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[Repoman1]

Hello all,

i would like to ask you guys for sugesstion. I am 5 days old player and want to buy new mech. I have 15 milj and wondering if i should save for dire/timber wolf with 4 ac 20 ? Or what u guys sugesst? Nova, ebon jaguar...

I really like huge alpha and dont like that much lrm

Thx

Edited by Repoman1, 20 September 2015 - 11:26 PM.

[IraqiWalker]

4 AC 20s are too massive to be mounted on a timberwolf, and the build is actually bad on the direwolf.

What mechs have you used, and what ones did you like?

Also, what's your piloting style?

[Repoman1]

I like to snipe or brawl, but i want to have brawl tank that can over damage oponent and kill it. Most of the times i lose cose i am dead before oponent. I own yen lo wang pack since i invested that 30$ to get 30% more cpoints, wich i think is always nice to have hero to farm credits and for new guy will faster buy mechs. I must say i like large lasers but other i didnt have option to test, since trails are limited and mostly have lasers, misles. Mayby gassian (sorry for spelling dont know name) or ppc... Just some combe wich will shine. Mediums are ok, but problem is i always want ot take 1vs1 and have little armor so i die before i do damage. Is stock dire wolf good ? Mayby heavy or assault play style ?

[Peter2k]

Repoman1, on 20 September 2015 - 11:19 PM, said:

Hello all,

i would like to ask you guys for sugesstion. I am 5 days old player and want to buy new mech. I have 15 milj and wondering if i should save for dire/timber wolf with 4 ac 20 ? Or what u guys sugesst? Nova, ebon jaguar...

I really like huge alpha and dont like that much lrm

Thx

I would think you like piloting clan tech, and it seems alpha heavy mechs
the ebon jaguar is a nice mech, but timber gives you more tonnage to play with and more armor

the direwolf is slow and you might get left behind a bit much

that being said

I prefer 6 U-AC5's on my dire, one other has 4 U-AC5's and 2 U-AC2's
the last one 4 U-AC5's and medium lasers in arms

here's the thing
since you're new you probably don't know about ghost heat
the more weapons of the same type you fire at once the more you get extra heat

2 AC20 fired at the same time will generate extra heat, just because, for balance reasons (pfft)
4 at the same time will shut you down immediately



Nova, Stormcrow, Timber, and Ebon Jaguar
are good
fast enough for a beginner to make a mistake and get away with it
and you can do Alpha builds, while also trying around with whatever you might have fun with

should be a matter of price for you at the moment, 2 of those suggestions are mediums, so a bit cheaper

but then
no matter the whining on the forums and what people might say in the future (just used to be even better)
the timber is still one of the best heavy's ever
and it's the first clan mech getting a hero in a month or so

you can't go wrong with a timber, except you prefer other classes to heavy's

[Euphoric1RW]

Clan or IS? I'd go with thunder bolts, you can equip them with laser vomit or some ac's, tough good versatile mechs.

[FlipOver]

Hello Repoman1 and welcome to MW:O

I will give you a few guidelines that I hope it helps you now and in the future.

PGI is getting ready to make a pass over all mechs and possibly change the meta.

What does this actually mean? Means if you buy something now, you may get stuck with something very different in less than 15 days time.

You can buy anything you want, but be aware of the possible changes that are incoming and don't expect the mech you bough stays exactly the same.

Now, once you buy a mech, be sure you have 50% or double the money that mech costs in you account.
This is to enable you to upgrade the mech and change its loadout freely, so your first matches can give you as many c-bills as you can get.
Taking a newly bought mech wihtout changing its loadout will hurt your income and possibly your fun.

So, if you are going to buy any mech, make sure you will have enough cash to upgrade and change the loadout as you need.

This being said, just want to point out that you are part of an IS faction. Buying Clan mechs as first mechs will prevent you from playing CW unless you take IS trials or change faction to a Clan faction.

To have an idea of how you'd want to have your mech and how much it will all cost you can user the Smurphy mechlab

If I were you I'd keep collecting c-bills and wait for the quirk and meck pass before buying any mech.

Best of luck!

[Repoman1]

Thank you for welcome. Huh, but will be hero dire wolf avalible for credits or only mc ? 55$ is a bit a lot for me atm. Not that i hate yen lo wang, but only 2 med laser and ac 20...it doent really have that much dps. But 34milj to buy and to equipt the dire wolf is also A LOT for newbie. So mayby than to get a bit cheaper ? Ebon jaguar or nova. Sugestion on this 2 ?
As for clan and is, i dont know what i am .How do i pick faction ?

