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Breaking News: Mad-Bh2 Bounty Hunter Engine Cap Officially Raised To 300


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#441 Brody319

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Posted 15 September 2015 - 12:16 PM

View PostBishop Steiner, on 15 September 2015 - 12:12 PM, said:

Quirks will also tell a lot about how each will roll out.

But in no reality was a 60 kph 75 tonner gonna compete, and a 70 kph one is certainly not even remotely OP, let alone the top tier.

Bloody. Nonsense.


3R - AC5 quirks.
5D - Energy quirks
5M - AC10 quirks
BH2 - Gauss quirks.

At least how I think they will go with quirks.

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Posted 15 September 2015 - 12:16 PM

Thank you Bishop.

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Posted 15 September 2015 - 12:16 PM

View PostBishop Steiner, on 15 September 2015 - 12:13 PM, said:

really it isn't.

Mind you, IMO, the package should be the 3 Variants, with the (S) part of the base (for 25 or 30$) then the Collectors comes with the BH2 and extra stuff, for 15$ more.

But I ain't the marketing chief here..... though I am willing to bet I could boost some sales (sales being my background)

You already boosted sales but quite a number for people like me that were all out until they made the change.

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Posted 15 September 2015 - 12:19 PM

View PostBrody319, on 15 September 2015 - 12:16 PM, said:


3R - AC5 quirks and PPC.
5D - Energy quirks/ Mobility
5M - LB-X quirks/LPL
BH2 - Gauss quirks. Possible ST Buffs

At least how I think they will go with quirks.

would be a base line for me.

View PostTrapJaw80, on 15 September 2015 - 12:16 PM, said:

Thank you Bishop.

Thank Russ for listening, and all the people who supported this thread. I'm just the guy with the bullhorn, lol. Best thanks is to be sure the people who were upset about it, actually put up, and buy it. Obviously some do have to wait for pay day, etc, but you get the meaning.

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Posted 15 September 2015 - 12:21 PM

View PostBishop Steiner, on 15 September 2015 - 10:04 AM, said:

take it as a compliment that you make such an impression just the memory of ya is enough to get a reaction. :lol:
I lol'd, ill admit it.

View PostSpiralFace, on 15 September 2015 - 10:15 AM, said:

I really think the larger issue isn't that it has a low engine cap so much that this game doesn't INCENTIVISE slower speeds.

WAY too many mechanics attached to the engine size of a mech.

I'm all for making the thing relevant in this game, but the issue with it is that it's judged on a linier scale.

The bigger win to me isn't to just cave and give it engines like everything else, but actually address the fundamental issue that low engines equipped in mechs DO NOT provide enough perks to justify their existence against the larger engines.

It should not matter that the mech is slower then other marauders. Just like it shouldn't matter that a mech that CHOOSES to place low engine caps shouldn't be unnecessarily punished for doing so.

I say use this opportunity and fix the damn engine upgrade chasing system. At least provide a reason for why a low engine cap heavy isn't a bad thing.

I certainly agree, though I'll point out as the game currently stands, with its heavily engine size influenced mechanics, a small engine cap isn't necessarily horribly bad. But in the BH2 case, they took the one variant that really needs a larger engine and gimped it. If the 3R had a lower engine cap instead, it wouldn't have been nearly as much of an issue because being more ballistics focussed, the 3R çan make better use of the increased tonnage available and suffers less from losing the heat dissipation.

View PostBishop Steiner, on 15 September 2015 - 10:18 AM, said:

if the TBR didn't do everything better, while going 29 kph faster, and packing a C-XL, I might almost agree with you.... if I could also ignore things like laughable twist and turn rates attached to smaller engines, etc.
... Or how MANY other IS mechs can do exactly the same builds but objectively better... And nobody uses those builds on those mechs, because they still suck.

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Posted 15 September 2015 - 12:21 PM

View PostBishop Steiner, on 15 September 2015 - 11:50 AM, said:

Champagne? Fireworks? Hookers? Invade the Capellan Confederation?

Hookers!

oh and that invasion... why not, we get used to it I think :ph34r:

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Posted 15 September 2015 - 12:22 PM

AAAAND........ BOUGHT

#448 Nori Silverrage

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Posted 15 September 2015 - 12:28 PM

View PostBishop Steiner, on 15 September 2015 - 11:50 AM, said:

Champagne? Fireworks? Hookers? Invade the Capellan Confederation?

Funny you mention that. Just did a few attacks on them in NBT..

Anyway, this is good news. 300 really ought to be possible on a 75t otherwise it would just be too slow.

