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[DaZur]

Fustrated your psr is dropping like a brick? Tired of getting rolled like a Cuban cigar? Sick of making minimum wage for maximum effort?

Ever stop to think your psr is normalizing and your not being punished?

Seriously, the constant complaining and grousing over your perceived disenfranchisement is getting old real quick. The absolute arrogance that your skill level can't possibly be where your psr is adjusting to is quite comical...

My psr continues to dive because I'm not very good... I'm honest with my self assessment and while it pains my ego... I appreciate that my psr is normalizing. My matches are slowly becoming more equitable. My net gains are slowly increasing. My matches are becoming more fun.

Sorry, maybe my age is showing through... Or maybe I'm easily resigned. Psr nomization sucks no doubt. Hell. I got a healthy dose of it last night. The truth is I'm pretty much receiving what I deserve.

Not pointing fingers but some folk around here need just check their egos and play the game.

Edited by DaZur, 11 October 2015 - 08:20 AM.

[Astrocanis]

I would enjoy it if my PSR "dropped like a brick". I am actively un-enjoying the debacle (IMO) this game has become and want to play with the lobotomized, friendly underhive. But T3 I am, and no matter what I do, I can't frigging drop.

[Tennex]

they never should have revealed it

[Wintersdark]

DaZur, on 11 October 2015 - 08:18 AM, said:

Fustrated your psr is dropping like a brick? Tired of getting rolled like a Cuban cigar? Sick of making minimum wage for maximum effort?

Ever stop to think your psr is normalizing and your not being punished?

Seriously, the constant complaining and grousing over your perceived disenfranchisement is getting old real quick. The absolute arrogance that your skill level can't possibly be where your psr is adjusting to is quite comical...

My psr continues to dive because I'm not very good... I'm honest with my self assessment and while it pains my ego... I appreciate that my psr is normalizing. My matches are slowly becoming more equitable. My net gains are slowly increasing. My matches are becoming more fun.

Sorry, maybe my age is showing through... Or maybe I'm easily resigned. Psr nomization sucks no doubt. Hell. I got a healthy dose of it last night. The truth is I'm pretty much receiving what I deserve.

Not pointing fingers but some folk around here need just check their egos and play the game.

Yup.

It's worth noting, as well, that for the vast majority of players, matches are more fun at lower tiers. The higher you climb, the more competitive things get. More meta builds, more top end mechs, and this means you have to roll that way too in order to compete.

Or, you can rock lower tiers, play in whatever mechs you want, and have fun. *shrugs*

Regardless, you're going to have better matches if you're ranked where you should be.

[Mechwarrior Buddah]

Astrocanis, on 11 October 2015 - 08:21 AM, said:

I would enjoy it if my PSR "dropped like a brick". I am actively un-enjoying the debacle (IMO) this game has become and want to play with the lobotomized, friendly underhive. But T3 I am, and no matter what I do, I can't frigging drop.

yay the tier that removes the point of tiers

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If i am a monster, know that the forums have made me so. - Bishop Steiner

sounds like me lol

Edited by Mechwarrior Buddah, 11 October 2015 - 08:55 AM.

[SkippyT72]

Thing that cracks me up win with 1 kill 4 assts and 250 points, PSR goes up, lose with 3 kills and 3 assts 450 points PSR goes down, thought it was all about each players skill in that drop, not the win / loss because you got grouped with players that did not play well that drop.

[Ultimax]

DaZur, on 11 October 2015 - 08:18 AM, said:

Seriously, the constant complaining and grousing over your perceived disenfranchisement is getting old real quick. The absolute arrogance that your skill level can't possibly be where your psr is adjusting to is quite comical...

This is the apt.


While I feel there a lot of improvements to be made to the PSR system, and once I reach T1 I'll have absolutely no illusion that I'm suddenly as good as guys we all know were already T1 for ages (EmP, SJR, 228th's comp sub divison, CSJ, etc) - There are a lot of bruised egos, who dislike where PSR has placed them.


You'll notice a huge swath of:

• "it's the pilot, not the mech" crowd
  
• as well as people purposefully playing against the game's innate mechanics (what they erroneously label as being "anti-meta" without realizing that the meta is just derived from game mechanics)
  
• or players who have pretty individual mindsets of how to play in a match, as opposed to team focused strategies
  
• players who play to satisfy their idea of fun - but not necessarily winning and don't actually care if they win (more losses than wins will be detrimental to your PSR, the best you can likely do is tread water, but it's more likely PSR will decrease from more losses than wins).

Things like that are going to put you into a lower tier, but as you said - those players will likely be much happier there once their PSR normalizes.






There are probably a fair bit of players who have low match counts since January - who now have to fight their way out of T4 & 3 into a tier more representative of their play ability - that's unfortunate for them, but PSR had to start somewhere.


