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[Trev Firestorm]

OK, so the current new system of quirks has very little readily available information documentation on what some of the new quirks actually do, and there is a lack of direction/expectation for the next step. For example: are the firepower quirks coming back? Is there supposed to be a tech pass coming up as well?

Well if they really are going to take feedback this time around let's get a poll of exactly what sort of quirks we find acceptable (category/type not amount) as well as gathering suggestions for additional quirks we would like to see.

I've included any quirks/stats I could think of even if they might seem odd but for any I missed please comment.

Part 2, Distribution: http://mwomercs.com/...ibution-part-2/

Edited by Trev Firestorm, 12 September 2015 - 01:03 AM.

[Trev Firestorm]

I'm certain I missed a few possibilities but it is late, I am tired and this was a long list.

[zaku potion]

Good list, I like the quirks for hardpoints and general heat dissipation ideas.

[Dracol]

hmmm... tried to vote, but go an error. In general, I like the fact quirks related to specific equipment have been avoided. They were a good change in the past, but I am starting to like this rebalancing from the ground up removing them.

[Vashramire]

Paul said they would bring back weapon quirks after a weapons balance pass. They would be far less severe and more general than they currently are. Think current GHR-5P.

[LennStar]

I also would prefer small general quirks (like energy weapons +10%, heat sink +10%) to mechs more comparable to single weapon (MedLas +10%) quirks.
There may be mechs who need a more specific quirk, but that should be a definite exception. NARC bonus for the Raven is a good one, bc lore

Also I am against single equipment quirks (ECM, BAP, target computer) with the exception of JJs.

[Trev Firestorm]

LennStar, on 12 September 2015 - 07:29 AM, said:

I also would prefer small general quirks (like energy weapons +10%, heat sink +10%) to mechs more comparable to single weapon (MedLas +10%) quirks.
There may be mechs who need a more specific quirk, but that should be a definite exception. NARC bonus for the Raven is a good one, bc lore

Also I am against single equipment quirks (ECM, BAP, target computer) with the exception of JJs.

I entirely agree with this myself, only ultra specialized mechs or terribad mechs should be getting specific equipment/weapon quirks.

[Trev Firestorm]

So I'm guessing people just don't like this poll?

[Top Leliel]

I definitely think some sort of weapons quirks should be included. It's great that quirks are being added for information gathering, but there's a lot more differences in what quirks should be besides simple tradeoffs between hitpoints, speed and sensors. I hope PGI goes ahead and adds a lot of unique stuff to different mechs.
Please do add detectability range, seems like an important one. A very small mech would be unusually hard to detect, and a very large mech would be unusually easy.

Edited by Top Leliel, 12 September 2015 - 09:26 PM.

[Brandarr Gunnarson]

I think pretty much everything should be open to Quirking.  Choosing to disallow certain quirks is simply limiting a viable balancing mechanism.  Moreover, you can always explain a Quirk according to 'Mech design.
For example: AC range +5% because the arm is stiffer and recoils less due to 'Mech design; i.e., more kinetic energy to the slug.
For example: BAP range +5% because the radar dome is particularly conducive to the signal due to 'Mech design; i.e., nothing is blocking the signal.
Etc., etc..

Edited by Brandarr Gunnarson, 13 September 2015 - 12:33 AM.

[Top Leliel]

@Brandarr Gunnarson
I agree with this, quirks should reflect the design of the mech. It shouldn't be arbitrarily "this mech gets better sensors than this one" it should be focused on what the mechs strengths and capabilities are and what its actual design quirks are.
Examples:
Atlas:
Increased armor and structure all around(massively built, no hardpoints heavily stacked on any parts)
Reduced Heat from Autocannons and Missiles(these weapons are made intentionally visible for intimidation: this has the side effect of making them well ventilated)
Longer target retention time(the Atlas has a big roomy head, sensors are shaped and tuned to not be easily confused)
Torso weapons are more vulnerable to critical hits(drawback of high weapon visibility)
Increased detectability range(its an Atlas, hard to hide from scanners)
Raven 3L:
Increased Sensor Range (highly advanced electronics)
Increased Info Gathering Rate(same reason)
Increased Target Retention Rate(same reason)
BAP counters enemy ECM simultaneously with active ECM set to Disrupt(designed for efficient use and combination of electronic equipment)
Increased NARC range and duration(specifically tooled for tracking enemy mechs)
If these templates were to be used, the Atlas would be a lumbering titan designed partly for fear over practicality, while the Raven would be a mobile yet fragile electronics-heavy vehicle. I hope to see a wide variety of quirks, which fit the character of the individual mechs, while also helping to balance them.

Edited by Top Leliel, 13 September 2015 - 12:50 PM.

[KraftySOT]

All of them.

Soft counter.

lol