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[El Bandito]

Sure it is slow with its max 275 engine rating--which has been beaten to death in other threads, but this 75 ton mech is pretty cheaply priced in the current Marauder pack deal.

The Protector--the Orion Hero is worth 5625 MC by default. Since the MC pack needed to buy the mech--6500 MC pack--is worth $30, it is around 216,7 MC per dollar. If we divide the 5627 MC by 216.7, then the Protector is worth around 26 USD. Compared to that, same weight Bounty Hunter is $11 cheaper--and it is a brand new mech.

It will most likely be priced differently once it is in store separately, but for current deal, it is darn cheap.

*edit* As others had pointed out--the Marauder pack+Hero has more value than Orion mastery pack.

Edited by El Bandito, 15 September 2015 - 08:14 AM.

[627]

you forget that the hero costs you at least 35 dollar. There's no way to pay only 15 dollar and get a hero.

[Bishop Steiner]

627, on 15 September 2015 - 05:31 AM, said:

you forget that the hero costs you at least 35 dollar. There's no way to pay only 15 dollar and get a hero.

Irrelevant......since you need those other MADs to actually level it up. (Though interesting question...once MADs are Cbill available, what happens to the BH2?)

El Bandito, on 15 September 2015 - 05:26 AM, said:

Sure it is slow with its max 275 engine rating--which has been beaten to death in other threads, but this 75 ton mech is pretty cheaply priced in the current Marauder pack deal.

The Protector--the Orion Hero is worth 5625 MC by default. Since the MC pack needed to buy the mech--6500 MC pack--is worth $30, it is around 216,7 MC per dollar. If we divide the 5627 MC by 216.7, then the Protector is worth around 26 USD. Compared to that, same weight Bounty Hunter is $11 cheaper--and it is a brand new mech.

It will most likely be priced differently once it is in store separately, but for current deal, it is darn cheap.

Price is low because 225xl engines are cheap.

[Quicksilver Aberration]

Wut.

Considering the somewhat frequent hero sales, it really isn't that cheap, it is more expensive than the Protector when it was on sale just this weekend.

New also shouldn't have anything to do with it since prices don't decrease with age in this game.

Last but not least, $15 is still too much for a single variant, especially one that is paywalled.

[El Bandito]

Bishop Steiner, on 15 September 2015 - 05:34 AM, said:

Irrelevant......since you need those other MADs to actually level it up. (Though interesting question...once MADs are Cbill available, what happens to the BH2?)
Price is low because 225xl engines are cheap.

XL225 is still more expensive than the 300Std Protector comes with.

Edited by El Bandito, 15 September 2015 - 05:37 AM.

[627]

How can you say irrelevant... if you look at the costs now for a 75ton hero mech you have to either pay 30$ for MC pack or 35$ for the marauder pack + hero.

There's no way you get to a hero under 30$ (assuming you haven't any MC spare).

It is a whole different question what you get for the money besides the hero mech and if it is a good deal or not (imho it is).

But your starting costs are 35$ you have to spend for it.

El Bandito, on 15 September 2015 - 05:37 AM, said:

XL225 is still more expensive than the 300Std Protector comes with.

If you look at the pack, you get 2 XL300s with it. So this is indeed a good deal.

[El Bandito]

Quicksilver Kalasa, on 15 September 2015 - 05:35 AM, said:

Wut.

Considering the somewhat frequent hero sales, it really isn't that cheap, it is more expensive than the Protector when it was on sale just this weekend.

New also shouldn't have anything to do with it since prices don't decrease with age in this game.

Last but not least, $15 is still too much for a single variant, especially one that is paywalled.

Not even gonna bother with this.

627, on 15 September 2015 - 05:38 AM, said:

How can you say irrelevant... if you look at the costs now for a 75ton hero mech you have to either pay 30$ for MC pack or 35$ for the marauder pack + hero.

There's no way you get to a hero under 30$ (assuming you haven't any MC spare).

It is a whole different question what you get for the money besides the hero mech and if it is a good deal or not (imho it is).

But your starting costs are 35$ you have to spend for it.



