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[Tristan Winter]

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Arctic Cheetah

The following Quirks have been removed from the Arctic Cheetah OmniPods:

ACH-Prime

• Left Arm: Additional Structure +8
  
• Left Torso: Additional Structure +7
  
• Right Torso: Additional Structure +7
  
• Right Arm: Additional Structure +8

ACH-A

• Set Bonus: Arm Movement Rate (Pitch) +5%
  
• Set Bonus: Arm Movement Rate (Yaw) +5%
  
• Left Torso: Arm Movement Rate (Pitch) +5%
  
• Left Torso: Arm Movement Rate (Yaw) +5%
  
• Right Arm: Additional Structure +8

ACH-B

• Left Arm: Additional Structure +8
  
• Left Arm: Energy Heat Generation -2.5%
  
• Right Arm: Additional Structure +8

ACH-C

• Left Arm: Additional Structure +8
  
• Left Arm: ER Laser Duration -2.5%
  
• Left Arm: Energy Duration -2.5%
  
• Left Torso: Pulse Laser Heat Generation -2.5%
  
• Left Torso: Energy Heat Generation -2.5%
  
• Right Torso: Pulse Laser Heat Generation -2.5%
  
• Right Torso: Energy Heat Generation -2.5%
  
• Right Arm: Additional Structure +8
  
• Right Arm: ER Laser Duration -2.5%
  
• Right Arm: Energy Duration -2.5%

Thoughts?

[Adiuvo]

Fine. The C is no longer the super-P2W variant that it was before (you could only get it by months long preorder) and it got rid of arm/torso structure quirks that it didn't need, but that did contribute to most of the complaining from low to average skilled players.

[Yellonet]

Doesn't look like much. And if it's still OP in the field, I'll still complain.
Where are the debuffs to legs?

[Sjorpha]

Huh? I was expecting the leg quirks to be removed for sure.

[Vlad Ward]

Looks fair to me.

[Gas Guzzler]

Keeps its legs buff. I think this is a job well done actually, looking forward to seeing how it goes.

[MischiefSC]

Now it's just a bit better, like every top Clan mech in its tier. Not op, just the clear top performer. Like the scrow, hb,tw,dire.

Which we apparently need to have our a bunch of Clan players will quit if they don't have a better mech.

Better though. The whole is/Clan balance issue aside.

[Gyrok]

Tristan Winter, on 07 September 2015 - 02:40 PM, said:

Thoughts?

That kills the 6-7 SPL build outright...structure buffs to the torsos going is not a huge deal. However, the arm structure buffs were very warranted IMO and losing lots of the heat quirks effect numerous builds.

Either way...before it was questionable as to whether the FS9 was as good, or if the FS9 was simply outright better. Now, the FS9 will be a superior DPS machine with superior cooling and more armor. All that trade off for ECM on the ACH.

Hard to buy the ACH coming out ahead on that one now...

[Elizander]

I rarely shoot them in the legs. I like slowly blowing them piece by piece and watching them run away with half a mech. I've been shooting light mechs in the CT lately. Not sure what's wrong with me but I find it more fun than legging these days.

[Scout Derek]

Like I said, no negative buffs whatsoever, just removal of some of the current ones.

So arctic cheetahs, you don't get shoulder pads anymore, in fact, hand them over to the spider!

[MischiefSC]

Gyrok, on 07 September 2015 - 02:52 PM, said:

That kills the 6-7 SPL build outright...structure buffs to the torsos going is not a huge deal. However, the arm structure buffs were very warranted IMO and losing lots of the heat quirks effect numerous builds.

Either way...before it was questionable as to whether the FS9 was as good, or if the FS9 was simply outright better. Now, the FS9 will be a superior DPS machine with superior cooling and more armor. All that trade off for ECM on the ACH.

Hard to buy the ACH coming out ahead on that one now...

I'm not trying to troll here and am 100% serious. Genuinely, are you high?

As good or better hitboxes. What is the dps and hps on those spls again? Compared to the mpls on the FS9? Plus ECM? Also cxl, as in durability like a std?

