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#1 Tiamat of the Sea

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Posted 03 October 2015 - 11:37 AM

I look forwards to the Hammer, just like I do the Rauder.

I like the Hammer. I think the original design (loadout/equipment) is flawed in Tabletop, but still better than a lot of others, which is really what makes it for me rather than just it being one of the oldschool designs. Though that doesn't hurt.

Frankly, I'd like it even more if a few additional tweaks were allowed- not as big as you might think, either.

I could do without the torso ballistics (thanks, variants! No need for explosive machine guns here.) and would have rather had a missile rack in the CT than the RT, but those are really minor foibles. Overall, it's just a solid concept and design, with a fun, varied weapons loadout. It helps that it used one of the older Macross models that looks like an actual war machine, rather than a beflanged, delicate-looking array of way too many ancillary plates.

I don't care about meta or not meta. I like interesting 'mechs with interesting hardpoint layouts and interesting possibilities- even if they seem one-note at first, like the Black Knight.

The Warhammer has a lot of attributes like that, and I think it should be appreciated for them. It provides additional variety, another IS 70-tonner, and is just all around nice to have. How much do I like the Warhammer?

Well, one of the first 'mechs I really had at in Battletech for customization was a 'hammer. Then I redrew the result.

Breaking it down.
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Joint Redesign
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Torso Redesign
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Hips Redesign
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Final Result:
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I tried to keep it as identifiable as possible while still making it a redesign, and I did that for a reason.

There are a lot of things to like about the 'Hammer that can be kept- the funky two-toe foot, the barrel-sling arms with the extra length behind the elbow, the fat high shoulders, the very distinct side and center torso areas.

For the same reason, I really like the official redesign. It's still a stocky, sturdy-looking body, the arms are still pretty much just cannon from the elbow down, it still has that silly left-shoulder spotlight, and while the redesign is smoothed down a lot, it's done in ways that make sense.


I think anyone who really has a serious complaint about this redesign needs to take a step back and consider the Japanese version of the Warhammer.

http://www.sarna.net...e/warhammer.jpg

Seriously, I don't even. I just don't what. It could have been this...... I think 'alien' is the right adjective.


As far as the loadouts go.... the diehard 'all 'mechs must play to the same function or go die in a fire' people can take a long walk in some other direction for all I care. This thing is getting PPCs and/or large lasers in the arms and backup weaponry in the torso and I'm going to darn well have fun with it and play good games.

Pchoo pchoo PPC arms gonna getcha.

P.S.:

Bishop, you seem sad.

Here, I drew you a friend. His name is Zappy. He likes flash photography, but isn't sure if his arms are guns or cameras. Hope he cheers you up.

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#2 Bishop Steiner

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Posted 03 October 2015 - 11:40 AM

cool design, though makes me think of a little brother to a Sunder more than a Warhammer.

#3 LordKnightFandragon

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Posted 03 October 2015 - 11:41 AM

Your drawing looks like a Sunder.

And no, dont change the Whammy to that.

#4 STEF_

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Posted 03 October 2015 - 11:44 AM

Where is the Bishop's thread about the Whamy love?

I like to read stories, impressions, builds, arts about mechs.

(has it been mod or cancelled?)

#5 Tiamat of the Sea

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Posted 03 October 2015 - 11:45 AM

It degenerated into people complaining and making Bishop grumpy, and Bishop being grumpy. I think it got K-towned or something.

#6 Sarlic

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Posted 03 October 2015 - 11:47 AM

I am not sure if i want to know what happened.

If it's like finding your mum's pink vibe, trust me, then i do not want to hear the story.

Edited by Sarlic, 03 October 2015 - 11:47 AM.


#7 Bishop Steiner

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Posted 03 October 2015 - 11:48 AM

View PostSarlic, on 03 October 2015 - 11:47 AM, said:

I am not sure if i want to know what happened.

If it's like finding your mum's pink vibe, trust me, then i do not want to hear the story.

there's some pretty hot moms out there.....