If you look at the pack, you get 2 XL300s with it. So this is indeed a good deal.

If you are not ordering the Marauder pack, you shouldn't even be bothering with a Marauder Hero in the first place. This thread is for those who are buying the pack.

Edited by El Bandito, 15 September 2015 - 05:41 AM.

[Tarogato]

Quicksilver Kalasa, on 15 September 2015 - 05:35 AM, said:

Last but not least, $15 is still too much for a single variant, especially one that is paywalled.

Tell that to the assault Heros. $30+ for the Misery. Even just the Dragon Slayer is $30. At 50% off, that's still $15. =/

Btw, the Orion mastery pack is almost $40. You get an extra mech for the MAD pack. It's not a bad price.



Oh yeah, and if anybody wants to complain about MWO pricing, go have a look at Wargaming's Store. Those are not packages, those are single tanks. And none of the tier 8's are under $30.

Edited by Tarogato, 15 September 2015 - 05:47 AM.

[B L O O D W I T C H]

Bishop Steiner, on 15 September 2015 - 05:34 AM, said:

Irrelevant......since you need those other MADs to actually level it up.

It's far from irrelevant. 250% of the price (15$) is not irrelevant.

also, the hero marauder is behind a paywall, while the orion is not. significant difference if you ask me.

Edited by LOADED, 15 September 2015 - 05:42 AM.

[El Bandito]

LOADED, on 15 September 2015 - 05:40 AM, said:

It's far from irrelevant. 250% of the price (15$) is not irrelevant.

also, the hero marauder is behind a paywall, while the orion is not. significant difference if you ask me.

I was comparing it to the Hero Orion, which is also behind paywall. Also, 15$ is not 250% of 20 dollar pack.

Honestly, did the forums get a case of stupid, today? One no-clue poster followed by another.

Tarogato, on 15 September 2015 - 05:40 AM, said:

Tell that to the assault Heros. $30+ for the Misery. Even just the Dragon Slayer is $30. At 50% off, that's still $15. =/

Btw, the Orion mastery pack is almost $40. You get an extra mech for the MAD pack. It's not a bad price.

Correct. And only many months after the MC release, does a Hero mech get a 50% MC sale. This Bounty Hunter is gonna be here on December 1st, way before its MC release date.

Edited by El Bandito, 15 September 2015 - 05:48 AM.

[Bishop Steiner]

El Bandito, on 15 September 2015 - 05:37 AM, said:

XL225 is still more expensive than the 300Std Protector comes with.

shhhhhhhhh! technicalities!

627, on 15 September 2015 - 05:38 AM, said:

How can you say irrelevant... if you look at the costs now for a 75ton hero mech you have to either pay 30$ for MC pack or 35$ for the marauder pack + hero.

There's no way you get to a hero under 30$ (assuming you haven't any MC spare).

It is a whole different question what you get for the money besides the hero mech and if it is a good deal or not (imho it is).

But your starting costs are 35$ you have to spend for it.



If you look at the pack, you get 2 XL300s with it. So this is indeed a good deal.

Incorrect. It's 35 dollars...to preorder it. Because to qualify to preorder it, you have to preorder MADs.

We have no clue how much it will cost after general release.

Hence my point....neither you nor Bandito really have a solid basis, because we quite simply don't have that info.

[El Bandito]

Bishop Steiner, on 15 September 2015 - 05:49 AM, said:

Incorrect. It's 35 dollars...to preorder it. Because to qualify to preorder it, you have to preorder MADs.

We have no clue how much it will cost after general release.

Hence my point....neither you nor Bandito really have a solid basis, because we quite simply don't have that info.

Which is why I said in the OP that under current deal it is cheap.

[Bishop Steiner]

El Bandito, on 15 September 2015 - 05:39 AM, said:

Not even gonna bother with this.




If you are not ordering the Marauder pack, you shouldn't even be bothering with a Marauder Hero in the first place. This thread is for those who are buying the pack.

Yup.

For those buying the pack....the BH2 would be a no brainer..... if if wasn't saddled with an engine that leaves it the MWO equivalent of a parapalegic.