[Bespoke Cheese Cake]

Nice try pgi, but that won't stop me. If I can get 6 kills in a locust then I can still kick butt with the cheetah.

[Screech]

Is basically what Russ said they were going to do. The changes will have minimal effect on the ACH overall and people will still complain when they are killed by it.

[Yellonet]

Funny, everyone with Clan avatar seems satisfied and people with IS tag not so much... very strange indeed.

[bad arcade kitty]

what

it still kept its leg structure??!!11oneone

[Kira Onime]

So they basically left the legs untouched... ok.
Was expecting the arms and torsos to lose some energy quirks as well as structure on the legs but they went full out with the arms.

[Gyrok]

MischiefSC, on 07 September 2015 - 03:00 PM, said:

I'm not trying to troll here and am 100% serious. Genuinely, are you high?

As good or better hitboxes. What is the dps and hps on those spls again? Compared to the mpls on the FS9? Plus ECM? Also cxl, as in durability like a std?

Not trolling...

Legitimately...this is the crux

6 SPL build was ahead in DPS because of quirks. losing 15% heat quirks kills the viability in comparison to either the FS9-A or FS9-S. To keep sustained DPS similar you have to run ERSL...period. ERMLs can get close with only 4, meaning less alpha damage, and they are still 0.4 sustained DPS behind the FS9-S MPL build.

The SPL build, as with the FS9-A, always had serious range limitations. In short, you were either knife fighting, or unable to return fire.

The ERSL build (which was the better option before in my mind anyway...), has just a bit less range than the MPL build on the FS9-S, similar alpha, and similar DPS. However, now, you are giving the FS9-S more armor, more speed, and tighter convergence with better hardpoints for side peeking and you expose less FS9 to hill hump because the ACH arms are lower than the FS9 arms and torso. This also means the FS9 is now more agile, turns tighter, twists faster and has 10 true dubs instead of 9.

So, in short...while the consensus among many was OP...the fact is, the ACH was better in only some instances than the FS9, and there were still areas where the FS9 was still outright better.

Aside from that, most of people misconceptions come from the fact that too many still refuse to shoot legs on lights...which is outright doing it wrong.

EDIT: For some maths...

Per smurfy:

5 MPL FS9-S adding 15% heat quirks = sustained DPS of 3.933
6 ERSL ACH without quirks = 4.15

Edited by Gyrok, 07 September 2015 - 03:21 PM.

[Narcissistic Martyr]

They didn't remove the fracking leg structure quirks... the one's that made the fracking things so fracking hard to fracking kill.

Sigh... why am I not surprised...

[Gas Guzzler]

Gyrok, on 07 September 2015 - 03:11 PM, said:

Not trolling...

Legitimately...this is the crux

6 SPL build was ahead in DPS because of quirks. losing 15% heat quirks kills the viability in comparison to either the FS9-A or FS9-S. To keep sustained DPS similar you have to run ERSL...period. ERMLs can get close with only 4, meaning less alpha damage, and they are still 0.4 sustained DPS behind the FS9-S MPL build.

The SPL build, as with the FS9-A, always had serious range limitations. In short, you were either knife fighting, or unable to return fire.

The ERSL build (which was the better option before in my mind anyway...), has just a bit less range than the MPL build on the FS9-S, similar alpha, and similar DPS. However, now, you are giving the FS9-S more armor, more speed, and tighter convergence with better hardpoints for side peeking and you expose less FS9 to hill hump because the ACH arms are lower than the FS9 arms and torso. This also means the FS9 is now more agile, turns tighter, twists faster and has 10 true dubs instead of 9.

So, in short...while the consensus among many was OP...the fact is, the ACH was better in only some instances than the FS9, and there were still areas where the FS9 was still outright better.

Aside from that, most of people misconceptions come from the fact that too many still refuse to shoot legs on lights...which is outright doing it wrong.

I think the Cheetah is still going to be awesome, don't even worry.

[Mcgral18]

No reason not to take the Prime LT, which is a shame. Not that it changes much.


Yet, the 57 IS+A legs remain untouched? 7.5% heat won't really affect my 5SPL build.

Edited by Mcgral18, 07 September 2015 - 05:13 PM.