[IraqiWalker]

Repoman1, on 21 September 2015 - 12:35 AM, said:

Thank you for welcome. Huh, but will be hero dire wolf avalible for credits or only mc ? 55$ is a bit a lot for me atm. Not that i hate yen lo wang, but only 2 med laser and ac 20...it doent really have that much dps. But 34milj to buy and to equipt the dire wolf is also A LOT for newbie. So mayby than to get a bit cheaper ? Ebon jaguar or nova. Sugestion on this 2 ?
As for clan and is, i dont know what i am .How do i pick faction ?

A DWF should cost you no more than about 21 Million tops!

[Repoman1]

do you have any setup for dwf ? wich one i would buy prime or ?

[N0D]

Repoman1, on 21 September 2015 - 02:09 AM, said:

do you have any setup for dwf ? wich one i would buy prime or ?

This link should cover all what you'll ever need to know about Daishi/Dire Wolf builds and tactics:
http://metamechs.com...ides/dire-wolf/
My overall impression on battling against dire whales: they are slow, sluggish, somewhat brittle (depends on the build), can't really snipe from a cover, but God forbid you to actually become their target - they throw one of the heavies punches out there. And can keep DPS high for more then enough to kill anyone 1vs1 (assuming they won't miss).
They depend on team though, which means random solo pug matches are situational for them.

[Lily from animove]

Go and buy a timberwolf

its very good, and versitile. Has decent speed and firepower. Also makes a good mech to mix various playstyles and try them.

buying a direwolf will be porblematic. DWF's especially for new palyers are not that easy to play, becaue when your team abandons you (which happens a lot in the solo queue), it's getting real hard. And thats porbably not good for a new player.

[Coralld]

I cannot recommend Dire to new players, they are way too slow and have the agility of a brick in mud. Also, not sure if you are aware but Clan Omni-mechs cannot swap Engines nor can they changer their structure and armor type.
Dire also have a nasty habit of drawing a lot of attention to its self, if the enemy team sees you, you can bet you will become their primary target.

TImber is a really good mech but it suffers the same "shoot me" sindrome as the Dire.

Mechs that would be good for beginners in the Heavy category would be the Thunderbolts for the IS and Eben Jaguar for the Clan.
Thunderbolts are tough and can be very nasty. The Eben Jaguar, even though lighter then the Timber, has high mounted weapons and are much better at hill humping and sniping than the Timber. Also, Jaguars don't draw that much attention.

Edited by Coralld, 21 September 2015 - 06:36 AM.

[Torezu]

Coralld, on 21 September 2015 - 06:32 AM, said:

The Ebon Jaguar, even though lighter then the Timber, has high mounted weapons and are much better at hill humping and sniping than the Timber. Also, Jaguars don't draw that much attention.

They do. I'll shoot an EBJ over a TBR every time I see both of them. The EBJ has (almost) equal firepower, and is 10t lighter so has less armor.

[Palor]

Repoman1, on 21 September 2015 - 12:35 AM, said:

Thank you for welcome. Huh, but will be hero dire wolf avalible for credits or only mc ? 55$ is a bit a lot for me atm. Not that i hate yen lo wang, but only 2 med laser and ac 20...it doent really have that much dps. But 34milj to buy and to equipt the dire wolf is also A LOT for newbie. So mayby than to get a bit cheaper ? Ebon jaguar or nova. Sugestion on this 2 ?
As for clan and is, i dont know what i am .How do i pick faction ?

The AC/20 is a really slow, high damage weapon. I did not care for it much till I got the AC/20 cooldown mod maxed out. But for now, you should not worry about weapon mods and focus on mechs. Mods are more of advanced thing and best left till you have a pile of GXP, a few mechs and huge stockpile of C-bills.

One thing that is very handy to know, Master a mech chassis before selling anything. This requires you to have at least 3 chassis of a mech and then earn all the exp for them. The bonus' of an elited/mastered mech are really greay.

Edited by Palor, 21 September 2015 - 08:28 AM.

[xengk]

I wouldn't recommend new player to buy Assault or Light mechs as their starting mech.

Lights require expensive upgrades to make them viable, while also require a special skill set to play efficiently.
Assault are slow and lack agility, they need support from teammates and you also need to be very familiar with the map to know shortcut to the frontline, else you will either arrive late or get killed by lights along the way.

Medium and Heavy are good starting point for fresh pilot.
They relatively cheap and durable.

