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[C E Dwyer]

Raijin is a bad design all its weapons are so far above it's cockpit, you would have your CT cored before you could see a target to shoot it.

The Falconer has the exact opposite problem, it's a knuckle scraper, and we all know that low mounts are bad..

the lights are just lights, which these day's there are ones with ECM and ones without, but with fire power, no light can compete with the durrablity of the Cheater, until IS XL's don't go boom when a side torso gets popped, stealth armour, well I can't see it being anything but either OP, or under whelming, I don't think there would be a sweet spot from a gaming, balance point of view

The lancelot might bring something new as it would work like a big Jager,

The nightstar is just an over toned ebon jaguar, with IS tech, which again, might make a good ridge humper, but we have the Stalker, and the Battlemaster for that

All I'm seeing here is a list of personal choices rather than a meta pack

[Nathan Foxbane]

I'll be honest. I don't see any value in selecting 'Mechs because they favor the current meta. Doing so means missed opportunities to shift the meta in a different direction. A consistent meta is a stale and boring meta (or have we all forgotten the PPC meta days?).

[FupDup]

Nathan Foxbane, on 20 September 2015 - 12:59 PM, said:

I'll be honest. I don't see any value in selecting 'Mechs because they favor the current meta. Doing so means missed opportunities to shift the meta in a different direction. A consistent meta is a stale and boring meta (or have we all forgotten the PPC meta days?).

It's pretty hard for a single mech to change the meta all by itself. The only way that can happen is if it gets megahuge quirks, because otherwise that mech would have to inherit the existing meta.

The meta as a whole only changes when PGI decides to nerf a class of weapons into the ground, so that non-nerfed options then float to the top. Then we repeat the circle of life...

[L3mming2]

ChapeL, on 20 September 2015 - 09:32 AM, said:

http://www.sarna.net...e:Raijin_II.jpg

That would please the meta crowd. It's a pair of legs with a cockpit shoved inbetween and a gun turret on top.

i want one

[Roosterfish]

The next Mech Pack PGI does should be made up of mechs that cost them the least amount of money to put out as possible.

Then the money saved on building the Mech Pack should be spent to make new maps.

[VirtualSmitty]

KuroNyra, on 20 September 2015 - 10:59 AM, said:

Annihilator.

This. Although i imagine the reason we haven't seen it is because of power creep.

The Devastator would be nice, especially now that we can run it's loadout on a couple of different mechs already.

[CDLord HHGD]

TheArisen, on 20 September 2015 - 09:26 AM, said:

This thread is about what mechs should be in the next IS pack. It appears that Pgi is going to release the Unseen individually like they're doing with the Marauder. For this thread I'd prefer if people choose mechs based upon how good they'd (hopefully) be in MWO. Nostalgia or "it looks cool" shouldn't be the main reasons to add a mech in this case.

Mechs should be available by 3052. There's been talk of moving up the timeline but currently it's 3052.

My choices:

Light: http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Mongoose or http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Spector

Medium: http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Raijin or http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Assassin (niche filler)

Heavy: http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Penetrator or http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Falconer or http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Lancelot

Assault: http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Nightstar or http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Gunslinger

How about a "Give me my Meta-Crutch Mechs so I can be a Tryhard" pack... Oh wait....

[Piney II]

cdlord, on 20 September 2015 - 04:55 PM, said:

How about a "Give me my Meta-Crutch Mechs so I can be a Tryhard" pack... Oh wait....

Don't hold back, cd.

Tell us how you REALLY feel about meta.

[Mechwarrior Buddah]

El Bandito, on 20 September 2015 - 09:31 AM, said:

Bah, PGI should do away with packs. They are too damn expensive, and a-la-carte is a ripoff.

One mech mech packs from here on out.

[Davers]

Nathan Foxbane, on 20 September 2015 - 12:59 PM, said:

I'll be honest. I don't see any value in selecting 'Mechs because they favor the current meta. Doing so means missed opportunities to shift the meta in a different direction. A consistent meta is a stale and boring meta (or have we all forgotten the PPC meta days?).

Out of morbid curiosity, what meta-shifting mech are you running?

[Linkin]

Precentor Martial Jarcaddy, on 20 September 2015 - 03:20 PM, said:

This. Although i imagine the reason we haven't seen it is because of power creep.

The Devastator would be nice, especially now that we can run it's loadout on a couple of different mechs already.

True on the power creep. I wonder how it would work being so slow, even with its extreme firepower, with the current damage output of most mechs. I would love to see this mech, but that may be a bit much in terms of firepower, even being so slow. But I'd still love to see it, heh heh.

