17 replies to this topic

[Makenzie71]

I want a key that, when held down while firing, reverses your chain fire/group fire option. Say it's the left ALT key. If you're set to group fire on a weapon group, when you hold the left ALT key down you will chain fire that group...or vice versa.

I know several people will say you can just hit the chain/group fire button when you want to change it but you can also capitalize your proper nouns with the Caps Lock key. Can ≠ convenient.

We have several keys we can open up....this should be one.

Edited by Makenzie71, 11 October 2015 - 07:26 PM.

[Vetal]

You can order separate weapon group with the same choosen weapons and make them chain mode.

[Makenzie71]

Yeah but then you start working with the mouse ergos or having to reach awkwardly on your keyboard and then the key setup on every mech will be either somewhat different or every mech will be forced into the same style play.

[Vetal]

Man, current weapon system control is very responsive and convinient. You'll value it, i am sure. You just have to forget shooter style.

Edited by Vetal, 12 October 2015 - 04:30 AM.

[Makenzie71]

The in game mechanic isn't a problem. It's not having the set of fingers to handle switching between chain fire and group fire.

Maybe instead of telling me why the current system is perfect you can explain why having this as an option would be damaging to the game.

Edited by Makenzie71, 12 October 2015 - 04:33 AM.

[Makenzie71]

I'll add that, right now, the in game firing control may be fine...but the keyboard control is lacking. Toggling chain fire or group fire requires physically removing your hand from either the throttle/controls or from the trigger...either of which can be detrimental to your surviving a brawl.

[Makenzie71]

Further, even managing to rebind the chain/group key to something that could be reached without taking your fingers off the throttle or weapons, you can only do one group. In order to scroll to another group you have to take your hands off the triggers or the throttles. No, switching between group fire and chain fire while engaged is dangerous.

I can't help but want to know why this feature would be a bad idea. Who wouldn't benefit from it?

[Durant Carlyle]

I've been playing since August 2012, and never have I wished to have an option to change between them besides the toggle. Once I have my weapons set to chain or group, they stay that way during a match. Even on the hottest maps, it's not something I would ever use.

MW2 had a toggle, but didn't have a hold-down change. I don't remember enough of MW3 or 4 to say whether or not they had it.

[Omi_]

Let's say you're piloting an Atlas with SRMs, medium lasers and an AC-20. You have a key to group fire each weapon, but you want to be able to either chain fire the SRMs or the mediums. This would allow you to have a modifier key to accomplish that rather than a fourth and fifth weapon group.

I'm surprised at how many people here don't want the option in the game, even if they won't use it. I could get behind a key that you can hold to chain-fire a group.

[XphR]

I would make some use of this option but, even more so I want proper bucketed chain groups(like the mechwarriors of old).

[Rushin Roulette]

Hornsby, on 13 October 2015 - 11:42 PM, said:

Let's say you're piloting an Atlas with SRMs, medium lasers and an AC-20. You have a key to group fire each weapon, but you want to be able to either chain fire the SRMs or the mediums. This would allow you to have a modifier key to accomplish that rather than a fourth and fifth weapon group.

I'm surprised at how many people here don't want the option in the game, even if they won't use it. I could get behind a key that you can hold to chain-fire a group.

I understand the OP request, and personally I would not have anything against it... but I would never personally need it (just like the toggle between 1st and 3rd person view.

Most players here have a mouse with 4 or more buttons, so we just set our weapon groups and builds accordingly.

For me the build you posted would mean;
Group 1: AC20 (Left mouse button)
Group 2: ML Alpha (Right mouse button)
Group 3: SRM Alpha (front thumb button)
Group 4: ML Chain fire (back thumb button) - Use this while cooling down.

Personally I would not need a 5th weapon group to chainfire the SRMs because of hitreg with that particular weapongroup. But if I did need itm then I would set Group 3 to chainfire and just click faster if I wanted everything on one point.

When making a build for myself I also try to keep the main weapon groups to 3 or less, just because in the heat of a brawl it is dificult to keep trak of more than 2 weapon groups, ranges and aiming (Laser direct, ACs slightly ahead and Missiles quite a bit depending on distance to target).

[Karl Streiger]

Well sounds promising - it would allow me to use my TT DireWhale in MWO - currently i can't handle 8 weapon groups.
While you can switch chain/not chain with a key stroke sometimes it simple last some split seconds to long.

In most cases i would not need it anyhow

[Makenzie71]

Rushin Roulette, on 14 October 2015 - 12:39 AM, said:

When making a build for myself I also try to keep the main weapon groups to 3 or less, just because in the heat of a brawl it is dificult to keep trak of more than 2 weapon groups, ranges and aiming (Laser direct, ACs slightly ahead and Missiles quite a bit depending on distance to target).

That's what I don't understand about the "just make more weapons groups" comments. Yes my mouse technically has six buttons but three of them or not particularly natural to use...and then trying to remember which weapons group is which button can be troublesome when you actually do not use said weapon group frequently. I too try to stay to three groups or less.

I think I would use it regularly, but not frequently...but when I would use it the button would likely mean the difference between me being destroyed or not.

Edited by Makenzie71, 14 October 2015 - 02:43 AM.

[Makenzie71]

Again I liken this to a shift vs caps lock kind of thing. If you need some capitol letters sure you can reach over there and hit the caps lock...and then if you need some lower case letters you can reach over there hit the caps lock...but sometimes you need to be able to just get in a smattering of one or the other and move on and the shift key is perfect.

I want a shift key, as it were, and all we have is caps lock.

[Karl Streiger]

Makenzie71, on 14 October 2015 - 02:32 AM, said:

That's what I don't understand about the "just make more weapons groups" comments. Yes my mouse technically has six buttons but three of them or not particularly natural to use...and then trying to remember which weapons group is which button can be troublesome when you actually do not use said weapon group regularly. I too try to stay to three groups or less.

Its only a question of "repeat, repeat, repeat" - until your brain have saved the setting:
I use the mouse wheel to fire weapon groups 3 and 4 - tried several other setting but i can't work with them:

Example:
TDR-5S
: 1st LMB - Large Laser
: 2nd RMB: Machine Guns
: 3rd MWheel UP: 3xMLAS
: 4th MWheel Down: SRM2
: 5th MMB: MLAS CHAIN
: 6h Thumb: LRM15

Alternate Settings - AS7-D
: LMB: AC20
: RMB: CT MLAS
: MWHEEL UP: RA
: MWHEEL DOWN: LA
: SRM 6
: LRM 20

[Makenzie71]

Karl Streiger, on 14 October 2015 - 02:45 AM, said:

I use the mouse wheel to fire weapon groups 3 and 4 - tried several other setting but i can't work with them:

But it's only a question of "repeat, repeat, repeat" - until your brain have saved the setting, isn't it?

No, simpler controls will be far superior to just making additional weapons groups.

[Rattazustra]

Excellent idea. I'd use it all the time and it would greatly reduce the number of fire groups I need, because now I have to work around that issue by putting the same weapons into multiple fire groups.

I'd love to have such a button option and I already know what button I would re-map it to.

Such things are perfect, because they give expert players something to toy with where mastering the use of it can give an actual edge through actual skill, while it doesn't bother everyone else. At the same time it doesn't change any of the fundamental game mechanics and it encourages the use of in-game mechanisms over the use of external script-managers.

Edited by Rattazustra, 14 October 2015 - 06:49 AM.

[Makenzie71]

Would anyone else care to weigh in?