You like huge alpha, you can consider a stormcrow.
They are fast and tough, with different variety of weapon slot to go SRMboat, alot of LAZOR or pack a big ballistic with supporting lasers.
A stormcrow will set you back about 11mil cbills.

A Timber Wolf is very strong mech, but also among highest kill priority, most enemy will immediately turn on you on sight. Be ready for many frustrating focus fired death.
A timber Wolf will cost around 14mil to 15mil cbills.


On the Inner Sphere side, the Hunchback is a classic and newbie friendly.
They are tough due to good hitbox layout, can carry the biggest weapon in the game thus having as much fire power as a heavy mech, and still fast enough to fade from bad situation.
A hunchback cost only 3mil cbills and require very little upgrades to make them viable, since many are good right out the box.

Something a little bigger would be the Jagermech.
These walking turret can carry TWO of the biggest gun in the game.
Because of this, they are also high priority target on the battlefield.
A Jagermech will cost around 5mil, with the DD variant costing 8mil.

The Cataphract are another crowd favourite.
They have amazing staying power due to excellent hitbox and amours. A mix of ballistic slot and energy slot on most chassis, you can go for alpha built or DPS built on them.
A Cataphract cost about 6mil cbills, while the 3D variant cost 10mil due to the included XL engine.

[Kira Onime]

Peter2k, on 20 September 2015 - 11:43 PM, said:

but timber gives you more tonnage to play with and more armor

False.
Ebon Jaguar has more tonnage.

[Repoman1]

Ok, i bought DWF-W , so now i need to see what build next. How is ppc vs gauss in terms of "remove" parts of other mechs ?
mayby this one ?
http://mwo.smurfy-ne...f82c87a923fa4b0

or

http://mwo.smurfy-ne...6e657e10e6401ea

IS mayby there any better than those 2 ? like popular

[Coralld]

Repoman1, on 21 September 2015 - 12:55 PM, said:

Ok, i bought DWF-W , so now i need to see what build next. How is ppc vs gauss in terms of "remove" parts of other mechs ?
mayby this one ?
http://mwo.smurfy-ne...f82c87a923fa4b0

or

http://mwo.smurfy-ne...6e657e10e6401ea

IS mayby there any better than those 2 ? like popular

The first one is much better build compared to the second, however, your mech will be ammo starved with only 4 tons of ammo. Rule of thumb when it comes ammo dependent weapons is that you need x number of ammo per weapon. Example with your gauss here. The rule of thumb for them is that you want at least 3 tons of ammo per gauss, and sense you have 2 gauss, that means you need at least 6 tons of ammo.
You can remove some hear sinks and do some armor shaving off the head, arms, and legs.

Edited by Coralld, 22 September 2015 - 05:55 AM.

[Fulgar]

Repoman1, on 21 September 2015 - 12:55 PM, said:

Ok, i bought DWF-W , so now i need to see what build next. How is ppc vs gauss in terms of "remove" parts of other mechs ?
mayby this one ?
http://mwo.smurfy-ne...f82c87a923fa4b0

or

http://mwo.smurfy-ne...6e657e10e6401ea

IS mayby there any better than those 2 ? like popular

In the second one, I dropped all of the small lasers and upgraded the Targeting computer to a MK II. Not sure how much of an upgrade it really is....but...also I added a half ton of ammo so you have 45 shots between two guass cannons.

Fulgar

[N0D]

Repoman1, on 21 September 2015 - 12:55 PM, said:

Ok, i bought DWF-W , so now i need to see what build next. How is ppc vs gauss in terms of "remove" parts of other mechs ?
mayby this one ?
http://mwo.smurfy-ne...f82c87a923fa4b0

or

http://mwo.smurfy-ne...6e657e10e6401ea

IS mayby there any better than those 2 ? like popular

I wouldn't recommend the one with C-ER PPC's. It may look like a good sniping build in mechlab, but those two hardpoints are quite low. You won't be able to exactly peek-alpha-hide with them. The first build is better, though i'd rather put gauss on the arm: i've heard that it has tendency of exploding on receiving fire, damaging body part in the process. And dire wolf's side torsoes are big and attract more then enough fire upon them. Also, i recommend installing targeting computer in the... leg, due to just mentioned reason: they are rarely shot with such huge torsoes. Btw, don't worry about putting gauss ammo in torsoes - this is the only ammo that doesn't explode, if i'm correct.
Also, shave some armor from the legs and head, and insert additional heat sinks. You will rarely be killed due to headshot and both legs destroyed.

Edit: This is optimised version, imho.

Edited by N0D, 22 September 2015 - 01:17 AM.