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#81 LordKnightFandragon

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Posted 22 September 2015 - 08:02 PM

View PostBishop Steiner, on 22 September 2015 - 12:33 PM, said:

Well, ODD, is this:
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I sorta expected to be lower tier on my Clan Acct, because the Clan MetaMechs bore me. ANd I have a really bad habit of playing in a Stock Summoner Prime.....and lately a couple hundred straight matches in crappy ShadowCats.

Oddly, while my KDr is a bit lower on my Clan Acct...my W?L anbd Avg XP is significantly higher..... so I guess we can surmise that KDr is the biggest tier factor.


THat is a secksy Summoner. I wish it didnt suck so bad, or id have one. I wonder if my 13m can buy one.

#82 Darlith

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Posted 22 September 2015 - 08:08 PM

If it makes you feel any worse I'm at the same tier and around the same spot in the bar you are Lily. I know why though, I'm quite inconsistant in my performance, I will have a few awesome games, more good games, a bunch of decent games, some "crap I could have done so much better if I didn't do ???" matches, and the occasional "Derped into the enemy and did jack ****" matches.

Sometimes I'm against people that couldn't hit the broad side of a barn and make my marksmenship look professional by comparison, sometimes I'm against people that blow my right torso off as soon as a sliver of it comes into sight. It feels both right and wrong at the same time.

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Posted 22 September 2015 - 08:13 PM

View PostDarlith, on 22 September 2015 - 08:08 PM, said:

If it makes you feel any worse I'm at the same tier and around the same spot in the bar you are Lily. I know why though, I'm quite inconsistant in my performance, I will have a few awesome games, more good games, a bunch of decent games, some "crap I could have done so much better if I didn't do ???" matches, and the occasional "Derped into the enemy and did jack ****" matches.

Sometimes I'm against people that couldn't hit the broad side of a barn and make my marksmenship look professional by comparison, sometimes I'm against people that blow my right torso off as soon as a sliver of it comes into sight. It feels both right and wrong at the same time.


It depends if a player is piloting mastered mechs and if they are fully outfitted and how much practice with the mech, not to mention balance issues although balance issues isnt the deciding factor by a long shot except for some of the smaller Inner Sphere mechs that would be really tough to do good in under any circumstances.

Play the same mech for 6 months(wild but sure guess) fully outfitted and mastered and be tier 1. Boring though or what. Ping problems aside.

Play easy mode mechs and its easier of course...

Edited by Johnny Z, 22 September 2015 - 08:17 PM.


#84 KharnZor

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Posted 22 September 2015 - 08:18 PM

View PostDarth Hotz, on 22 September 2015 - 05:04 PM, said:


So...will you still continue to tell other people, criticicing the current state of balance, to "learn to play"?

So, being T3 means you're not allowed to have an opinion?
gtfo with that garbage.

#85 Bishop Steiner

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Posted 22 September 2015 - 08:20 PM

View PostLordKnightFandragon, on 22 September 2015 - 08:02 PM, said:


THat is a secksy Summoner. I wish it didnt suck so bad, or id have one. I wonder if my 13m can buy one.

even with the suckz, they are too much teh sexz not to own. Have been my favorite Heavy not called Warhammer since pretty much forever.

View PostKharnZor, on 22 September 2015 - 08:18 PM, said:

So, being T3 means you're not allowed to have an opinion?
gtfo with that garbage.

correct. Plebes. wait.. I can't tell you that...you are tier 2....so outrank my opinion or knowledge...... :P

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Posted 22 September 2015 - 08:27 PM

View PostJohnny Z, on 22 September 2015 - 08:13 PM, said:

It depends if a player is piloting mastered mechs and if they are fully outfitted and how much practice with the mech, not to mention balance issues although balance issues isnt the deciding factor by a long shot except for some of the smaller Inner Sphere mechs that would be really tough to do good in under any circumstances.

Play the same mech for 6 months(wild but sure guess) fully outfitted and mastered and be tier 1. Boring though or what. Ping problems aside.

Play easy mode mechs and its easier of course...