I think it probably started from Jan, because those are matches after the main bulk of clan mechs arrived and after the qurikenings.

Edited by Ultimatum X, 11 October 2015 - 10:01 AM.

[Wintersdark]

SkippyT72, on 11 October 2015 - 09:03 AM, said:

Thing that cracks me up win with 1 kill 4 assts and 250 points, PSR goes up, lose with 3 kills and 3 assts 450 points PSR goes down, thought it was all about each players skill in that drop, not the win / loss because you got grouped with players that did not play well that drop.

kills and assists have minimal impact on match score. It's all damage.

And 450 match score on a loss will get you "=" (no change) typically, or even rating gain, depending on what exactly happened. It's pretty easy to at least break even on a loss.

[sycocys]

After re-gaining T3 (from the event debacle that gave me 60+ losses with a couple 20+ streaks) by breaking down and leveling dires so 1 T4 player couldn't have an assault mech, I've got back to leveling mechs from basic and am still climbing in T3.

When I was stuck in T4 - I was stuck because other players couldn't be bothered to even try. So many matches with entire assault lances that couldn't make 100 damage together. My frustration with it wasn't so much due to my skill level but being boned by a terrible event and stuck there because other players efforts counted more towards my score than my own.

My advice is that unless you think you truly belong in T4-5 don't go out of your way tanking your way down because getting back out (especially after all the matches you put in to get there) isn't really awesome. I was lucky and only had ~600-700 games recorded for this year so I could move around a bit more easily to grind back out, players that have many more games are going to put themselves into an elo hell if they drop down and don't belong there.

[Ultimax]

sycocys, on 11 October 2015 - 10:16 AM, said:

After re-gaining T3 (from the event debacle that gave me 60+ losses with a couple 20+ streaks) by breaking down and leveling dires so 1 T4 player couldn't have an assault mech, I've got back to leveling mechs from basic and am still climbing in T3.

When I was stuck in T4 - I was stuck because other players couldn't be bothered to even try. So many matches with entire assault lances that couldn't make 100 damage together. My frustration with it wasn't so much due to my skill level but being boned by a terrible event and stuck there because other players efforts counted more towards my score than my own.

My advice is that unless you think you truly belong in T4-5 don't go out of your way tanking your way down because getting back out (especially after all the matches you put in to get there) isn't really awesome. I was lucky and only had ~600-700 games recorded for this year so I could move around a bit more easily to grind back out, players that have many more games are going to put themselves into an elo hell if they drop down and don't belong there.

Unfortunately there seems to be a number of players that think playing against inferior opponents is good as it allows them to play whatever build no matter how bad, or because it lets them actually score high for more cbills.

[Speedy Plysitkos]

turn it off for you, and play your regular gameplay. CASE CLOSED.

[C E Dwyer]

My P.S.R isn't diving its climbing slightly.

Matches are still ROFL stomps most the time

and P.S.R still sucks as a skill indicator, as its an XP bar

Tennex, on 11 October 2015 - 08:24 AM, said:

they never should have revealed it

So true, but the stat warriors demanded it

[Kjudoon]

DaZur, on 11 October 2015 - 08:18 AM, said:

Fustrated your psr is dropping like a brick? Tired of getting rolled like a Cuban cigar? Sick of making minimum wage for maximum effort?

Ever stop to think your psr is normalizing and your not being punished?

Seriously, the constant complaining and grousing over your perceived disenfranchisement is getting old real quick. The absolute arrogance that your skill level can't possibly be where your psr is adjusting to is quite comical...

My psr continues to dive because I'm not very good... I'm honest with my self assessment and while it pains my ego... I appreciate that my psr is normalizing. My matches are slowly becoming more equitable. My net gains are slowly increasing. My matches are becoming more fun.

Sorry, maybe my age is showing through... Or maybe I'm easily resigned. Psr nomization sucks no doubt. Hell. I got a healthy dose of it last night. The truth is I'm pretty much receiving what I deserve.

Not pointing fingers but some folk around here need just check their egos and play the game.

Well, after playing with ya last nite Daz, I can tell you this: If you want your PSR to go up get the broken mechs and Clan mechs, play skirmish mode only and the explotive boating gameplay (pulse laser boating) and profit. You did very little wrong with that except having only me to back you up in the push you tried while the rest of our team evaporated in the other doorway of the PuG Zapper. I shouldn't have gotten out of that alive with how hard I was peekin and poking, but I did, and that's part of my point.



I do the exact same things this match that I've done with my Panthers, Ravens and Jenners... and lost hard. This is my non-basic "Blue Flame" Firestarter. You saw last night my "Green Flame" and they let me get away with so much crap I never could before.

So what I'm getting more and more is this: you really want the high PSR tier where all you can do is play these mechs or suffer huge losing streaks to get back to the basement where any mech is partially viable, your call. PSR isn't broken, but recognize it for what it is. It's a reinforcement method that rewards the "flaws" of the game. You want to fix this? It's easy, but you will freak out the upper 2 tiers who are protecting the system that rewards them and tick off the esports contingent that has a heavy base in PGI management.