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Posted 15 September 2015 - 12:29 PM

View PostAgent 0 Fortune, on 15 September 2015 - 12:01 PM, said:

Now can someone explain why anyone would play $5 more to get the far weaker MAD-3R(S)? especially when it is a duplicate, you already get a MAD-3R if you get the Bounty Hunter.

Seems like peer pressure blew-up their marketing strategy.
Because its an entirely different mech with totally different hardpoints? I'm still waiting for one OP build on the BH2, by the way.

It's going to be tough to mount 3 ac5's, 4ml's and an std300 on a bh2...even after the engine cap buff.

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Posted 15 September 2015 - 12:32 PM

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Posted 15 September 2015 - 12:43 PM

Bought the pack seconds after release, so i am happy the engine is (even lorewise) fixed :D. Thx.

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Posted 15 September 2015 - 12:44 PM

Power to the People! 300 Cap raise.

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Posted 15 September 2015 - 12:46 PM

View PostBishop Steiner, on 14 September 2015 - 12:10 PM, said:

Is it a deal breaker? Are you cool with it?


Dare I say "Pay 2 Win!"? :ph34r:

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Posted 15 September 2015 - 12:47 PM

View PostAgent 0 Fortune, on 15 September 2015 - 12:01 PM, said:

Now can someone explain why anyone would play $5 more to get the far weaker MAD-3R(S)? especially when it is a duplicate, you already get a MAD-3R if you get the Bounty Hunter.

Seems like peer pressure blew-up their marketing strategy.


Why would you buy this pack over a Hellbringer/Timber Wolf/Ebon Jaguar a la carte pack if all you care about is getting the best mech with a +30% c-bill boost (not that it is even close to confirmed that the hero will be the best).

Me? I look forward to the BNC-3E Lite with a +30% C-Bill boost. I will probably leave the standard variant close to stock.. Can't complain about 2 PPCs and an AC5, just upgrade to DHS and call it more or less good.

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Posted 15 September 2015 - 12:48 PM

Awesomeness. Buying it when the funds allow.

Of note. A 300 engine in a 75 ton mech means 64.8/71.3 KPH max speed. so the BH can top out at a 4/6/4 using TT movement rules. Swell. And is way better than the 225 moving at 55.1/60.6 KPH, still a 300 engine is playable at 75 tons.

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Posted 15 September 2015 - 12:49 PM

View PostBrody319, on 15 September 2015 - 12:16 PM, said:


3R - AC5 quirks.
5D - Energy quirks
5M - AC10 quirks
BH2 - Gauss quirks.

At least how I think they will go with quirks.

I feel they should drop most quirks altogether and find a different way of balancing. This quirk system only ensures that certain mechs are always picked over others.
It seems that as far as the community is concerned, weapon quirks make or break a mech. This makes me very sad and leaves a bitter taste of disappointment in my mouth when it comes to the community.

View PostTrapJaw80, on 15 September 2015 - 12:43 PM, said:

Bought the pack seconds after release, so i am happy the engine is (even lorewise) fixed :D. Thx.

If the lore says it's 300. Who am I to argue against it? It just seems that you guys are too quick to call for buffs.

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Posted 15 September 2015 - 12:53 PM

View PostMystere, on 15 September 2015 - 12:46 PM, said:


Dare I say "Pay 2 Win!"? :ph34r:

sure, people say silly, dumb and patently false things on these forums all the time. :rolleyes:

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Posted 15 September 2015 - 12:57 PM

View PostGas Guzzler, on 15 September 2015 - 12:47 PM, said:


Why would you buy this pack over a Hellbringer/Timber Wolf/Ebon Jaguar a la carte pack if all you care about is getting the best mech with a +30% c-bill boost (not that it is even close to confirmed that the hero will be the best).

Me? I look forward to the BNC-3E Lite with a +30% C-Bill boost. I will probably leave the standard variant close to stock.. Can't complain about 2 PPCs and an AC5, just upgrade to DHS and call it more or less good.


You know, depending on the torsos and hitboxes, stuffing in a XL engine for more vroom is a good idea.

But here's a build using your idea: http://mwo.smurfy-ne...d6941de81636e28

If you put in an XL, you can probably get another AC5 and more ammo on the thing. I'm liking this idea more and more.

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Posted 15 September 2015 - 12:57 PM

View PostBishop Steiner, on 15 September 2015 - 12:13 PM, said:

really it isn't.


Thats why I said "asked and answered" and quoted you lol

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Posted 15 September 2015 - 12:57 PM

Damn, they really listened. Now I feel inclined to buy one. Positive reinforcement pattern and all that. But where will I get the money from?





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