Yeah I play a variety of mechs, whatever looks neat, or interests me. I derp around sometimes from build to build looking for something that appeals. Some are the "Meta" mechs and builds, some are what works for me, some I know are straight up derp. But even in the good mechs, I don't get the stats that most players would call good. My overall k/d is 0.93, my best k/d is 2.38, my worst on a mech I have actually played to mastery is like 0.42. So I am all over the place and know it.

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Posted 22 September 2015 - 08:27 PM

View PostKin3ticX, on 22 September 2015 - 03:51 PM, said:


Pretty sure its winning and matchscore (which effects the variable k-factor). KDR is certainly going to be correlated somewhat with Tiers but I bet atleast someone out there can have a 1 point something KDR at tier 1.

It has been established that damage is the key to your rank. So yeah, very possible.

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Posted 22 September 2015 - 08:27 PM

View PostBishop Steiner, on 22 September 2015 - 08:20 PM, said:

even with the suckz, they are too much teh sexz not to own. Have been my favorite Heavy not called Warhammer since pretty much forever.


correct. Plebes. wait.. I can't tell you that...you are tier 2....so outrank my opinion or knowledge...... :P

So now i can tell you what i really think of the urbie?
:D :P

#89 Bishop Steiner

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Posted 22 September 2015 - 08:28 PM

View PostKharnZor, on 22 September 2015 - 08:27 PM, said:

So now i can tell you what i really think of the urbie?
:D :P

Sure, but I'll still kill you from it! ;)

#90 KharnZor

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Posted 22 September 2015 - 08:29 PM

View PostBishop Steiner, on 22 September 2015 - 08:28 PM, said:

Sure, but I'll still kill you from it! ;)

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#91 Bishop Steiner

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Posted 22 September 2015 - 08:30 PM

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Posted 22 September 2015 - 08:32 PM

View PostBishop Steiner, on 22 September 2015 - 08:30 PM, said:

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Posted 22 September 2015 - 08:33 PM

View PostDarthRevis, on 22 September 2015 - 12:10 PM, said:

I also concur that your nova is pretty smexy....I need that camo me thinks


I cant wait until i get home and am disappointed.


I have the same pattern (Crusader) with black on the main two channels. Can confirm that it looks good with every single colour I own in the last channel, running with a purple right now. And it's only 75mc for a one-shot, definitely worth it. You will not be disappointed!

Edited by aniviron, 22 September 2015 - 08:33 PM.


#94 Bishop Steiner

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Posted 22 September 2015 - 08:34 PM

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Posted 22 September 2015 - 08:35 PM

View PostBishop Steiner, on 22 September 2015 - 08:34 PM, said:

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Posted 22 September 2015 - 10:19 PM

View PostLily from animove, on 22 September 2015 - 12:02 PM, said:

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Wait, but did you stop playing for a long period right?

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Posted 22 September 2015 - 10:38 PM

I was mightily surprised to find myself in Tier 2 (and 2/3), since I'm not a good twitch-shooter and I don't run meta-mechs (I run an XL Awesome most of the time, if not I'm working on getting my Nova to do something!)

But what I have noticed is that I am pretty good at predicting what the blue and red doritos are going to do next, which is really valuable in MWO.

So I guess that compensates for my lack of skills at the pewpewdakkaddakka.

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Posted 22 September 2015 - 10:54 PM

View PostBishop Steiner, on 22 September 2015 - 08:20 PM, said:

even with the suckz, they are too much teh sexz not to own. Have been my favorite Heavy not called Warhammer since pretty much forever.


Yeah, I always kinda like the Summoner over a HBR as well, almost entirely on looks alone.

Its sad the CERPPC is so bad, LRMs are so sucky and the LBX such a joke, as well as Jump Jets lacking the Jump and the Jet parts, otherwise that mech would be pretty beefy.

CERPPC for punching people in the nose, LRMs, adding an extra dose of "fk you" to the CERPPC shot. THe JJ to vanishing into a cloud of dust after each shot and an LBX just for the lulz....