That being said, consider PSR as a way to segregate those players who only want to play broken/clan meta deathmatch versus those of us who want to play something else. The stock mechs. The odd builds. The support mechs. The Tabletop purists.

So PSR is not really the problem, but yet, it is if you view it as a personal judgment on your ability to play.

[DaZur]

Titannium, on 11 October 2015 - 11:29 AM, said:

turn it off for you, and play your regular gameplay. CASE CLOSED.

Psr means little to me in regards to its implications.... Other than a metric of progress or regression.

Now if I could turn off the community malcontents....

[BigBucket]

+1 for "...rolled like a Cuban cigar..."

On to the subject of your PSR normalizing, I also think that folks who played primarily CW since December and have lower match counts in the regular queues may not have been as accurately seeded in their initial tier.

Edited by BigBucket, 11 October 2015 - 11:55 AM.

[Appogee]

I'm steadily climbing to Tier 1.

But when I get there, I'm going to level every crap chassis I ever bought, and tank myself down again.

Because, why not...? It's not there's any other goal to aim for.

Edited by Appogee, 11 October 2015 - 11:52 AM.

[sycocys]

Just for a reference because everyone seems so locked into this 'you must play meta grinder' thing.

I NEVER use guass rifles. Hate the charge mechanic.
Up until recently when srm hitreg went to total sht I NEVER used streaks - because putting damage where I wanted was far more important.
I do use mechs with LRMs, because sometimes its fun.
Also run A LOT and I mean A LOT of xl engines. In just about anything. Why? Because I want to that's why.

About the closest thing you can call me to running the meta grinder is that most of my mech run MPL and SRM4. Which given that nearly everyone else has double the range on me kind of negates the MPL advantage right out of the gate.

Don't run crap builds, learn to function as part of a team (follow f'n orders if someone is giving them - even if you don't agree), don't stand/stop directly in front of or behind people, and stop hiding so much - if you are hiding you aren't doing damage, find a firing lane and actually help your teammates out.

-- also my rating is always slowly climbing, despite the fact I've done nothing but level mechs (fresh mechs no less) since getting back into T3.

Edited by sycocys, 11 October 2015 - 01:02 PM.

[LordNothing]

with over 8000 games in my backlog psr will be normalizing for many many months.

they should have done a full on reset instead of stat mining from the elo days to place us.

Edited by LordNothing, 11 October 2015 - 01:11 PM.

[Narcissistic Martyr]

Ultimatum X, on 11 October 2015 - 10:24 AM, said:

Unfortunately there seems to be a number of players that think playing against inferior opponents is good as it allows them to play whatever build no matter how bad, or because it lets them actually score high for more cbills.

No we accept that combat effectiveness is a combination of mech, pilot skill, and luck. Over the long term luck averages out to be a negligible factor leaving skill and the effectiveness of the mech you drive. So, if you consistently play whatever weird build that amuses you and are a decent pilot you might end up in tier 4 or 5 while a bad pilot in a meta build might have the same rough combat effectiveness. So we end up fighting each other in a fairly balanced match up.

[Illya Ghost Bear]

Wintersdark, on 11 October 2015 - 08:41 AM, said:

Yup.

It's worth noting, as well, that for the vast majority of players, matches are more fun at lower tiers. The higher you climb, the more competitive things get. More meta builds, more top end mechs, and this means you have to roll that way too in order to compete.

Or, you can rock lower tiers, play in whatever mechs you want, and have fun. *shrugs*

Regardless, you're going to have better matches if you're ranked where you should be.

I must say, my all too brief stay in Tier 4 on this, my alt account, was definitely a lot more fun than it has been in Tier 3 on my Main, or since this acct moved into it. Had a lot more diversity available, IF I wanted to not be a detriment to the team. I'm aware we have a few MetaLords who say you can run whatever you want in Tier 1, if you are good...and maybe that's true. I know for me to maintain and represent in Tier 3 vs 1s and 2s, that shades of Meta are required.

I got no issue acknowledging the mix of getting older, having a crippled arm, and simply not having the competitive drive anymore, means I won't every ascend Mt Tryhard again. I also laugh at some of the Tier 1s who think that tier 1 actually is the same as being Elite/Comp. Given enough grinding, pretty much all the not bads will get there. So MEH.

Me? Instead of Public Tiers, Elo, etc.... just give an Opt In feature: Comp or Non Comp. That way the competitive MetaLords can have their little unsullied club, and those who are casual can (mostly) play the game for fun. Admittedly, there will be those who can't cut the Comp scene who have to come into the Casual queues to farm and re-inflate their epeens, but I would imagine the amount of such interactions would be a lot less.