For anyone else, can't comment...since it's not available for general release yet..... will have to assume it will be normal Hero Price, at that point.

But if they fix that pathetic engine cap issue.....it will indeed be a no brainer. Doubly so if Russ adds the "Cha-Ching" Warhorn we've been talking about.

El Bandito, on 15 September 2015 - 05:51 AM, said:

Which is why I said in the OP that under current deal it is cheap.

what did I say about technicalities?

Keep this up and you will be going to bed without supper!

[Bishop Steiner]

LOADED, on 15 September 2015 - 05:40 AM, said:

It's far from irrelevant. 250% of the price (15$) is not irrelevant.

also, the hero marauder is behind a paywall, while the orion is not. significant difference if you ask me.

All Heroes are behind Paywalls. Try again?

This is a preorder which automatically negates your paywall argument about the base chassis. If you don't want to pay, you simply need to wait, at which point you will be able to get the MAD Hero for normal Hero Paywall Rates.

[sycocys]

Just for argument's sake -

To compare and determine "value" you must first have at least a rough idea of how many people actually bought the Protector at the full price, how many waited until it was 50% off, and how many never bought it at all -0 value- (with an additional note to factor in people that simply don't buy heroes/anything to really break it down).

At that point you can start comparing it to how many are buying this one, or at least be able to get a rough estimate of where the $15 early price matches up to the purchasable value of the Protector.

Edited by sycocys, 15 September 2015 - 06:08 AM.

[Otto Cannon]

I think the pricing is quite good overall. It's just a shame the sales stats won't reflect whether people like the pricing so much as whether they want to pay extra for a hero or collector's mech that are the worst variants. They've cost themselves a serious amount of money in trying too hard to avoid p2w accusations.

[MeiSooHaityu]

Hey, I suppose the Bounty Hunter can keep a smaller engine, but if it does, I'd like a 25kph+ MASC system installed.

Actually, with being a "bounty Hunter", I would have thought a bigger engine plus MASC might have been in the picture. Was MASC lostech at the point this guy was killing targets?

[Bishop Steiner]

Otto Cannon, on 15 September 2015 - 06:08 AM, said:

I think the pricing is quite good overall. It's just a shame the sales stats won't reflect whether people like the pricing so much as whether they want to pay extra for a hero or collector's mech that are the worst variants. They've cost themselves a serious amount of money in trying too hard to avoid p2w accusations.

trying to get Russ to see that, but apparently I'm "blackmailing" him, according to some noob on my thread.

Or..... could be a set up a Thread to express why I feel the BH2 fails, (and thus won't buy it). Whether they choose to act on it, is up to them.

MeiSooHaityu, on 15 September 2015 - 06:28 AM, said:

Hey, I suppose the Bounty Hunter can keep a smaller engine, but if it does, I'd like a 25kph+ MASC system installed.

Actually, with being a "bounty Hunter", I would have thought a bigger engine plus MASC might have been in the picture. Was MASC lostech at the point this guy was killing targets?

for the BH2, no, it was available, but the BH MAD loadout is a matter of record.

[Quicksilver Aberration]

Tarogato, on 15 September 2015 - 05:40 AM, said:

Tell that to the assault Heros. $30+ for the Misery. Even just the Dragon Slayer is $30. At 50% off, that's still $15. =/

I'm in agreement the assault heroes are outrageously priced as well.

Tarogato, on 15 September 2015 - 05:40 AM, said:

Oh yeah, and if anybody wants to complain about MWO pricing, go have a look at Wargaming's Store. Those are not packages, those are single tanks. And none of the tier 8's are under $30.

Just because one game has worse pricing does not mean MWO is ok, that is a fallacy, all it means is that it isn't AS bad as other games. That's all you can really say with that sort of comparison.

[FupDup]

Tarogato, on 15 September 2015 - 05:40 AM, said:

Oh yeah, and if anybody wants to complain about MWO pricing, go have a look at Wargaming's Store. Those are not packages, those are single tanks. And none of the tier 8's are under $30.

That page almost made me puke in my mouth.