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[ReXX]

Simply put, it is annoying.

I don't mind that it is default, but I do mind that I can not turn it off. I've been playing the game for a bit and I simply can not adapt to this method while going for gold. It is beyond irritating to feel like I am playing a completely different game because I'm being forced to micromanage a different control style for my mech with its awkward off center cockpit. I should not FIGHTING my mech to get it to do what I want.

This is not new player friendly. I would have given up on the tutorial and just jumped in to battle to learn how to fight if this is what I was exposed to before.

[ShinVector]

ReXX, on 22 September 2015 - 05:16 PM, said:

This is not new player friendly.

Think the only reason you are finding this 'not new player friendly' is because your an OLD player !
Real new players won't be able to tell the difference.

Edited by ShinVector, 22 September 2015 - 06:19 PM.

[DemonRaziel]

ShinVector, on 22 September 2015 - 06:19 PM, said:

Real new players won't be able to tell the difference.

Until they try to use the chat or battlegrid in match and come to a halt.

Since the decay is the default mode, most will not even know there is another mode.

[Kmieciu]

DemonRaziel, on 22 September 2015 - 10:42 PM, said:

Until they try to use the chat or battlegrid in match and come to a halt.

Since the decay is the default mode, most will not even know there is another mode.

Decay is not only easier for new players, but also lets you accelerate and decelerate more quickly.
Every good light pilot takes advantage of the decay. I've learnt to use it on every mech.
Even when I'm running a Dire Wolf, I just press "0" for cruise control and chat all I want. :-)

Battlegrid is simply bugged. It stops your mech even if you use a joystick with throttle.

Edited by Kmieciu, 27 September 2015 - 11:19 PM.

[gloowa]

Kmieciu, on 23 September 2015 - 12:12 AM, said:

Decay is not only easier for new players, but also lets you accelerate and decelerate more quickly.
Every good light pilot takes advantage of the decay. I've learnt to use it on every mech.
Even when I'm running a Dire Wolf, I just press "0" for cruise control and chat all you want. :-)

Battlegrid is simply bugged. It stops your mech even if you use a joystick with throttle.

This. The truth, simple and distilled.
You have a keypad for a reason.

[Sickening Spying Scheming Eunuch]

Anyhow, throttle decay makes new players learn bad habits, no mechwarrior who played this game for some time is using this option. It limits your movability by forcing you to hold W for the whole game, so your fingers can not easily reach weapon groups, targeting systems, reversing direction of your mech, zooming and many other functions.

Just make this optional and the problem will be gone.

Edited by KruczekIIV, 23 September 2015 - 04:55 AM.

[Kmieciu]

KruczekIIV, on 23 September 2015 - 04:54 AM, said:

Anyhow, throttle decay makes new players learn bad habits, no mechwarrior who played this game for some time is using this option. It limits your movability by forcing you to hold W for the whole game, so your fingers can not easily reach weapon groups, targeting systems, reversing direction of your mech, zooming and many other functions.

Next thing you'll tell me is that you use keyboard to fire your weapons because you have to use all 6 weapon groups on your mech ☺

[xeromynd]

KruczekIIV, on 23 September 2015 - 04:54 AM, said:

Anyhow, throttle decay makes new players learn bad habits, no mechwarrior who played this game for some time is using this option. It limits your movability by forcing you to hold W for the whole game, so your fingers can not easily reach weapon groups, targeting systems, reversing direction of your mech, zooming and many other functions.

Just make this optional and the problem will be gone.

Sorry, but you do not speak for all "mechwarriors who have played this game for some time." I use throttle decay, been playing the game for three years.
Works fine for me.

I think throttle decay is much more new-player friendly anyway.

[RockmachinE]

KruczekIIV, on 23 September 2015 - 04:54 AM, said:

Anyhow, throttle decay makes new players learn bad habits, no mechwarrior who played this game for some time is using this option. It limits your movability by forcing you to hold W for the whole game, so your fingers can not easily reach weapon groups, targeting systems, reversing direction of your mech, zooming and many other functions.

Just make this optional and the problem will be gone.

This is bad logic, I use throttle decay. It allows me to drive intuitively and quickly. All the rest of my weapon groups and other keys are bound such that I can easily access them. Why would I have to hold a button to decelarate? If I want to stop I just stop holding W instead of keeping it pressed to decelarate.

Also 0 is max throttle so I don't need to hold down the buttons.

[ShinVector]

xeromynd, on 23 September 2015 - 07:57 AM, said:

Sorry, but you do not speak for all "mechwarriors who have played this game for some time." I use throttle decay, been playing the game for three years.
Works fine for me.

I think throttle decay is much more new-player friendly anyway.

Been playing this series since MW2....
Throttle Decay > Standard Mode..

It simply should not have existed but was introduce for the COD folk. (Same issue as 3PV except this one was not nerfed in anyway.)

Lastly if I need cruise control... That's why I bind Throttle 100% to button 5.

[ShinVector]

Louis Brofist, on 23 September 2015 - 08:18 AM, said:

Why would I have to hold a button to decelarate? If I want to stop I just stop holding W instead of keeping it pressed to decelarate.

Also 0 is max throttle so I don't need to hold down the buttons.