[TheDevilsIncarnate]

Why suggest the Falconer when you were suggesting a new IS pack? Falconer is clan made....

[SilentSooYun]

Tristan Winter, on 20 September 2015 - 10:00 AM, said:

I'd love to see what Alex can do with the Turkina and Falconer.

Can at least meet you halfway:

Spoiler

[Zordicron]

Selling mechs individually is NOT cheaper, unless you had NO INTENTION EVER of buying a chassis for real money.

Preorder an IS pack, you got what, 16 mechs for 80 bucks plus goodies?

marauder is what, 55 for 5 mechs if you bought all in with hero etc....

Honestly, I would prefer they offered both ways. Instead of ala crap, they offered each chassis individual, like Marauder for those inclined to only buy one chassis, but then also offer multi chassis packs for cheaper cost per chassis for those that wanted to buy them that way.



As for what mechpack next? Still want this:

http://mwomercs.com/...54#entry4536954

[El Bandito]

Davers, on 20 September 2015 - 11:01 AM, said:

If PGI shouldn't sell them in bundles or singly, how should they sell them?

Easy, let us have our custom packs with fixed prices. If I want Arctic Cheetah pack + Ebon Jaguar pack, I shouldn't be forced to buy the Shadow Cat pack in the middle (total of $90), or be forced to A-La-Carte them ($55 EACH!). Instead, I should be able to buy EBJ and ACH pack with a total of $60.

Or do it like how they did with the Urbie and Marauder.

Edited by El Bandito, 20 September 2015 - 09:59 PM.

[TheArisen]

Cathy, on 20 September 2015 - 11:42 AM, said:

I don't care about performance, if they look like dung on legs I won't buy them.

Nostalgia is the only point in buying mech's now, the market is swamped

The market may be swamped but most IS mechs don't even compare with clan mechs. (Worse still if clanners got the Night Gyr & Blood Asp) This is kind of insurance in case the clans get the two I mentioned plus maybe the Kodiak or Bane.

The IS needs better mechs, mechs that can compete without loads of quirks. Some quirks are fine but more than a couple mechs were resurrected thanks to big quirks.

The basic point is, we should strive for balance (yes I know)

[TheArisen]

Cathy, on 20 September 2015 - 12:35 PM, said:

Raijin is a bad design all its weapons are so far above it's cockpit, you would have your CT cored before you could see a target to shoot it.

The Falconer has the exact opposite problem, it's a knuckle scraper, and we all know that low mounts are bad..

the lights are just lights, which these day's there are ones with ECM and ones without, but with fire power, no light can compete with the durrablity of the Cheater, until IS XL's don't go boom when a side torso gets popped, stealth armour, well I can't see it being anything but either OP, or under whelming, I don't think there would be a sweet spot from a gaming, balance point of view

The lancelot might bring something new as it would work like a big Jager,

The nightstar is just an over toned ebon jaguar, with IS tech, which again, might make a good ridge humper, but we have the Stalker, and the Battlemaster for that

All I'm seeing here is a list of personal choices rather than a meta pack

I was trying to pick mechs that would be strong or filled a role.

You do know most mechs undergo a noticeable change before being brought in. Also, considering I was trying to stay at 3052, I think these mechs would be quite strong.

Obviously this is a list of mechs I think would be good. Feel free to make a list of your own

There's more than one picture of each of these mechs. For example, if you check out the Falconer's gallery section you'd see versions of it with cockpit level weapons.

The AC isn't such a big deal now that it's been nerfed.

@Devil I'm pretty sure Hans Davion wasn't a clanner.

[Rushmoar]

You won't see a true IS pack come out for a while. The next 4 mechs are planned out, starting with the Marauder. They may do other unseen mechs as well like the Longbow. We know the Cyclopes is lurking out there also.

[Khobai]

game has way too many mechs as is IMO

I would rather see ANYTHING other than more mechs at this point.

PGI really needs to come up with a new way to get people to spend money on their game....

[Davers]

El Bandito, on 20 September 2015 - 09:58 PM, said:

Easy, let us have our custom packs with fixed prices. If I want Arctic Cheetah pack + Ebon Jaguar pack, I shouldn't be forced to buy the Shadow Cat pack in the middle (total of $90), or be forced to A-La-Carte them ($55 EACH!). Instead, I should be able to buy EBJ and ACH pack with a total of $60.

Or do it like how they did with the Urbie and Marauder.

If you buy them ala carte the price per mech does go down, so not really $55 each. But Otherwise, ok.