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[LordKnightFandragon]

How about forget about the meta, buy it, drive it, shoot people in the face with it and enjoy doing so!?

To war against the meta! End its pointless, cheesy, tyrannical reign!

Cuz really, idk if there is really a mech in this game that is so bad its not worth playing, rather w/e mechs are deemed bad are just not "meta mechs" and therefore people shy away from them.

I even took a Quickdraw trial into a CW game, it wasnt that bad. Good firepower, decent armor. I kinda liked it.

Edited by LordKnightFandragon, 16 September 2015 - 04:42 AM.

[Radbane]

I want a shadowcat, on 15 September 2015 - 01:36 PM, said:

THE ARMS.

Pretty low, and main hardpoints are in arms, except the good right torso.

Still better than many mechs. There's a lot of them without any high mount at all.

[CMDR Sunset Shimmer]

I want a shadowcat, on 15 September 2015 - 01:36 PM, said:

So, I would like an honest opinion from you about how the MAD will be viable in MWO.

Ok, it's a lore icon, I'll take for sure.... still undecided if it will be for C-Bills

My doubts are in this pic:



THE ARMS.

Pretty low, and main hardpoints are in arms, except the good right torso.
Also, arms are so low that don't protect torsi at all.

I would not buy for real money a mech that I will end to use only a few times because, despite I'm a lore fun, it's a glass cannon.

King Crab: Low arms, works fine.
Cataphract: Low Arms, works fine.
Hellbringer: Low arms, Works Fine.
grasshopper: Low Arms Works Fine.

I'm seeing a trend here... I can keep going.

[Lykaon]

I want a shadowcat, on 15 September 2015 - 01:36 PM, said:

So, I would like an honest opinion from you about how the MAD will be viable in MWO.

Ok, it's a lore icon, I'll take for sure.... still undecided if it will be for C-Bills

My doubts are in this pic:



THE ARMS.

Pretty low, and main hardpoints are in arms, except the good right torso.
Also, arms are so low that don't protect torsi at all.

I would not buy for real money a mech that I will end to use only a few times because, despite I'm a lore fun, it's a glass cannon.

It appears that the only quirks we can be mostly sure of retaining after the reballance are structure and armor quirks.With these quirks the MADs can be beefed up to compensate for unfavorable geometry.

I would also point out that the dorsal (top) mounted hardpoints are HIGHLY desireable on mechs (and a primary reason why I did not buy a Blacknight due to that chassis having all hardpoints very low on the chassis)

If say you put a pair of UAC5s up there with a quartet of medium lasers for brawling I would think you would have a very potent mech for the prevelent strategy of "hidey pokey" since you would only need to poke out the top 25% to see a target and be able to fire upon it with the dorsal mounted weapons.

[bad arcade kitty]

Widowmaker1981, on 16 September 2015 - 12:23 AM, said:

I think it will be about as XL viable as a stalker, personally - long side profile with arms that literally cannot shield the side torsos at all = someone shoots you from the side, you lose a ST no questions. Thats ok if it has a narrow CT hitbox, just play it with a STD and left side shield, but i strongly suggest people forget about using XLs in MADs.

it really makes me smile that the same people who claim that stormcrow has amazing hitboxes complain when they get can get similar hitboxes on their is mechs

LordKnightFandragon, on 16 September 2015 - 04:41 AM, said:

I even took a Quickdraw trial into a CW game, it wasnt that bad. Good firepower, decent armor. I kinda liked it.

why 'even', trial quickdraw is a decent brawler

[Bishop Steiner]

Precentor Martial Jarcaddy, on 15 September 2015 - 01:39 PM, said:

I wreck face in the KGC and it's got low arms, not worried. MAD has an excellent high ballistic hard points, unless the hot boxes are wonky it's going to be a beast.

some folks need to L2B (Learn 2 Brawl)

[MeiSooHaityu]

Chados, on 16 September 2015 - 02:22 AM, said:

Ah, but the 5M has missile hardpoints. The IS Mad Cat?

Clanners won't let us IS guys have nice things without getting their grubby paws on it..I'm looking at you Marauder IIC.

[Lugh]

Bishop Steiner, on 16 September 2015 - 07:12 AM, said:

some folks need to L2B (Learn 2 Brawl)

But Bishop, they's skkeeeered.

MeiSooHaityu, on 16 September 2015 - 07:14 AM, said:

Clanners won't let us IS guys have nice things without getting their grubby paws on it..I'm looking at you Marauder IIC.

Which is an 85 ton assault....