Why ? Because this series used to be a Mech Simulator..
There are just some that don't realise that Throttle Decay is superior to standard mode.

[xeromynd]

ShinVector, on 23 September 2015 - 08:19 AM, said:

Been playing this series since MW2....
Throttle Decay > Standard Mode..

It simply should not have existed but was introduce for the COD folk. (Same issue as 3PV except this one was not nerfed in anyway.)

Lastly if I need cruise control... That's why I bind Throttle 100% to button 5.

Will not get into the discussion of 3PV. Imo, there is no reason to have a feature "not exist" if you have the option to not even use it. What we are talking about is the default setting for throttle & decay, not its existence.

More options for new players is simply not a bad thing.

That being said, and having thought about it for a bit now. It would be nice if there was a prompt that allowed the user to select which setting he/she wanted.


**EDIT** Eventually, in a perfect world, I'd hope the game would have a comprehensive set of tutorials for seperate portions of the game's learning curve.

ie.

-Movement Basics
-Advance Movement (This is where the type of throttle decay would be covered, throttle keypad, full stop, etc...)
-Weapon Basics
-Advanced Weapon
-Targeting Basics
-Advanced Targeting

Edited by xeromynd, 23 September 2015 - 08:27 AM.

[RockmachinE]

ShinVector, on 23 September 2015 - 08:23 AM, said:

Why ? Because this series used to be a Mech Simulator..
There are just some that don't realise that Throttle Decay is superior to standard mode.

I knew it. Your logic is based on principle, its idealistic not practical. You actually didn't provide any sort of argument in your post. Its not superior for the simple reason that you actively have to control the throttle without TD. With TD you just release to stop or bounce for constant speed. Try playing a light without TD, they are the most representative of why it is so useful.

The game is NOT a simulator. If you want to pretend it is and nerf yourself you're welcome. Just don't try to convince people its superior.

Edited by Louis Brofist, 23 September 2015 - 08:29 AM.

[ShinVector]

Louis Brofist, on 23 September 2015 - 08:28 AM, said:

I knew it. Your logic is based on principle, its idealistic not practical. You actually didn't provide any sort of argument in your post. Its not superior for the simple reason that you actively have to control the throttle without TD. With TD you just release to stop or bounce for constant speed. Try playing a light without TD, they are the most representative of why it is so useful.

The game is NOT a simulator. If you want to pretend it is and nerf yourself you're welcome. Just don't try to convince people its superior.

You absolute missed my point and context of my post.

Read this line very carefully "Throttle Decay is superior to standard mode."

[ShinVector]

xeromynd, on 23 September 2015 - 08:24 AM, said:

Will not get into the discussion of 3PV. Imo, there is no reason to have a feature "not exist" if you have the option to not even use it. What we are talking about is the default setting for throttle & decay, not its existence.

More options for new players is simply not a bad thing.

For new players and the COD folk certainly not.

But it comes at the price by dumbing down the game to make it joypad friendly. Simulator -----> FPS..

Min/Max folk will capitalised...
The 3PV gets disable in CW.. So it can't be used and corner peering look out tool.
Throttle Decay.. Allows for superior peaking and retreat... Standard drive cannot compare regardless the weight class.
Arm Lock... Meant new players having trouble using two crosshair... People use it increase pin point accuracy.

[DemonRaziel]

Kmieciu, on 23 September 2015 - 12:12 AM, said:

Every good light pilot takes advantage of the decay.

Disagree, but to each his own, I guess.

I've dropped mainly in Lights since I bought my first Commie and then Spidy back when it was released, and I much prefer non-decaying speed controls, but I now see there are players that prefer the decay.
Well you learn something new everyday, as they say.

[Kmieciu]

DemonRaziel, on 23 September 2015 - 12:23 PM, said:

Disagree, but to each his own, I guess.

I've dropped mainly in Lights since I bought my first Commie and then Spidy back when it was released, and I much prefer non-decaying speed controls, but I now see there are players that prefer the decay.
Well you learn something new everyday, as they say.

http://raksarmory.bl...compelling.html

Edited by Kmieciu, 23 September 2015 - 02:48 PM.

[Troutmonkey]

Arm lock also appears to be forced to on when in the academy. Hugely annoying

[GreyNovember]

Coming from a MW3 player?

Mechwarrior kind of. NEEDED Throttle decay, honestly. Arm lock makes sense as well, from a MW4 experience. MW3 was just trippy in how much freedom my arms had.

It makes far more sense to use. "I don't want to move anymore, so I'll stop using the move key. Oh hey, I stopped after a while, because my mech is big and has inertia. That makes sense."

[Troutmonkey]

GreyNovember, on 23 September 2015 - 08:25 PM, said:

Coming from a MW3 player?

Mechwarrior kind of. NEEDED Throttle decay, honestly. Arm lock makes sense as well, from a MW4 experience. MW3 was just trippy in how much freedom my arms had.

It makes far more sense to use. "I don't want to move anymore, so I'll stop using the move key. Oh hey, I stopped after a while, because my mech is big and has inertia. That makes sense."

While this is true, Arm Lock and Throttle Decay are user options. The tutorial should respect said user options. By ignoring our settings it creates confusion and must frustration - which is bad.