ranting) they started to make change. But it surely was not because people were demanding attention. If anything that made then turtle more.

[Yellonet]

M4rtyr, on 03 September 2015 - 01:09 PM, said:

See this is the point the old timers complaining about the past are trying to make.

Time and again these things have been detailed over and over and over. Things that have been issues since open beta are still issues now, ECM and heat just to name a couple.

It's not like it's only been year after year of rants, there have been a lot of really well thought out posts NUMEROUS times about flaws and since they don't get responses nor do the issues change people get a bad taste in their mouth that PGI doesn't care.

Do I think the truely don't care? Not totally, but there is some neglect without a doubt.

So where are these community consensus descriptions of problems?
I've only seen people talk about the same problem in completely different ways.

[M4rtyr]

Yellonet, on 03 September 2015 - 01:17 PM, said:

So where are these community consensus descriptions of problems?
I've only seen people talk about the same problem in completely different ways.

You'll never ever have a true consensus in any online forum. Even if there is no reasonable way to criticize something people will still be negative about it.

This is why the devs have to actually pay attention. It's not heard to see good ideas from bad ones, or flat out trolls. But they have to see whats being said. I think it would be safe to say 70-80% of people active in the forums dislike ECM. ButThey don't address it after all this time? Then, whenever they finally get around to it the solution is just to make the 'jesus bubble' smaller?

These are the reasons some of us point to the past and say "WTF PGI?"

[Yellonet]

M4rtyr, on 03 September 2015 - 01:24 PM, said:

You'll never ever have a true consensus in any online forum. Even if there is no reasonable way to criticize something people will still be negative about it.

This is why the devs have to actually pay attention. It's not heard to see good ideas from bad ones, or flat out trolls. But they have to see whats being said. I think it would be safe to say 70-80% of people active in the forums dislike ECM. ButThey don't address it after all this time? Then, whenever they finally get around to it the solution is just to make the 'jesus bubble' smaller?

These are the reasons some of us point to the past and say "WTF PGI?"

If a majority cannot even agree on a general description of a problem there is no problem, because it all averages out, so I guess MWO doesn't have any problems.
So yeah, don't worry, I'll give up. I'm not going to go against the salty stream any more.
I've not tired of Mechwubber completely yet. We'll just have to see what happens after Steam release I guess.

Edited by Yellonet, 03 September 2015 - 01:54 PM.

[M4rtyr]

Yellonet, on 03 September 2015 - 01:53 PM, said:

If a majority cannot even agree on a general description of a problem there is no problem, because it all averages out, so I guess MWO doesn't have any problems.
So yeah, don't worry, I'll give up. I'm not going to go against the salty stream any more.
I've not tired of Mechwubber completely yet. We'll just have to see what happens after Steam release I guess.

But the problems have been stated the same way time and again, the only variations are what the solution is. Well and those that claim there isn't a problem when it's in fact obvious.

When SplatCats were the rage it was because everyone knew SRM's were doing way to much damage because they were doing full damage to the location they hit + splash damage to others around it. So when you fired enough of those missiles you just shredded mechs, but it still survived for a damn long time before being fixed. But that just takes us into a new meta each time because nother was balanced right from the start.

But you know what... in all fairness why does the community even need to tell PGI what the problem is, they should know themselves. A true test of a developer isn't if they listen to their community. It's if they recognize their own issues and and make adjustments as needed, in a timely manner I might add. We aren't the ones getting paid, if they want our money they need to earn it.

And if you think PGI needs a community consensus for some of the issues plaguing the game currently then I would say you are seriously insulting their intelligence.