#8 Juodas Varnas

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Posted 03 October 2015 - 11:49 AM

View PostSarlic, on 03 October 2015 - 11:47 AM, said:

If it's like finding your mum's pink vibe, trust me, then i do not want to hear the story.

Sounds like a pretty interesting story to me. Please go on.

#9 Bishop Steiner

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Posted 03 October 2015 - 11:53 AM

View PostJuodas Varnas, on 03 October 2015 - 11:49 AM, said:

Sounds like a pretty interesting story to me. Please go on.

reminds me of that time I was cleaning carpets at the home of this attractive older lady, and opened a door to see a ...er.... "special" saddle on the bed, with assorted other goodies spread out.

Oh my. :blush:

Edited by Bishop Steiner, 03 October 2015 - 11:54 AM.


#10 BigBenn

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Posted 03 October 2015 - 11:54 AM

The design of the Warhammer is just that. Leave it alone otherwise what would it be??? Don't move the mounts around. Leave them be.

All I ask for is the PGI give it definitive quirks for the PPC's. I'm not talking about +5 or +10%, I'm talking like +30% velocity, +20% range, and +25% on cool down. Basically, make the PPC's a force to be reckoned with otherwise it will be a dud like the Black Knight -7 (a PPC based variant). PPC's are the bread-n-butter of the Warhammer. Please don't let it be a flower child.

#11 Bishop Steiner

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Posted 03 October 2015 - 11:56 AM

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elbows...IMO the missing element is....elbows.

#12 Juodas Varnas

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Posted 03 October 2015 - 11:58 AM

View PostBishop Steiner, on 03 October 2015 - 11:56 AM, said:


elbows...IMO the missing element is....elbows.

WOW, i knew something was missing, but i couldn't put my head around it. Now it can't be unseen.
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Pun intended.

#13 Sarlic

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Posted 03 October 2015 - 12:06 PM

View PostBishop Steiner, on 03 October 2015 - 11:53 AM, said:

reminds me of that time I was cleaning carpets at the home of this attractive older lady, and opened a door to see a ...er.... "special" saddle on the bed, with assorted other goodies spread out.

Oh my. :blush:

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#14 Speedy Plysitkos

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Posted 03 October 2015 - 12:32 PM

and and.... that warhammer will photograph MY kodiak, is that correct ?

#15 Levi Porphyrogenitus

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Posted 03 October 2015 - 12:54 PM

View PostBishop Steiner, on 03 October 2015 - 11:40 AM, said:

cool design, though makes me think of a little brother to a Sunder more than a Warhammer.


Exactly this. It's a Sunder.

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Posted 03 October 2015 - 06:39 PM

just going to leave this here
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i cant unsee this.

#17 Alex Morgaine

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Posted 03 October 2015 - 07:14 PM

What happened to the arm :S

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Posted 03 October 2015 - 07:25 PM

View PostFrosty Brand, on 03 October 2015 - 07:14 PM, said:

What happened to the arm :S

I always see it as a spider or some sort of insect arm

#19 Bishop Steiner

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Posted 03 October 2015 - 07:34 PM

View PostBurktross, on 03 October 2015 - 07:25 PM, said:

I always see it as a spider or some sort of insect arm

Lasik might be recommended.

Since aside from PPC arm and similar cockpit (which..shocker, the originals had, too) you read way too much similarity into the two designs.

Both are, and always have been, heavy shouldered, no neck, recessed cockpit designs.

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Posted 03 October 2015 - 08:15 PM

View PostBishop Steiner, on 03 October 2015 - 07:34 PM, said:

Lasik might be recommended.

Since aside from PPC arm and similar cockpit (which..shocker, the originals had, too) you read way too much similarity into the two designs.

Both are, and always have been, heavy shouldered, no neck, recessed cockpit designs.

I don't know man. If I didn't know any better, I might think the two mechs are related ;)
The spider arm is just for shits and giggles.
the halo carbine relation is much more apparent





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