But, alas, we get a PPC that has to spread its dmg all over the place, and not render that half the time, it misses the other half due to velocity, or lack of it, the LBX has more spread then a veteran prostitutes legs and the LRMs are about as useful as....well, idk whats more useless then an LRM rack actually.

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Posted 22 September 2015 - 11:04 PM

View PostSarlic, on 22 September 2015 - 12:51 PM, said:

I see nothing wrong with that. As long you have fun, no?

I just got myself into Orions. Mini Atlas. Very fun to pilot and i don't carry 'meta'. Very though to play and my tier will probaly end up lower though. Not that i care.

But if you have a account with alot of mechs and your Tier 3/4 then i get the point Lily is making i think. Slap meta stuff in a HBR, pick a DW and shred all these greenies to pieces.

Not very pleasant for both parties as new players get shuffled in these tiers.


It would be nice if it were per mech really. I mean, I can be derping around in my Pretty Baby or I can take out my pimped out Direwhale. The results just aren't even close. :mellow:

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Posted 22 September 2015 - 11:48 PM

Guys, I'm in the exact same spot too! And would probably see myself as better than "average" as well, but unless you play your tryhard meta mechs every day and really play in groups for the most part, I don't think your SR can rise naturally just by solo queue and playing mediocre mechs (as much as we love them). Playing in group queue (before and after psr change) would give you better opportunity to either increase your win % or your rating, when playing in matches with overall higher mmr pool at stake.

As long as you're playing mostly solo, a good player will remain at mercy of the MM exactly at the middle, because that's the 50/50 good game odds that matchmaker is trying to provide for you and is also proof that MM works with a normal 1:1 win rate in a balanced mmr environment. And if you stay at this rating even with all the niche builds you sometimes play or take time leveling a Gargoyle or Black Knight, i'd say that in fact, you're doing pretty damn good.

Is it possible to raise to T2 this way? I don't think so, but if you would change focus to playing meta and groups only for a few months, that bar would surely start moving. But other than that, I think mid T3 is where I belong with my style as well. Not too happy with my "achievement" but that's the result of the effort that was put in, and I think it's fair. It's still good to know that you might be better than what your tier shows, and have the ability to pull your weight even against higher tier oponents. And as someone said, might even consider yourself in the lucky middle, because you can still shoot at noobs sometimes and get ridicolously high scores or even make viable use of lrm. Will still get your ass handed occasionally, tough. Yeah, I think that's good and fair enough.

edit: on second thought, it might be able to rise in rating a little more efficient with the new system now, because earlier we had a lot of games where we did up to 1/2 of all the team damage and kills in solo, but our rating dropping because of a loss. If the new system works, even games like that should help you stay higher. I only started playing a few days ago since the weekend event, so my tier is still mostly a guesswork from the past matches, tough I am confident that it can rise a bit if you do well even in the solo queue - that is if the system works correctly as they said, while before it really wouldn't ever be possible to go higher than T3 this way.

I think that the tier, tough this might be a bit controversial to say, represents the ammount of tryharding you do, and by that I mean the amount of group play and quality of teamwork you do (and your group), as that is the most potent factor for the outcome, meta mechs second after that. I really don't believe there are many below average players in T3 on a micro level of skill. It's the macro - teamwork, that wins most matches, and playing with a good group raises that odds more than your personal piloting skill, tough that always helps, but we can't deny the fact that it's the team positioning and decisions that win the matches. A lot of us here might be very good micro players, but until you start playing as a team regulary, the nature of the MM will just balance your matches back to the 50% where everybody else is, which should be mid T3 *if* you are a good micro player and can work with your team.

So saying that.. the tier should not be understood as your personal "piloting" skill. It is not saying "you're slightly better than a noob". There's more to that, just look at it as your solo matchmaker rating for the system, because that's what it is, it cannot be an evalution of piloting skill by any means because there's just too many factors you have no influence over as a solo player, and thus should not hurt anyone's ego.

Edited by NeoCodex, 23 September 2015 - 12:17 AM.






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