[bad arcade kitty]

Chados, on 16 September 2015 - 02:22 AM, said:

Ah, but the 5M has missile hardpoints. The IS Mad Cat?

it even has a light version of tbr-a left torso godmode omnipod - 1 high torso energy hardpoint

[MeiSooHaityu]

Lugh, on 16 September 2015 - 07:15 AM, said:

Which is an 85 ton assault....

Very true. I actually thought the IS version was an assault too because I was really only familiar with the Marauder IIC from Mechwarrior 2.

Still, they couldn't leave a good IS mech a lone, they had to make it their own (even if it did jump up a class).

[Metus regem]

Elizander, on 16 September 2015 - 02:19 AM, said:

It just won't be as fast and will die if you blow off a side torso.

Only if you do something silly like run an XL engine....

[MeiSooHaityu]

So many "definite" statements on something we know nothing about. How do we know it isn't going to be a decent XL carrying mech?

Mauler pre-release:
The Mauler was a mech you should never run XL. "Look at those shoulders!, XL engines are a death trap!".

Mauler after launch:
Seems to damage soak in the CT more than everywhere else. "XL works good, I'd try the XL and see how it works"

Hey, I'm guilty of it too. a month ago I could have swore that the Mauler would be a terrible XL machine in early development. Now that I have played both my XL and STD equipped Maulers, I can't notice one being more vulnerable than the other. I'd upgrade at least my dual A/C10 version if I had more C-Bills.

Basically this is all specualtion at this point. I think guessing about this stuff is fun, but I don't think we should be too sure about it's performance until they are stomping on the field.

Edited by MeiSooHaityu, 16 September 2015 - 07:32 AM.

[SkyHammyr]

The only thing annoying me about the Marauder is that I do not have it yet.

[Sjorpha]

PGI has done pretty well balanced hitboxing lately, so I would expect the MAD to have that as well.

3AC5, std 300 sounds nice. High mounted dakka with full shield side.

[LordKnightFandragon]

bad arcade kitty, on 16 September 2015 - 07:07 AM, said:

why 'even', trial quickdraw is a decent brawler

Because of the notion of "dont bring Trials to CW".

I also brought the one Trial Griffin that had like a quartet of Medium lasers and SRms or something. IT was hot, it died, but it was decent to.

[0bsidion]

MeiSooHaityu, on 16 September 2015 - 07:14 AM, said:

Clanners won't let us IS guys have nice things without getting their grubby paws on it..I'm looking at you Marauder IIC.

The only MAD IIC I'd even want, (that we'd be likely to get anyway), would be the 6. The other variants are mostly just more pure laser vomit, which I'll pass on every time. Maybe if they bumped the timeline to somewhere past 3069 we could get the versions packing HAGs, that'd be cool with me.

[Gas Guzzler]

bad arcade kitty, on 16 September 2015 - 07:07 AM, said:

it really makes me smile that the same people who claim that stormcrow has amazing hitboxes complain when they get can get similar hitboxes on their is mech

Have you heard of Clan XL engines and their mechanics? That is the difference.

Stormcrow hitboxes would be pretty bad with an IS XL engine, but are fantastic with a Clan XL moving 106 and all.

[bad arcade kitty]

Gas Guzzler, on 16 September 2015 - 08:20 AM, said:

Have you heard of Clan XL engines and their mechanics? That is the difference.

Stormcrow hitboxes would be pretty bad with an IS XL engine, but are fantastic with a Clan XL moving 106 and all.

i head about std which allow you to live without both torsos

[Gas Guzzler]

bad arcade kitty, on 16 September 2015 - 07:17 AM, said:

it even has a light version of tbr-a left torso godmode omnipod - 1 high torso energy hardpoint

One high mounted energy hardpoint = zOMG OP!!

bad arcade kitty, on 16 September 2015 - 08:21 AM, said:

i head about std which allow you to live without both torsos

Are you serious right now? Tonnage is a thing you know.. STD engine mechs are either slow or can't bring the firepower.

It's a laughably bad argument when people say "Yeah Clan XL engines are cool, but you can put a STD engine in your IS mech so you don't die from side torso loss, therefore it's totally balanced."

[MeiSooHaityu]

bad arcade kitty, on 16 September 2015 - 08:21 AM, said:

i head about std which allow you to live without both torsos

I've heard of it.

If A Stormcrow could run one of those, it would move at a top speed of about 80kph, or have about 2/3rds to half the firepower. That's why a Clanner wouldn't run with a STD engine. If they were silly enough to do that, they might as well run SHS while they were at it.

Edited by MeiSooHaityu, 16 September 2015 - 08:31 AM.